Trump stands by Saudi prince despite journalist Khashoggi's murder

[natway09]

New requirements for the position of  President of the US of A

We need to cut your conscience  out first.

One day the people of America may wake up.

I hope it is not to late

[sirineou]

New signal to the despots of the world, throw enough money at as and you can literally  get away with murder. 

[Odysseus123]

7 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Add to the fact that she's a Major in the U.S. Army, served in Iraq, and is of American-Samoan descent, all of which will likely cause Trump's orange mane to combust.

 

His tweets back will be instant classics.

 

But first, he'll need a few weeks to come up with a denigrating nickname for her.

 

 

 

 

They are working on it-all the seediest brains in America (of which there are plenty) should be able to come up with something that doesn't impugn a warrior but lets their own cowardly performance come off scot free.

[Jingthing]

He lies yet again. Never be surprised at how low he goes. He always goes lower. But continue to be surprised how such a moral zero ever became president, how he still has any fans left, and how he continues to hold on to the job.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/21/trump-broke-his-word-jamal-khashoggi-plain-simple/

 

 

 

"Trump broke his word on Jamal Khashoggi — plain and simple

 

 

 President Trump’s statement giving Saudi Arabia’s royal family a pass for the slaying of Jamal Khashoggi was remarkable. The logic he used was often nonsensical, the numbers he used were fictional, and he ignored legitimate arguments in favor of getting tough.

 

But equally problematic is this: He went back on his word."

 

 

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[puck2]

Very easy to judge:

-     (his own) money should win, not moral, laws, contracts,   responsibility,  brain.

 

[mtls2005]

21 hours ago, Jingthing said:

He lies yet again. Never be surprised at how low he goes. He always goes lower.

 

On the plus side: he hasn't blamed it on Hilary...yet.

 

 

[Jingthing]

Just now, mtls2005 said:

 

On the plus side: he hasn't blamed it on Hilary...yet.

 

 

It's the world, I tell you, it's the world!

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/22/confronted-with-bloody-behavior-autocrats-trump-instead-blames-world/
 

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Confronted with the bloody behavior of autocrats, Trump, instead, blames the world

In fielding questions from reporters about the killing of Washington Post contributing columnist Jamal Khashoggi, President Trump avoided blaming Mohammed bin Salman, despite the CIA’s findings that the Saudi crown prince had ordered the assassination.

“Who should be held accountable?” a reporter asked Trump Thursday. Sitting inside his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, the president took a deep breath, seemingly mulling his response.

Then he said: “Maybe the world should be held accountable, because the world is a vicious place.”

 

 

[metisdead]

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[Grouse]

Sorry to see our American cousins sinking so low

 

And don't tell me it's not all of you. I watched the midterms. You went for the money. As always.

[Jingthing]

On ‎11‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 6:09 PM, natway09 said:

New requirements for the position of  President of the US of A

We need to cut your conscience  out first.

One day the people of America may wake up.

I hope it is not to late

Indeed. The longer he stays the more long term and potentially permanent damage that is done to the very core of American democracy and institutions. It's turned out to be a lot more fragile than most people assumed.

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The only cause our president is willing to serve is his own well-being

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2018/11/23/the-only-cause-our-president-is-willing-to-serve-is-his-own-well-being/

 

[mtls2005]

Again with the use of the Putin Helsinki Gambit... "The CIA has feelings". He could easily and gently chastise the Kingdom without alienating them, thereby extracting even more concessions from them. The fact that he chooses not to indicates to me that they have something on him.

 

 

[Becker]

"Foreign Leaders Look At Donald Trump And See ‘Preening, Clueless Clown"

 

https://www.inquisitr.com/5175432/donald-trump-preening-clueless-clown/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=yahoo&utm_campaign=homepage

 

 

[mtls2005]

9 minutes ago, Becker said:

"Foreign Leaders Look At Donald Trump And See ‘Preening, Clueless Clown"

 

No problem with "preening" (given the coif, bronzer and recent use of overcoat to hide the diaper and massive weight gain), and "clueless".

 

But "clown"? Hmm, seems like an insult to clowns. Buffoon is more apt for our own President Biff Tannen. 

[Cryingdick]

Let's hope that things don't go so poorly that Social Security is bankrupted. There is a lot of turmoil already. 

[Becker]

1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

 

No problem with "preening" (given the coif, bronzer and recent use of overcoat to hide the diaper and massive weight gain), and "clueless".

 

But "clown"? Hmm, seems like an insult to clowns. Buffoon is more apt for our own President Biff Tannen. 

All clown are not created equal!

 

 

[bristolboy]

The scariest thing about the Crown Prince is that Saudi Arabia is now negotiating with the US to build nuclear power plants. Even though it would be cheaper to buy nuclear fuel from abroad, the Saudis (i.e. the Crown Prince) are insisting that the Saudis build factories to create their own fuel. Does anybody out there like the idea of this rash impulsive loon having his finger on a nuclear button?

[Becker]

23 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

The scariest thing about the Crown Prince is that Saudi Arabia is now negotiating with the US to build nuclear power plants. Even though it would be cheaper to buy nuclear fuel from abroad, the Saudis (i.e. the Crown Prince) are insisting that the Saudis build factories to create their own fuel. Does anybody out there like the idea of this rash impulsive loon having his finger on a nuclear button?

Yet another rash impulsive loon with his finger on the button? No thanks!

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, Becker said:

Yet another rash impulsive loon with his finger on the button? No thanks!

Maybe Trump likes the Crown Prince because compared to him, Trump looks rational.

[Becker]

10 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Maybe Trump likes the Crown Prince because compared to him, Trump looks rational.

I'd say it was the other way around.

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, Becker said:

I'd say it was the other way around.

I hate to give Trump any credit but so far he hasn't kidnapped the duly elected leader of another nation, nearly gone to war with a neighbor because he doesn't like its attitude, and is responsible for the deaths of 85,000 children and is not unlikely to be responsible for the deaths of millions more. Granted, there are restraints on Trump that are non-existent in Saudi Arabia but still...

[Becker]

17 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

I hate to give Trump any credit but so far he hasn't kidnapped the duly elected leader of another nation, nearly gone to war with a neighbor because he doesn't like its attitude, and is responsible for the deaths of 85,000 children and is not unlikely to be responsible for the deaths of millions more. Granted, there are restraints on Trump that are non-existent in Saudi Arabia but still...

True, but I would never use the name "Trump" and the word "rational" in the same sentence. 

[Thakkar]

[Scott]

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[Opl]

" “The CIA is not necessarily the highest standard of veracity or accuracy in assessing situations. The examples of that are multitude,” Prince Turki al-Faisal, a senior member of the royal family, told journalists in Abu Dhabi on Saturday, reported Reuters. The prince, a former Saudi intelligence chief who has also served as ambassador to the United States, pointed to the agency’s conclusion that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction before the 2003 invasion as evidence of its fallibility. "

https://www.newsweek.com/saudi-prince-says-cia-cant-be-trusted-khashoggi-accusation-because-it-botched-1229725

[sirineou]

4 minutes ago, Opl said:

" “The CIA is not necessarily the highest standard of veracity or accuracy in assessing situations. The examples of that are multitude,” Prince Turki al-Faisal, a senior member of the royal family, told journalists in Abu Dhabi on Saturday, reported Reuters. The prince, a former Saudi intelligence chief who has also served as ambassador to the United States, pointed to the agency’s conclusion that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction before the 2003 invasion as evidence of its fallibility. "

https://www.newsweek.com/saudi-prince-says-cia-cant-be-trusted-khashoggi-accusation-because-it-botched-1229725

 If I had to choose between the word of the prince and the CIA's please excuse me for choosing the CIA's

" In October 2002, Bush said that Saddam Hussein had a "massive stockpile"of biological weapons. But as CIA Director George Tenet noted in early 2004, the CIA had informed policymakers it had "no specific information on the types or quantities of weapons agent or stockpiles at Baghdad's disposal." The "massive stockpile" was just literally made up."

 

"In December 2002, Bush declared, "We do not know whether or not [Iraq] has a nuclear weapon." That was not what the National Intelligence Estimate said. As Tenet would later testify, "We said that Saddam did not have a nuclear weapon and probably would have been unable to make one until 2007 to 2009. "

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/9/12123022/george-w-bush-lies-iraq-war

[Kiwiken]

Sadly all too often Despots have been supported when it suits. Chiles Pinnochet, Colombian Death Squads, Nicaraguan Contras, South Vietnam,

All at the cost of human rights. In South East Asia, The middle East, Africa and South America Despotic regimes supported because they purported to be anti Communist whereas Building strong healthy vibrant Societies works far better than cluster Bombs and Napalm. China watched and understood the lesson this is why their strategy has outflanked the Capitalist back Military Industrial Complex backed Governments.

Capitalism has its place, As people must be allowed to achieve but when you think only One ideology is supreme then there is only room for conflict and support for Despots. Saudi Arabia is vicious Regime. Its human right record is appalling but because it has Oil we ignore it.

If Venezuela was not run by Meduro's ersatz Socialist Government then the US would ignore the Saudis and  Sanctions against them would be in place

[puck2]

Trump shows his real character day by day. He has a preference for killers:

 

• NRA – weapons of the arms loving companies

• climate killers as coal and oil companies (although he obviously doesn't know the difference between weather and climate 55555)

• last not least - MbS(alman) of Saudi Arabia

Money rules.

[tumama]

On 11/25/2018 at 7:36 AM, Kiwiken said:

If Venezuela was not run by Meduro's ersatz Socialist Government then the US would ignore the Saudis and  Sanctions against them would be in place

 

I doubt it. This is not only about oil. The Saudis are a major ally in the middle east. If this had happened under Obama, the only thing he would have done was condemn it and not much else. They get away with war crimes in Yemen that are responsible for 85 000 kids that starved to death. Which is ignored not only by our puppet governments, but also our mass media. 

[Prissana Pescud]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You make a lot of predictions but you don't know what they might find yet. 

No, I am making only one prediction based on the fact that we are talking about the US. 

The man fronting as the US president is as repugnant to me as it should be to the most normal of persons.

But he is loved by 50% of the US voting people. This says something about the mentality of US people.

Even though the dems won the lower house, the real power is in the senate, where the repubs won more seats.

This says even more about about the state of mind of US citizens.

So the dems may do a lot of hand wringing, a lot of political hubris will happen and nothing will be resolved.

The topic is already fading. Goes to show you can get away with murder if you own most of the words oil. (and own US politicians)

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

No, I am making only one prediction based on the fact that we are talking about the US. 

The man fronting as the US president is as repugnant to me as it should be to the most normal of persons.

But he is loved by 50% of the US voting people. This says something about the mentality of US people.

Even though the dems won the lower house, the real power is in the senate, where the repubs won more seats.

This says even more about about the state of mind of US citizens.

So the dems may do a lot of hand wringing, a lot of political hubris will happen and nothing will be resolved.

The topic is already fading. Goes to show you can get away with murder if you own most of the words oil. (and own US politicians)

You're misinformed. The house was a national election. The senate races were only in a limited number of states, mostly right wing ones. The house actually tells the national state of mind. Not the senate. You're confusing impeachment with investigations. The house has a lot of power in doing investigations and oversight of the president. "trump" has a current approval rating of 38 percent in a recent Gallup poll. That's not 50 percent.