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[snoop1130]

Saudi Arabia seeks death penalty in Khashoggi murder case

By Stephen Kalin

 

FILE PHOTO: A demonstrator holds a poster with a picture of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi outside the Saudi Arabia consulate in Istanbul, Turkey October 25, 2018. REUTERS/Osman Orsal

 

RIYADH (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is seeking the death penalty for five out of 11 suspects charged in the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, his office said on Thursday, as the kingdom tries to overcome its biggest political crisis in a generation.

 

Khashoggi, a royal insider turned critic of Saudi policy, was killed in the country's Istanbul consulate on Oct. 2, after a struggle, by a lethal injection dose, deputy public prosecutor and spokesman Shalaan al-Shalaan told reporters.

 

His body was dismembered, removed from the building and handed over to a "local cooperator", whose identity has not been confirmed, he added. The whereabouts of Khashoggi's remains are unknown.

 

Shalaan said the Washington Post columnist was murdered after "negotiations" for his return to the kingdom failed and that the killing was ordered by the head of a negotiating team sent to repatriate Khashoggi after he decided it was unfeasible to remove him from the consulate.

 

Shalaan said the order to repatriate Khashoggi had come from former deputy intelligence chief General Ahmed al-Asiri, who was sacked last month following an initial investigation.

 

Asked if Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman played a role in the murder, he said: "He did not have any knowledge."

 

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan has said the order for the operation came from the highest level of Saudi leadership but probably not King Salman, putting the spotlight instead on his 33-year-old heir Prince Mohammed.

 

U.S. President Donald Trump has suggested ultimate responsibility lies with the prince as de facto ruler.

 

Riyadh initially denied any knowledge of Khashoggi's disappearance, then offered contradictory explanations including that he was killed in a rogue operation. The case has sparked a global outcry, opened the kingdom to possible sanctions and tarnished the image of Prince Mohammed.

 

Some details provided on Thursday again contradicted previous versions, none of which mentioned a drug-induced death and one of which called the killing premeditated based on information provided by Turkish authorities.

 

DEATH PENALTY

 

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said that the measures announced by the Saudi public prosecutor's office were "positive but insufficient", and repeated Ankara's demand that the 15-man team be tried in Turkey.

 

"The Public Prosecutor has requested the death penalty for five individuals who are charged with ordering and committing the crime and for the appropriate sentences for the other indicted individuals," Shalaan said, without naming them.

 

He said 11 out of 21 suspects have been indicted and will be referred to court, while investigations with the remaining suspects will continue to determine their role in the crime.

 

A travel ban has been imposed on a former top aide to the crown prince, Saud al-Qahtani, while investigations continue over his role, Shalaan said.

 

He said Qahtani had coordinated with Asiri, meeting the operatives ahead of their journey to Istanbul to brief them on the journalist's activities.

 

Qahtani has already been fired from the royal court, but four sources based in the Gulf told Reuters this week that he was still at liberty and continued to operate discreetly.

 

A senior government official previously identified the head of the negotiating team as Maher Mutreb, an aide to Qahtani who has appeared in photographs with Prince Mohammed on official visits this year to the United States and Europe.

 

Six weeks after the murder, Turkey is trying to keep up pressure on Prince Mohammed and has released a stream of evidence that undermined Riyadh's early denials of involvement.

 

Turkey says it has recordings related to the killing which it has shared with Western allies. Erdogan said the recordings are "appalling" and shocked a Saudi intelligence officer who listened to them, Turkish media has reported.

 

Last month two intelligence sources said that Qahtani gave orders over Skype to Khashoggi's killers. More recently, a government source familiar with the matter said Qahtani featured prominently throughout the recordings.

 

Shalaan declined to confirm or deny whether Saudi authorities heard the recordings. He said Riyadh asked Ankara to share witness testimonies and hand over Khashoggi's phones.

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-11-15

[Basil B]

One way to shut them up...

[Emster23]

Pawn sacrifice to protect the rook

[Srikcir]

1 hour ago, Emster23 said:

Pawn sacrifice to protect the rook

Chess is forbidden in Islam.

So maybe a sacrifice of one of MBS's 'sheep' to save his crown.

[pegman]

What a joke. Any country that accepts this is also a joke. Looking at you Trump!

[ReMarKable]

So what is the motive for the killing by these "rogue" agents. Because Mohammed was pissed?

[Bluespunk]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Saudi Arabia's public prosecutor is seeking the death penalty for five out of 11 suspects charged in the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi,

Such is the fate of those sacrificed to protect their masters. 

 

And substantial arms deals of course...

Edited November 16, 2018 by Bluespunk

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Chess is forbidden in Islam.

So maybe a sacrifice of one of MBS's 'sheep' to save his crown.

Chess is not forbidden in Islam, gambling on the outcome of games is, not the game itself. 

[Basil B]

Was this the first time the Saudis have done this???

 

I would suspect this was not the first time, so why is there no claims of other people going missing?

[Emster23]

3 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Chess is forbidden in Islam.

So maybe a sacrifice of one of MBS's 'sheep' to save his crown.

 Decades ago I thought I read that "check mate" came from "Shah (like in Iran) mat"... the king is dead. Never looked it up, but...

Maybe this is part of Rosencranz and Guildersteen are dead" reboot Saudi style (excuse me if I don't correctly spell those two Shakespeare characters)

[Grouse]

Saudi seeks the death penalty for everything including farting in the king's general direction!

[Small Joke]

So you send your best operatives (bloody amateur hour, compared to Mossad, but I digress) to 'waste' some unlucky dissident, the world reacts, and you then execute your chaps, which you'll have to prove, to try and get some cred back.

There are no words in the complex and rich English language, to even begin to describe my contempt for these clowns. 

[Srikcir]

3 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Chess is not forbidden in Islam, gambling on the outcome of games is, not the game itself. 

It is.

Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti Abdulaziz al-Sheikh ruled that chess is forbidden in Islam, saying

chess was “included under gambling” and was “a waste of time and money and a cause for hatred and enmity between players”.

Sheikh justified the ruling by referring to the verse in the Qur’an banning “intoxicants, gambling, idolatry and divination”.  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/21/chess-forbidden-in-islam-rules-saudi-arabia-grand-muf

What's your source?

 

 

 

[Bluespunk]

16 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

It is.

Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti Abdulaziz al-Sheikh ruled that chess is forbidden in Islam, saying

chess was “included under gambling” and was “a waste of time and money and a cause for hatred and enmity between players”.

Sheikh justified the ruling by referring to the verse in the Qur’an banning “intoxicants, gambling, idolatry and divination”.  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/21/chess-forbidden-in-islam-rules-saudi-arabia-grand-muf

What's your source?

My source...how about this...

 

 

The article you quote goes on to further explain it is not forbidden.

 

 

"After the 1979 Islamic revolution, playing chess was banned in public in Iran and declared haram, or forbidden, by senior clerics because it was associated with gambling. But in 1988, Iran’s then supreme leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, lifted the ban and said it was permissible as long as it was not a means of gambling. Iran now has an active confederation for playing chess and sends players to international games."

 

Also I have lived and worked in Saudi Arabia, chess was played and sets were openly available for purchase...

 

 

[spidermike007]

Most everyone knows where the command to kill Jamal came from. But nobody wants to really discuss it. It does appear MBS is above any and all laws and completely untouchable. Too rich, too powerful, too influential. 

 

Many of us are at least taking satisfaction that he has been “outed” and the world now knows who and what he really is. The amount of prestige and gravitas he has lost is incalculable. He will be forever tainted by his foibles and ruthlessness. A reformer he is not!

[Srikcir]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Most everyone knows where the command to kill Jamal came from.

The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul, the Washington Post reports

https://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/jamal-khashoggi-mourned-at-prayer-services/news-story/466ba79c0f4f8c0783b10a491efe994b

Think this makes a difference to Trump - who previously wondered whether it was possible to assassinate Venezuela President Maduro?

[Langsuan Man]

22 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul, the Washington Post reports

https://www.news.com.au/world/breaking-news/jamal-khashoggi-mourned-at-prayer-services/news-story/466ba79c0f4f8c0783b10a491efe994b

Think this makes a difference to Trump - who previously wondered whether it was possible to assassinate Venezuela President Maduro?

The only difference to Trunp would be that under him it wouldn't be the worst cover up  ever since he is also the master of cover ups;  It's scary the number of skills the man has..... 

 

[Credo]

Hmmmm does this mean the Crown Prince may get the death penalty:

 

CIA concludes Saudi crown prince ordered Jamal Khashoggi’s assassination

The CIA has concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the assassination of journalist Jamal Khashoggi in Istanbul last month, contradicting the Saudi government’s claims that he was not involved in the killing, according to people familiar with the matter.

 

The CIA’s assessment, in which officials have said they have high confidence, is the most definitive to date linking Mohammed to the operation and complicates the Trump administration’s efforts to preserve its relationship with a close ally.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/cia-concludes-saudi-crown-prince-ordered-jamal-khashoggi-s-assassination/ar-BBPNdey?ocid=ob-fb-enus-280&fbclid=IwAR2fOGBUKToNI_K0K_i5osMS-D2Wl1IFNss8zfMeHcN-4Xwlf6bEXqYiP0k

[Srikcir]

36 minutes ago, Credo said:

does this mean the Crown Prince may get the death penalty

I expect:

Under Saudi Arabia's Sharia Law - yes.

Under Saudi Arabia civil law - unlikely, especially since the Crown put the Prince in charge of the investigation and the Prince has assured there will be death penalties for participants that most assuredly not include himself.

That conflict is a potential dilemma for the Saudi Arabia Crown that has always maintained that it (ie., vs Turkey) is the supreme protector of Islam.

 

[ballpoint]

16 hours ago, Srikcir said:

It is.

Saudi Arabia’s grand mufti Abdulaziz al-Sheikh ruled that chess is forbidden in Islam, saying

chess was “included under gambling” and was “a waste of time and money and a cause for hatred and enmity between players”.

Sheikh justified the ruling by referring to the verse in the Qur’an banning “intoxicants, gambling, idolatry and divination”.  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jan/21/chess-forbidden-in-islam-rules-saudi-arabia-grand-muf

What's your source?

 

 

 

 

 

 

They play a modified version, where bishops are banned and the most powerful piece is the Crown Prince.

[bert bloggs]

16 hours ago, Small Joke said:

So you send your best operatives (bloody amateur hour, compared to Mossad, but I digress) to 'waste' some unlucky dissident, the world reacts, and you then execute your chaps, which you'll have to prove, to try and get some cred back.

There are no words in the complex and rich English language, to even begin to describe my contempt for these clowns. 

there is a word we all know what the word is but cant say it .

[Small Joke]

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Most everyone knows where the command to kill Jamal came from. But nobody wants to really discuss it. It does appear MBS is above any and all laws and completely untouchable. Too rich, too powerful, too influential. 

 

Many of us are at least taking satisfaction that he has been “outed” and the world now knows who and what he really is. The amount of prestige and gravitas he has lost is incalculable. He will be forever tainted by his foibles and ruthlessness. A reformer he is not!

Imagine going to some international dick-stroking fest in the future, and having to look this pampered animal in the eye, and shake its claw. ????

[spidermike007]

At a minimum, the upside to all of this is that MBS has been outed, as a thug, a serial killer, a gangster, a ruthless enforcer of the Saud family law, and a fake reformer. All that is good. The incredible amount of hope and goodwill he enjoyed until recently, is forever gone. The world now knows who, and what he is, and that is a very good thing for the planet.

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, Srikcir said:

I expect:

Under Saudi Arabia's Sharia Law - yes.

Under Saudi Arabia civil law - unlikely, especially since the Crown put the Prince in charge of the investigation and the Prince has assured there will be death penalties for participants that most assuredly not include himself.

That conflict is a potential dilemma for the Saudi Arabia Crown that has always maintained that it (ie., vs Turkey) is the supreme protector of Islam.

 

The Saudi leadership embodies the opposite of everything their prophet taught. The house of Saud is representative of a complete lack of virtue. 

[Srikcir]

15 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The Saudi leadership embodies the opposite of everything their prophet taught. The house of Saud is representative of a complete lack of virtue. 

Former CIA official Graham Fuller argues that an Islamist is “one who believes that Islam as a body of faith has something important to say about how politics and society should be ordered in the contemporary Muslim world and who seeks to implement this idea in some fashion”. https://www.economist.com/special-report/2003/09/11/the-gods-that-failed

The House of Saud may have failed as a body of Islamic faith and a reckoning may be due for King Salman. Not all is secure with the current Saud crown succession.

“Is he a prince? A businessman? Or a politician?” asks one of the king’s octogenarian half brothers. “I don’t know when this play will end. Government is not theater. King Salman needs to open his heart and his mind to his brothers.”

https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/inside-turmoil-change-house-saud

[spidermike007]

17 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Former CIA official Graham Fuller argues that an Islamist is “one who believes that Islam as a body of faith has something important to say about how politics and society should be ordered in the contemporary Muslim world and who seeks to implement this idea in some fashion”. https://www.economist.com/special-report/2003/09/11/the-gods-that-failed

The House of Saud may have failed as a body of Islamic faith and a reckoning may be due for King Salman. Not all is secure with the current Saud crown succession.

“Is he a prince? A businessman? Or a politician?” asks one of the king’s octogenarian half brothers. “I don’t know when this play will end. Government is not theater. King Salman needs to open his heart and his mind to his brothers.”

https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/inside-turmoil-change-house-saud

After Khashoggi had died, the kill team reportedly called an aide to Prince Mohammed & said: “Tell your boss the deed was done.” The contents of this call have validated the CIA’s assessment. A thug. A killer. Zero credibility.

[Srikcir]

13 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

After Khashoggi had died, the kill team reportedly called an aide to Prince Mohammed & said: “Tell your boss the deed was done.” The contents of this call have validated the CIA’s assessment. A thug. A killer. Zero credibility.

Americans have yet to hear the full assassination story, likely being withheld by the Trump administration.

 

Recall that the US intelligence agencies knew in advance of a plan by S.A. to capture Khashoggi.

It's credible that the US monitors S.A. communications between the US Saudi Arabian Embassy and the S.A. government. As such they would have known of any communication between the S.A. government and the S.A. Embassy Ambassador to convince Khashoggi that he must go to the S.A. Embassy in Turkey for his marriage documents. The implicit involvement of TWO S.A. embassies in Khashoggi's planned capture and/or assassination can only be achieved by the highest elements of the S.A. government and not by some rogue S.A. intelligence operation.

 

A question I have is why isn't S.A. Ambassador to the US (currently in S.A.) immediately declared by the US government as non persona grata as Ambassador to the US? But such action would be a public admission by Trump no doubt that the S.A. Crown did direct Khashoggi's capture and murder.