webfact Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 State of emergency extended in deep South By The Nation FILE photo The government on Friday extended the state of emergency on three southern border provinces for three more months. Gen Wallop Raksanoh, secretary general of the National Security Council, said the committee in charge of emergency situation in the deep South decided to extend the state of emergency for Yala, Pattani and Narathiwat from December 20 to January 19. The committee, which is chaired by Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Gen Prawit Wongsuwan, also decided to lift the emergency situation in the Sukharin district of Narathiwat after the insurgency situation improved. Sukharin will instead be put under the lighter Internal Security Act. The committee also considered the status of four other districts but the panel decided that their situations have not yet improved enough to warrant the emergency status being lifted. The emergency decree has been declared in the deep South to allow authorities to bypass normal legal procedures for taking suspected insurgents into custody and for interrogation. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30358701 -- © Copyright The Nation 2018-11-16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chang_paarp Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 Well that come as a surprise. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 18 hours ago, webfact said: allow authorities to bypass normal legal procedures for taking suspected insurgents into custody and for interrogation. Which the military authorities have been doing since the insurgency started decades ago. Why can't the military concede that a political solution and not a military solution is the path to reconciliation and peace with the insurgency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briggsy Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Srikcir said: Which the military authorities have been doing since the insurgency started decades ago. Why can't the military concede that a political solution and not a military solution is the path to reconciliation and peace with the insurgency? Because whenever anyone with real influence over the ethnic Malay population pops their head above the parapet, they tend to find themselves dead in mysterious circumstances fairly soon. Thus the suggestion to hold negotiations outside of Thailand with third party mediation. Always rejected by the Council of State, Privy Council, etc.... Instead they have negotiations with harmless people who have no influence and the negotiations lead nowhere since they are negotiating with people who have no influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocky Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 49 minutes ago, Srikcir said: Which the military authorities have been doing since the insurgency started decades ago. Why can't the military concede that a political solution and not a military solution is the path to reconciliation and peace with the insurgency? That's incorrect. The current escalation of the southern troubles dates back to 2003, and the State of Emergency Decree was approved in 16 July 2005 and has been extended ever since. As for resolution, there was a glimmer of hope after the National Reconciliation Commission published its recommendations in 2006, these were welcomed in the Pattani states and the then government under Thaksin stated the recommendations would be implemented. However it all fell apart when Prem Tinsulanonda stated "The country is Thai and the language is Thai" - one of the recommendations of the commission was the recognition of Yawi (Bahasa Thai) as a working language. There's no knowing if adoption of the commission's recommendations would have brought the insurgency to an end, but certainly more troops and bullets hasn't worked in the thirteen years since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cake Monster Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 And all the time , the people in charge are more concerned about Pigeons Pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 10 hours ago, Stocky said: That's incorrect. The current escalation of the southern troubles dates back to 2003, and the State of Emergency Decree was approved in 16 July 2005 and has been extended ever since. The military never needed in practice a formal SED to fight the insurgency that began decades ago until (I suspect) it became politically incorrect with elected governments without a formal SED. That's why I said "decades." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy chappie Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 I love the way it's worded 'the deep south' I've got one for them,instead of calling them insurgents,just call them people playing up and never ever call them terrorists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 4 hours ago, happy chappie said: just call them people playing up What does this mean - "playing up"? 4 hours ago, happy chappie said: instead of calling them insurgents Insurgency is a rebellion against the State. In the case of Thailand, it is rebellion of the former Islamic Kingdom of Patanni against the forced assimilation by the Buddhist Kingdom of Thailand. Hence, "insurgents" seems an appropriate term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy chappie Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 52 minutes ago, Srikcir said: What does this mean - "playing up"? Insurgency is a rebellion against the State. In the case of Thailand, it is rebellion of the former Islamic Kingdom of Patanni against the forced assimilation by the Buddhist Kingdom of Thailand. Hence, "insurgents" seems an appropriate term. So the IRA were insurgents and not terrorists.these people commit act of terrorism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, happy chappie said: So the IRA were insurgents and not terrorists.these people commit act of terrorism. I'm not going to stray from the topic of the insurgency throughout the former Islamic Kingdom of Patanni. To stray would be to counter with the history of insurgency in south Thailand and a conversation about the American 1776 insurgency against the King of England. However again .... What do you mean - "playing up"? I'm trying to understand your literature and initial point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocky Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 15 hours ago, Srikcir said: The military never needed in practice a formal SED to fight the insurgency that began decades ago until (I suspect) it became politically incorrect with elected governments without a formal SED. That's why I said "decades." Certainly, but the the south has not been in perpetual turmoil. Little changed for the southern states after the 1909 Anglo-Siamese Treaty, it was only in the 1930s with the push for 'Thainess' and the policy of Thaification that the troubles started. The south was then caught up with the communist insurgency and the Malayan Emergency from 1968 until the signing of the peace treaty in Hat Yai in 1989. The communists used Thailand as a base for operations; you can visit several tunnel complexes in southern Thailand, the best being at Piyamit near Betong, and Khao Nam Khang in southern Songkhla province. During the 90s things were peaceful, they then kicked off again late 90s but it was only in 2003 that things escalated and the State of Emergency was declared in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocky Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 9 hours ago, happy chappie said: I love the way it's worded 'the deep south' I've got one for them,instead of calling them insurgents,just call them people playing up and never ever call them terrorists. Yes, they commit acts of terror, they target both military and civilians indiscriminately. They are terrorists, but they are local people so the conflict is an insurgency (a rebellion) rather than an invasion. The Thai government tries to play the whole thing down so as not to frighten the tourists. Meanwhile since 2004 over 7,000 people have lost their lives, and 12,000 more have been injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfill Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 On 11/17/2018 at 2:45 AM, Srikcir said: Which the military authorities have been doing since the insurgency started decades ago. Why can't the military concede that a political solution and not a military solution is the path to reconciliation and peace with the insurgency? Perhaps they are doing exactly what the British Government did in Northern Ireland for many decades. For so many years anyone who even dared to try and negotiate were vilified and accused of all sorts. Eventually common sense prevailed and peace broke out. Once the protagonists discover that they can more money with peace it will stop immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stocky Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 16 hours ago, mrfill said: Once the protagonists discover that they can more money with peace it will stop immediately Well that's part of the problem. Many of the people with the guns are making full use of the opportunity it allows them to control the smuggling routes; drugs, human trafficking, fuel, alcohol, cigarettes - plenty of money to be made. As for the locals they see nothing, there's no investment in the south, there are few jobs and you have to lock and bar your doors after dark. That's why Hat Yai has seen such an influx of what are basically refugees from the troubles, both Buddhist and Muslims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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