Surprised to see counter staff handling meat with bare hands at Big C Extra.

[fruitman]

Just now, giddyup said:

Well, it was whatever weight 250 baht buys you from 800 baht a kilo. More than enough for two, unless you happen to be an obese Texan, and no, I don't expect a chef to wear gloves, but for counter staff yes. I don't see counter staff at Tesco picking up my sliced ham with bare hands, they use tongs.

Well i expect a chef to use tongs or utensils to put the steak on my plate....i think it's dirty to use bare hands, they also don't wash them but wipe them on their skirt. Just like somchai the pancake man does on the street but he got blamed for it.

 

 

[digger70]

20 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

I never put on gloves when I handle my meat.

Neither do the Thais ,,,, They use a pair of thongs sometimes to grab their meat when they go to the toilet so not to get germs on their hands and meat, then they use the thongs to pick up the meat. Make sense or not?i didn't think so.????

[Nyezhov]

33 minutes ago, fruitman said:

Watch youtube video's of famous chefs like Ramsey or Jamie....they also like to touch meat in the frying pan with bare hands....and they also use metal utensils in teflon pans.....they don't wear the chefs hat or mouthmask.....Ramsey even has michelin stars iirc.

But no one eats what they cook on Youtube except the youtubers, who vomit it up afterwards so they dont get sick. Or chase it down with a half a bottle of Sangsom and two shots of curry powder. Nuff said.

[Nyezhov]

2 minutes ago, digger70 said:

Neither do the Thais ,,,, They use a pair of thongs sometimes to grab their meat when they go to the toilet so not to get germs on their hands and meat, then they use the thongs to pick up the meat. Make sense or not?i didn't think so.????

Tongs? I can only use a tweezer to hold my meat.???? Those Thai guys must have some big meat!

[digger70]

On 11/18/2018 at 1:23 PM, giddyup said:

What local butcher, where? I'm trying to recall if my butcher in Australia ever wore plastic gloves, but my memory fails me.

Never seen a butcher shop in Thailand, never in the older days would a clean butcher were gloves . I would be more worried about handling money and then handling food and visa versa with or without gloves.

[Media1]

On 11/18/2018 at 1:23 PM, giddyup said:

What local butcher, where? I'm trying to recall if my butcher in Australia ever wore plastic gloves, but my memory fails me.

They wear

[Gandtee]

21 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

I never put on gloves when I handle my meat.

What about your two veg?☺️

[marcusarelus]

2 hours ago, fruitman said:

Well i expect a chef to use tongs or utensils to put the steak on my plate....i think it's dirty to use bare hands, they also don't wash them but wipe them on their skirt. Just like somchai the pancake man does on the street but he got blamed for it.

I guess you never worked in a restaurant.  How do you think they tell if the steak is well done or medium?  They put their big fat finger on the meat and push.  The grill cooks in Western restaurants keep a towel on their waist and the wipe hands on it all night long.  If they drop the steak on the floor everyone says 5 second rule and they laugh as they put it back on the grill.  A total of 171 people required hospitalization and some children died as a result of an American burger restaurant not cooking meat properly (1993).  Know how many went to jail?  - None.  When you order well done you get left over meat that has been on the floor or left from a few days ago and stored at room temperature.  The cooks figure you are an idiot so will eat anything.  Never order fish on a Monday and never ever eat mussels in a restaurant unless you know the chef and he likes you. 

[marcusarelus]

23 minutes ago, Kim J said:

Go to one of the 'fresh' Chicken, pork or beef stalls on your local Thai market. It really will make your experiences in the supermarkets pale into insignificance.

Another point to bare in mind is when you eat out. Do you think restaurants and hotels, even the expensive ones will pay premium supermarket prices for their meat?

Ultimately I do not think any of it is of any great concern I have been coming / living here for over 20 years and never had dodgy guts in all that time.

You can't find prime meat at a supermarket because the restaurants have purchased all of it. 

[fruitman]

4 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

I guess you never worked in a restaurant.  How do you think they tell if the steak is well done or medium?  They put their big fat finger on the meat and push.  The grill cooks in Western restaurants keep a towel on their waist and the wipe hands on it all night long.  If they drop the steak on the floor everyone says 5 second rule and they laugh as they put it back on the grill.  A total of 171 people required hospitalization and some children died as a result of an American burger restaurant not cooking meat properly (1993).  Know how many went to jail?  - None.  When you order well done you get left over meat that has been on the floor or left from a few days ago and stored at room temperature.  The cooks figure you are an idiot so will eat anything.  Never order fish on a Monday and never ever eat mussels in a restaurant unless you know the chef and he likes you. 

I worked for years in a steakhouse and we used a meatfork on the grills....

 

I also have been a waiter in a large chain restaurant...one day a customer gave me her steak back and said it wasn't tender...i gave it to the chef, he slammed it hard on the edge of the workbench ,a few times, they played soccer with it for a minute...back on the grill for a min and i had to bring it back to the guest.

 

 

[fruitman]

5 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

You can't find prime meat at a supermarket because the restaurants have purchased all of it. 

That's true for the West...but in thailand i know where to buy very good steak, and only know 2 restaurants which serve decent steaks....one of them is closed though..that was the Barbican in soi Thanya.

[marcusarelus]

4 minutes ago, Kim J said:

Simply not true.

You never see dry aged prime beef in supermarkets.  I'm not surprised you don't know as you probably have never tasted it.

Edited November 19, 2018 by marcusarelus

[fruitman]

2 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

You never see dry aged prime beef in supermarkets.  I'm not surprised you don't know as you probably have never tasted it.

In Central Chidlom they sell kobe beef up to 10.000 baht a kg..not sure if they have dry aged but that's easy to make yourself in the fridge...just keep it uncovered and let it drip. But a tough hard steak won't become tender from dry aging.

 

 

[marcusarelus]

17 minutes ago, fruitman said:

That's true for the West...but in thailand i know where to buy very good steak, and only know 2 restaurants which serve decent steaks....one of them is closed though..that was the Barbican in soi Thanya.

You can order dry aged prime beef in Thailand but it is never in a "supermarket."  It is never sold in anything but primal cuts anyway (not restaurant quality).  I've tried some from mail order places here.  At your own risk.  Choice beef sure no problem.  Nothing above choice is ever sold in a normal supermarket. 

[marcusarelus]

1 minute ago, fruitman said:

In Central Chidlom they sell kobe beef up to 10.000 baht a kg..not sure if they have dry aged but that's easy to make yourself in the fridge...just keep it uncovered and let it drip. But a tough hard steak won't become tender from dry aging.

No it's not easy to make yourself.  To begin with the smallest quantity is over a 10 pound roast and you would need a refer that controls humidity and temp within 2 or 3 degrees.  The rest is urban folklore and a real professional will laugh at you. 

[fruitman]

5 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

You can order dry aged prime beef in Thailand but it is never in a "supermarket."  It is never sold in anything but primal cuts anyway (not restaurant quality).  I've tried some from mail order places here.  At your own risk.  Choice beef sure no problem.  Nothing above choice is ever sold in a normal supermarket. 

Well i've tried loads of thai beef but not the very expensive ones like kobe beef...i don't like wagyu though, too much fat which doesn't melt.

 

And the butcher in Chidlom is in a SUPERMARKET...in fact i've only been to 1 real butcher in thailand and that was a muslim butcher.

[marcusarelus]

4 minutes ago, fruitman said:

Well i've tried loads of thai beef but not the very expensive ones like kobe beef...i don't like wagyu though, too much fat which doesn't melt.

 

And the butcher in Chidlom is in a SUPERMARKET...in fact i've only been to 1 real butcher in thailand and that was a muslim butcher.

Passion sells certified Angus but any prime beef is going to have almost as much fat as wagyu. 

[fruitman]

2 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Passion sells certified Angus but any prime beef is going to have almost as much fat as wagyu. 

The fat on those marbled steaks will melt during frying...that's what i like but no huge edges of fat...i even hate to see that and call it dogfood.

 

I know where to buy very good sirloin and keep that a secret or it will be sold out soon by other forummembers...i searched 10 years for that and won't eat any other beef.

[luckyluke]

Thai-French Butchery

Sukhumvit 33/1

Bangkok

 

 

Edited November 19, 2018 by luckyluke

[marcusarelus]

6 minutes ago, fruitman said:

The fat on those marbled steaks will melt during frying...that's what i like but no huge edges of fat...i even hate to see that and call it dogfood.

 

I know where to buy very good sirloin and keep that a secret or it will be sold out soon by other forummembers...i searched 10 years for that and won't eat any other beef.

Sirloin has many meanings.  What cut do you really mean? 

[fruitman]

1 minute ago, Kim J said:

The conversation is about supermarket meat.

You made an incorrect statement.

I said it was not true,

Now you detract by throwing into the conversation a specialised product which in your own words you will never see in a supermarket!!

 

How bizarre.

I guess he has never been in the SUPERMARKET on the ground floor (in the back) in Central Chidlom....they have so much  and you'll see only wealthy customers there...

 

I guess the japanese buy the 10.000+ baht a kg beef...i won't pay that much..

 

But i;m going to try what the OP bought....Aussie sirloin from BigC. You never know....my own butcher is far from home...

[tropo]

 

On 11/18/2018 at 4:53 PM, LomSak27 said:

My Big C Rule; whatever meat you buy you cook it that day. Never keep it in your fridge overnight. 

Oh and I wash it too. However as the above indicates I have put things in the fridge and had them go bad by the next day. More than once .... probably those bargain pieces they are selling. I still shop there,  but caveat emptor. 

I've bought beef at Big-C Extra, aged Australian steak, and kept it in the fridge for over a week. There's really no need to be so paranoid about beef. Chicken and pork are a different matter though. If you like rare meat and it's Thai beef, freeze it first to avoid tapeworms.

[marcusarelus]

1 minute ago, Kim J said:

The conversation is about supermarket meat.

You made an incorrect statement.

I said it was not true,

Now you detract by throwing into the conversation a specialised product which in your own words you will never see in a supermarket!!

 

How bizarre.

No such thing as supermarket beef. Prime meat is not specialized it's a grade.  All meat is graded before it is sold.  I wrote that you won't find prime meat at a supermarket and you said that is not true which is incorrect.  Here is a link that will explain it to you.  https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsis/topics/food-safety-education/get-answers/food-safety-fact-sheets/production-and-inspection/inspection-and-grading-of-meat-and-poultry-what-are-the-differences_/inspection-and-grading-differences

Prime grade is produced from young, well-fed beef cattle. It has abundant marbling and is generally sold in restaurants and hotels. Prime roasts and steaks are excellent for dry-heat cooking (broiling, roasting, or grilling).

 

[fruitman]

2 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

No such thing as supermarket beef. Prime meat is not specialized it's a grade.  All meat is graded before it is sold.  I wrote that you won't find prime meat at a supermarket and you said that is not true which is incorrect.  Here is a link that will explain it to you.  https://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsis/topics/food-safety-education/get-answers/food-safety-fact-sheets/production-and-inspection/inspection-and-grading-of-meat-and-poultry-what-are-the-differences_/inspection-and-grading-differences

Prime grade is produced from young, well-fed beef cattle. It has abundant marbling and is generally sold in restaurants and hotels. Prime roasts and steaks are excellent for dry-heat cooking (broiling, roasting, or grilling).

 

I always buy several kg of AA quality sirloin...in a supermarket in BKK....

[tropo]

47 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

You never see dry aged prime beef in supermarkets.  I'm not surprised you don't know as you probably have never tasted it.

Big C Extra have been carrying a line of aged beef from Australia. It's cryovac'd and good for a month in the fridge. It's really good and well priced at around 1000 baht/kg +/- depending on the cut.

[marcusarelus]

Just now, fruitman said:

I always buy several kg of AA quality sirloin...in a supermarket in BKK....

Sirloin has different meanings in different countries.  What cut of beef is it you are talking about?

[sharktooth]

Wouldn’t be the first time I have walked away from the deli counter at Rimping because the muppet was either not wearing gloves to cut up cold cuts or was coughing all over it. Aye, stick it up your erse pal.

[Nyezhov]

3 hours ago, Gandtee said:

What about your two veg?☺️

Those? My ex wife flicks them with a switchblade to amuse herself as she drives down the road. She had them Gold plated and they hang from her rearview mirror.

[marcusarelus]

8 minutes ago, Kim J said:

It may come as a surprise but Big C Extra Central Pattaya is NOT in the USA!! Those rules and regulations will not apply here.

In any case the discussion was about hygiene matters until you became involved.

You went off topic not I.  Every country has grading standards.  Some call it Prime and others AA or whatever.  The great majority of going to restaurants. 

 

You wrote, " Another point to bare in mind is when you eat out. Do you think restaurants and hotels, even the expensive ones will pay premium supermarket prices for their meat? " 

 

I didn't go off topic you did.  I was correcting your post which is in error because good restaurants pay more than the average consumer for prime meats not less as you suggest. 

 

I believe Arnos is at the new terminal 21 and has dry aged hamburger which I don't believe is for sale anywhere in Pattaya. 

Edited November 19, 2018 by marcusarelus

[marcusarelus]

2 hours ago, Kim J said:

Go to one of the 'fresh' Chicken, pork or beef stalls on your local Thai market. It really will make your experiences in the supermarkets pale into insignificance.

Another point to bare in mind is when you eat out. Do you think restaurants and hotels, even the expensive ones will pay premium supermarket prices for their meat?

Ultimately I do not think any of it is of any great concern I have been coming / living here for over 20 years and never had dodgy guts in all that time.

I agree with you about the local stalls as some even use insecticide on the meat (no flies are a bad not good sign).  And I would never quote you out of context but good restaurants and hotels pay more for meat than supermarkets do.  Clearly you know nothing about the restaurant and hotel business.  

Edited November 19, 2018 by marcusarelus