Unwanted foreigners -or simply underfunded?

[Enoon]

On 11/4/2018 at 4:55 PM, thequietman said:

So, tell me what burden the foreigner is to the Thai's?

 

 

 

The burden?

 

You are foreign and you are here.

 

That is enough for the xenophobes who want rid of foreign immigrants in the West.

 

Why should Thailand be different?

 

And you and plenty more make comments like this:

 

"Great country ......... just needs a population transplant. ????"

 

Typical neo-colonialspeak.

 

That attitude is recognised and felt by many Thai people.

 

It makes things so much easier for Suthep and his kind.

 

Oh sorry, I forgot, we're mostly white and not of those "heathen" religions.

 

We're special, how can they possibly do without us?

 

The 21st century will be the one in which the self entitled Westerner came down to earth with a bump.

 

 

 

 

[gamini]

On 11/4/2018 at 3:14 PM, Scouse123 said:

 

Well, there most certainly is, otherwise, the Embassies would not have stated that they could no longer issue the letters as they did not comply with what Thai immigration requires them to do.

 

But the main point of this is not about that, it is about the fact that when there is a slight currency fluctuation many start a tirade of being unwanted, moving to other places,  etc.

 

You shouldn't be having to contemplate moving if the price of a bowl of noodles or breakfast cereal increases, it's normal for things to move up with inflation in every economy. It can only mean, they got their budgets and living expenses wrong and didn't allow for currency fluctuations and inflation.

I think the Thai immigration got wise to the fact that many foreigners were getting letters from embassies without having to show proof that they did actually have the income.

But I can't understand what all the fuss you are making. The majority of retirees are not affected . most would have sufficient funds to comply with the immigration regulations . Also in spite of everything it is far easier and cheaper to  retire to Thailand than it is in most other countries. You don't even have to pay tax if you retire here. Thailand wants genuine retirees who can contribute something to the economy. Hence the 800 K bank deposit. It is not unreasonable. 

 

Edited November 6, 2018 by gamini

[CALSinCM]

On 11/4/2018 at 2:59 PM, sirineou said:

 Though I appreciate the effort, I don't see why we need another thread to state an opinion  that could had just as easily being expressed in one of the existing threads.

 

Put another way, this poor horse has done been beat to death.

[dotpoom]

On 11/4/2018 at 2:37 PM, Scouse123 said:

The uproar and subsequent debate surrounding the change of policy by Thai immigration regarding proof of pe nsion letters,

I thought it was a change in policy by the Embassy's...not by the Thai immigration?

[NoshowJones]

On 11/4/2018 at 11:11 PM, swissie said:

Yep! No matter how I slice it, at a certain age, Health Coverage can easily cost US$ 400 per month. Should this become mandatory in combination with stiffer requirements Immigration-wise, this could be the final financial nail in the coffin of half of all the Farangs living here.

- An astonishing number of Farangs must be living on a "budget" in Thailand. How else could it be, that recent Visa-Issues have produced THOUSANDS of posts, instead of just shrugging it off and park those 800'000 Bht in a Thai Bank and go on with their (Thai) lives?

Never in my living memory have there been so many uncertainities hanging over the heads of resident Farangs. To have a plan "B" is not only recommendable, it is a must.

By plan "B" I am not referring to the future use of "Visa-Agencies". If "Big Joke" goes after the Visa-Mills with the same vigor as he has displayed by going after Overstayers/Undesirables, the Visa-Agencies would not make for a good plan "B".
Cheers.

If the top brass in Thailand, the government, immigration, or any other authority, find their income stream going down because of Big Jokes policies, like coming down on the Visa Agencies, and the brown envelopes start to dwindle all because of one guy, do you really think the top brass in any authority is going to stand by and allow it?

[Kalasin Jo]

On 11/4/2018 at 10:34 AM, worgeordie said:

The shit will hit the really hit the fan,if the Government decides

to uplift the requirements as regards having money in the bank,

to say 1 Million married,1.5 Retired (I have never understood how

if your married,wife to look after,maybe kids) its 400,00,but if

single and retired its 800,000 THB, more of that Thai logic.

getting back to when /if they lift the requirements,another 20 % ?

packing their bags,booking flights ?, leaving on a jet plane.

 

regards worgeordie

 

I didn't get the logic either, but there is the not so serious fact that if you eat Thai at home it is perfectly possible for two people to eat well on less than 120 baht a day. More seriously, and as I have, if you bought or built a house then you and your (extended?) family are living rent free.

[zzaa09]

1 hour ago, Enoon said:

 

The burden?

 

You are foreign and you are here.

 

That is enough for the xenophobes who want rid of foreign immigrants in the West.

 

Why should Thailand be different?

 

And you and plenty more make comments like this:

 

"Great country ......... just needs a population transplant. ????"

 

Typical neo-colonialspeak.

 

That attitude is recognised and felt by many Thai people.

 

It makes things so much easier for Suthep and his kind.

 

Oh sorry, I forgot, we're mostly white and not of those "heathen" religions.

 

We're special, how can they possibly do without us?

 

The 21st century will be the one in which the self entitled Westerner came down to earth with a bump.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Soundly put.

Though, don't think you're gonna gain any favour within this hardwired Eurocentric bunch. 

 

Disconnected dispositions are extremely difficult to modify. 

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, atyclb said:

a thai female friend with a high level job for a japanese multinational company also feels things changing. she thinks the government is trying to clean up the country of illegals, and criminal types, but in the process many normal decent people are being hassled to no end.    

 

personally i think owning a condo (regardless of price or when purchased) is suffient reason to be granted a visa to be able to live in the condo you bought.

Agree with you on that, owning a condo (unfortunately can't own house/land) but owning real estate AND LIVING IN should be a sufficient reason to grant an yearly visa, it shows a person's commitment willingness to stay/invest and live in the country

 

 

[digger70]

On 11/4/2018 at 4:34 PM, worgeordie said:

The shit will hit the really hit the fan,if the Government decides

to uplift the requirements as regards having money in the bank,

to say 1 Million married,1.5 Retired (I have never understood how

if your married,wife to look after,maybe kids) its 400,00,but if

single and retired its 800,000 THB, more of that Thai logic.

getting back to when /if they lift the requirements,another 20 % ?

packing their bags,booking flights ?, leaving on a jet plane.

 

regards worgeordie

 

Yea plain f stupid in my opinion, it should be the other way around shouldn't it, like you said must be Thai logic ,,,, that's the thing nobody understand,,, but hey what can one do about it ,sfa.

[Media1]

Rubbish post. I will.be still getting a embassy letter. I can prove my funds online. Thai immigatation/Army are temporary until election lol. I loved the global.amash hit rap song to. There Chinese baby dream will be just that soon. BACK to barracks boys. 

[GreasyFingers]

7 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Agree with you on that, owning a condo (unfortunately can't own house/land) but owning real estate AND LIVING IN should be a sufficient reason to grant an yearly visa, it shows a person's commitment willingness to stay/invest and live in the country

 

 

Agree with you but what about the bad guys. It would be too easy for them to buy a condo.

[HHTel]

On 11/4/2018 at 7:59 PM, Lacessit said:

The average Thai IQ is 80. Fairly low on the intelligence totem pole.

On the other hand, their social cohesion and family dedication is probably top of the tree.

It is what it is.

The average IQ of Thailand is 91 on the world rankings

Singapore has the highest followed by South Korea and Japan before getting to some European countries.

 

This may be interesting when looking at the children in this country:

 

Quote

By region, children in Bangkok demonstrated the highest average IQ at 103.4, while lowest averages were in the Northeast and South, possibly because of malnutrition during pregnancies. By background, they were from poor families and lived in remote areas. Children in 42 provinces had IQ scores higher than the international criteria. The average IQ of children living in towns was 101.5, which is significantly higher than the average IQ of children living in rural areas – 96.9.

 

[LukKrueng]

For some reasons most posters in this and all similar threads ignore or refuse the accept 1 very simple fact. Thailand is not and never has been a migration country. Unlike the USA, Canada, Australia, NZ and probably some other countries that were actually created by migrants, Thailand and most Asian countries are still based on the core population from centuries ago. Thailand like Japan and probably other Asian countries want to keep it this way, and although yielding to situations such as locals marrying foreigners, or economic/business globalization and thus allowing foreigners to live here - they don't want to nor intend to become a migration country like many European countries became and came to regret it due to (unfavorable) demographic changes.

 

So they made rules by which foreign people can come to live here, and they make the rules so the country benefit from it. If for any reason one cannot comply with the conditions set - Thailand is not interested in the presence of that person. It is not impossible to become a Thai citizen, it is just very difficult.  

 

On a similar note - there are many threads here on TVF about the many obstacles the UK put in place for a UK citizen who wants to get his/her spouse to live in the UK

[Media1]

Who ever wrote this baloney is no expert on army philosophy that's for sure. LOL..I are married and hate everything they stand for and so do the rest of the country. Game Over for the space cowboys 

[Mavideol]

4 minutes ago, GreasyFingers said:

Agree with you but what about the bad guys. It would be too easy for them to buy a condo.

I am sure they can work on the details and pros and cons, bad guys will always find their way around with 400K or 800K or something else, I am concerned about the legal/good  ones

[AGareth2]

14 minutes ago, Media1 said:

Who ever wrote this baloney is no expert on army philosophy that's for sure. LOL..I are married and hate everything they stand for and so do the rest of the country. Game Over for the space cowboys 

sadly there is a small percentage that don't agree with you

[Antonymous]

37 minutes ago, HHTel said:

The average IQ of Thailand is 91 on the world rankings

Singapore has the highest followed by South Korea and Japan before getting to some European countries.

 

This may be interesting when looking at the children in this country:

 

 

Can you (or anyone) indicate where Thai people can take an international standard IQ test that is in Thai language please?

 

[biggles45]

"make up these days in 2018 only a very small fraction in the grand scheme of things regards the Thai economy."

 

They don't care about falang residents, they have 11 million chinese and millions of Indians/Russians tourists bringing in the money. They are always blinded by big numbers. 

[Wake Up]

If you have enough money to live a nice life and health insurance this is a great place to live. If you don’t it sucks and no country wants you including Thailand and your home country. 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

Agree with you on that, owning a condo (unfortunately can't own house/land) but owning real estate AND LIVING IN should be a sufficient reason to grant an yearly visa, it shows a person's commitment willingness to stay/invest and live in the country

 

 

Unfortunately, IMHO you are dreaming. Not going to happen.

[The Deerhunter]

On 11/4/2018 at 5:07 PM, Brunolem said:

Don't you think it could be the other way round?

 

That the obstacles created by the embassies of some countries are not there to please the Thai authorities, but rather the authorities of said countries?

 

I don't know about the specific cases of the concerned countries, but there are quite a few governments who are not too happy seeing more and more of their citizens taking and spending their retirement pensions abroad.

 

The issue is likely to become even more sensitive with the massive financing problems faced by pension funds in the West, problems which are growing by the day.

 

Besides, the more the number of foreigners deciding to retire in Thailand increase, the more the retirees contribute to strengthen the baht thanks to their constant money transfers.

 

But right at the time of life that these people are most at likelihood of needing more and more medical services they have left their home country and are paying for it overseas. They also do not occupy a house, drive on the roads, use electricity or imported fuel or any special senior services in their home country.  Many countries could cost it out that it is better for them to have us overseas.  They should raise your pension if you move overseas!!!

[sfokevin]

I’m late to this thread but I would say this change was also pushed by Thai Immigration as they see a future wave of Chinese armed with a Income Affidavit from the Chinese Embassy wanting to come “retire” here...

[The Deerhunter]

6 minutes ago, Wake Up said:

If you have enough money to live a nice life and health insurance this is a great place to live. If you don’t it sucks and no country wants you including Thailand and your home country. 

And many people do not realise that health insurance gets harder to keep after you are between 65 & 80 depending on your insurance company.  Some of the big international companies will cut you off at 65 even if you have had health insurance with them for 30 years. 

[Lacessit]

I suppose I could pull up roots and go to the Philippines instead. However, I'm a long way off that and can still meet the requirements reasonably easily. If the 800K was doubled to 1.6 M, that could push me over the edge. However, I think that's very unlikely.

[The Deerhunter]

Dont lose sight of the fact that it is the home embassies that have changed the rules here, not The Thai Immigration.  As I posted on a different thread on this topic, you have to wonder that the embassies got brassed off with so many fairly obviously down a heel folk possibly lying every year on their affidavit and it being too difficult to confirm their income, particularly if it comes from rent (turnover or net profit)?  Or annual dividends on share portfolios or other irregular but possibly genuine incomes.  Then some of these people, perhaps a few month later sometimes crying for Embassy assistance for something.  Does every embassy or consulate have to have a forensic accountant on hand to critique these peoples' accounts??

Edited November 6, 2018 by The Deerhunter

[Media1]

1 hour ago, AGareth2 said:

sadly there is a small percentage that don't agree with you

Who cares the army don't like or want farang. I don't give a toss what they like. It will not effect me and they will not last. Immigration will be reshuffled along with the racist stance. Hopefully some new jails built to home some VIPS

[Media1]

On 11/4/2018 at 4:34 PM, worgeordie said:

The shit will hit the really hit the fan,if the Government decides

to uplift the requirements as regards having money in the bank,

to say 1 Million married,1.5 Retired (I have never understood how

if your married,wife to look after,maybe kids) its 400,00,but if

single and retired its 800,000 THB, more of that Thai logic.

getting back to when /if they lift the requirements,another 20 % ?

packing their bags,booking flights ?, leaving on a jet plane.

 

regards worgeordie

 

LOL

[The Deerhunter]

2 minutes ago, Media1 said:

Who cares the army don't like or want farang. I don't give a toss what they like. It will not effect me and they will not last. Immigration will be reshuffled along with the racist stance. Hopefully some new jails built to home some VIPS

And then you woke up and discovered it was all a dream and nothing changed.

[Media1]

On 11/4/2018 at 7:54 PM, Lacessit said:

A valid point. Governments generally don't like their citizens escaping from their control. Of course, if said governments had not screwed up the retirements of their citizens by their inaction before, during and after the GFC, they would not be seeing many of their citizens fleeing to places like Thailand.

Fleeing pleaae give us a rest

[Media1]

2 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

And then you woke up and discovered it was all a dream and nothing changed.

You can think as you wish.

Edited November 6, 2018 by Media1