Extreme Brexit could be worse than financial crisis for UK: BoE

[vinny41]

3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Things are never as bad as they seem. I trust the innate goodness of the British people. Most just want an end to this madness and if that means Revoke A50 so be it. There will be a lot of bluff and bluster from a small minority - but as we have seen on the March to Leave and the Go Slow mob they are hugely irrelevant now.  May is not the issue now she has been driven half-mad by the unwinnable task she has been given. Our national sovereign parliament will steer us to safer waters and very soon. Wise heads and calm hearts of the EU, parliament and the people want to resolve this for the good of all. This nightmare will pass and pass soon.

History will remind you that kind of thinking is exactly how the Troubles started in the sixties and look how that turn out

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

[7by7]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

What a pathetic, presumptuous, picky plonker you are.

Another witty and erudite response; worthy of Wilde or Shaw at their best!

[nontabury]

4 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Things are never as bad as they seem. I trust the innate goodness of the British people. Most just want an end to this madness and if that means Revoke A50 so be it. There will be a lot of bluff and bluster from a small minority - but as we have seen on the March to Leave and the Go Slow mob they are hugely irrelevant now.  May is not the issue now she has been driven half-mad by the unwinnable task she has been given. Our national sovereign parliament will steer us to safer waters and very soon. Wise heads and calm hearts of the EU, parliament and the people want to resolve this for the good of all. This nightmare will pass and pass soon.

 

 

 A good example would be the Scottish. In 2014 they voted NO to Scotland seperating from the rest of the U.K. by more than 55% to 44% in spite of the fact that the vote was twisted to the nationalist cause,by for example allowing inexperienced and gullible children to participate in the vote.

 And here we are 5yrs later and we still have nationalist who do not accept the vote, T.V member Ruam Ruby being one. 

Yet you seriously think that those who voted and actually won the people’s referendum in 2016 to exit this so called onion, will simple go away and accept this overturning of Democracy. There is far more chance that the E.U. Is heading for a nightmare, regarding the British. This added to the anti E.u sentiment that is now storming the E.u again examples Italy,The Netherlands does not bode well for the future of This onion.

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

History will remind you that kind of thinking is exactly how the Troubles started in the sixties and look how that turn out

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

The Irish Troubles would kick off again the day after a no-deal Brexit. Hard Brexiteers absolutely clueless and stupid on this issue alone.

[nontabury]

17 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

The Irish Troubles would kick off again the day after a no-deal Brexit. Hard Brexiteers absolutely clueless and stupid on this issue alone.

The Irish troubles will kick off again, no matter what happens regards Brexit. It’s just a matter of time.

[tebee]

10 minutes ago, nontabury said:

The Irish troubles will kick off again, no matter what happens regards Brexit. It’s just a matter of time.

Not if we have Irish reunification 

[Yanni69]

England will find the solution as it always does. European Union is gradually shrinking, euro also. It's a good time to buy sterling...

[SheungWan]

3 hours ago, SheungWan said:

The Irish Troubles would kick off again the day after a no-deal Brexit. Hard Brexiteers absolutely clueless and stupid on this issue alone.

 

3 hours ago, nontabury said:

The Irish troubles will kick off again, no matter what happens regards Brexit. It’s just a matter of time.

And there we have the proof, right on time!

[Laughing Gravy]

10 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

What does a septic know about t'UK ? 

A charmer you are. Someone giving their opinion from the outside and you just show exactly what she was on about. Thank you.

 

You could argue what do all the 27 EU countries know whats best for then UK but they seem to give their screaming opinions, consistently.

[Laughing Gravy]

9 hours ago, tebee said:

We need consensus politics were everyone's view is taken into account. OK the winners should be take into account more, but ignoring a sizable percentage is a recipe for instability which is exactly what we have got.

Your ideology looks great on paper but to leave the EU can only be done with a clean break, as the EU doesn't allow countries to leave their amazing democratic organisation and yes I am being sarcastic. Anything else isn't leaving the EU.

 

I do like that the winners should be taken into account more. sadly in brexit they are not at all. Regardless of what happens the EU and the smugness of their leaders, has made me and I am sure others, have a distastefulness for the EU project and it is not if but when the UK leaves will be for the better. No matter what happens.

 

 

[Laughing Gravy]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Poor you, I feel you pain.

 

But you voted for it.

Yes but what did you vote for? Anything. If not whats your point or are you just antagonistic with smugness and arrogance.

[Laughing Gravy]

13 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

What will you do if vote leave wins again. Yes democracy can change its mind. We haven't left yet and you want to change. democracy has to be implemented first then change its mind but no you, would never see it like that. Like a football match lets keep playing until we win and get the result we want. Definitely EU mentality.

 

I would be happy to have another referendum in 10 years. More than fair as it took 40 plus to get one to genuinely see if peoples minds have changed from this so called apocalyptic life we will have, supposedly. I would bet that many remainers won't accept that, as they want to overthrow democracy, whilst using the excuse in the name of democracy. Irony at best.

[wilcopops]

So now Gove is trying to unseat May........ its like two drivers fighting over who drives the bus over a cliff.

Cameron has a lot to answer for.

[Henryford]

16 hours ago, vogie said:

IMO you couldn't be more wrong. Mrs May has found out when you try and please everybody, you end up pleasing nobody.

That's was Treason May's big mistake. You have to take a side Leave or Remain. Her abortion of a deal was a half way house.

[talahtnut]

The failure of Brexit is that Britain sought permission to leave.

Italy just says 'up yours' to Brussels and joins the BRI.

This is known as looking after your own interests.

Locked into the EU ideology, the Uk will just be road-kill

along the way to China.

[melvinmelvin]

11 hours ago, keithsimmonds said:

You are right the Country is broken....and the next GE when ever that is will have the lowest votes polled ever.....as no one will be bothered to vote. Why would you???

not sure what you and @tebee mean when you say the country is broken,

the foggy islands are in place as before, here and there en in the Atlantic

hills, cliffs and mountains are also in place

 

don't understand this broken bit

 

what you have is a dysfunctional political system

an electoral system that almost guarantees that the composition of HoC is not in accordance with how the plebs vote

a parliament which is far from sovereign

a speaker that pulls out rulez from before cider was invented and prevents PM and HoC to debate what they want to debate  and decide upon

over and over PM stops HoC from debating what HoC wants to debate

PM refuses HoC to vote on what HoC wants

 

this is broken,

nothing new, been so long time

but

brexit comes along and it is exposed, it cant' handle modern complicated politics in a meaningful manner

 

UK, ain't up to Brexit

 

personally, I doubt  that the UK ever will be able to introduce quality PR and to make the HoC sovereign,

not to mention ditching or redesigning HOG, house of geriatrics

 

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, Henryford said:

That's was Treason May's big mistake. You have to take a side Leave or Remain. Her abortion of a deal was a half way house.

It's not just a half-way house, it's the 'kit-kat' promised.....

[wilcopops]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

What will you do if vote leave wins again.

Campaign tirelessly to remain.

 

I would also argue against referendums.

Unless they have a firm authority accompanied by a super majority ....as did the 75 referendum ... then any "decision" they put forward could be argued as unconstitutional.

 

I would say a characteristic of Brexitism is that it doesn't understand democracy and ignores the UK constitution. Basically they clung to a simplistic view of mob rule to the cost of real democracy.

 

Brexitism has set a highly questionable precedent with this particular referendum....in the end they may find themselves hoist on their own petard.

[talahtnut]

1 hour ago, wilcopops said:

Campaign tirelessly to remain.

 

I would also argue against referendums.

Unless they have a firm authority accompanied by a super majority ....as did the 75 referendum ... then any "decision" they put forward could be argued as unconstitutional.

 

I would say a characteristic of Brexitism is that it doesn't understand democracy and ignores the UK constitution. Basically they clung to a simplistic view of mob rule to the cost of real democracy.

 

Brexitism has set a highly questionable precedent with this particular referendum....in the end they may find themselves hoist on their own petard.

I see it now,  the majority don't understand democracy

and the minority are the real democracy.

[sandyf]

14 hours ago, keithsimmonds said:

You are right the Country is broken....and the next GE when ever that is will have the lowest votes polled ever.....as no one will be bothered to vote. Why would you???

Highlights the mentality that refuses to recognise the difference between electing people to office and an opinion poll.

Opinion polls operate to a margin of error, something that parliament failed to consider in the Referendum Bill. Who in their right mind asks for an opinion on a major issue with a potential outcome of an even split, what sort of answer is that. Had parliament taken steps to avoid a contentious result this would have been over one way or another a long time ago.

The problem is that people have been indoctrinated since schools days that 50% is a pass and hold the misconception that figure represents democracy, the dictionary however uses the phrase "most of the people"

What figure does the legal system use for "most of the jurors"  -  Certainly not 50%.

This argument over the 50% mark would indicate that some are of the opinion that everyone that gets over 50% in there exams should be treated equally, no difference between getting 51% or 90%,the result is the same. The same train of thought that has created the brexit fiasco.

Should the whole population be made to pay for parliaments mistake or should some attempt be made to put things right?

[mommysboy]

3 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

not sure what you and @tebee mean when you say the country is broken,

the foggy islands are in place as before, here and there en in the Atlantic

hills, cliffs and mountains are also in place

 

don't understand this broken bit

 

what you have is a dysfunctional political system

an electoral system that almost guarantees that the composition of HoC is not in accordance with how the plebs vote

a parliament which is far from sovereign

a speaker that pulls out rulez from before cider was invented and prevents PM and HoC to debate what they want to debate  and decide upon

over and over PM stops HoC from debating what HoC wants to debate

PM refuses HoC to vote on what HoC wants

 

this is broken,

nothing new, been so long time

but

brexit comes along and it is exposed, it cant' handle modern complicated politics in a meaningful manner

 

UK, ain't up to Brexit

 

personally, I doubt  that the UK ever will be able to introduce quality PR and to make the HoC sovereign,

not to mention ditching or redesigning HOG, house of geriatrics

 

Brexit isn't designed for compromise- that's really the main problem.  

[nontabury]

3 hours ago, wilcopops said:

Campaign tirelessly to remain.

 

I would also argue against referendums.

Unless they have a firm authority accompanied by a super majority ....as did the 75 referendum ... then any "decision" they put forward could be argued as unconstitutional.

 

I would say a characteristic of Brexitism is that it doesn't understand democracy and ignores the UK constitution. Basically they clung to a simplistic view of mob rule to the cost of real democracy.

 

Brexitism has set a highly questionable precedent with this particular referendum....in the end they may find themselves hoist on their own petard.

There was no mob rule involved to leave this so called union, It was a Democratic decision of the people, that has then been overturned by the establishment and those who cannot see the writing on the wall.

 

  What many people fail to understand is that allthough Briexit was important. Even more important has been Democracy.And as we have seen over this last two years,that has been steadily eroded. And the wound of this treachery will never go away from the inner thinking of the British people. 

[Krataiboy]

12 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Another witty and erudite response; worthy of Wilde or Shaw at their best!

Full marks for alliteration, though - and that applies to both of you! 

[bomber]

30 minutes ago, nontabury said:

There was no mob rule involved to leave this so called union, It was a Democratic decision of the people, that has then been overturned by the establishment and those who cannot see the writing on the wall.

 

  What many people fail to understand is that allthough Briexit was important. Even more important has been Democracy.And as we have seen over this last two years,that has been steadily eroded. And the wound of this treachery will never go away from the inner thinking of the British people. 

Dry ya eyes

[aright]

2 hours ago, talahtnut said:

I see it now,  the majority don't understand democracy

and the minority are the real democracy.

Good point. By definition you can't democratically overturn a democratic decision as much as Remainers would prefer their definition of democracy (their choice) over the  dictionary definition (the peoples choice).

[beautifulthailand99]

8 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

What will you do if vote leave wins again. Yes democracy can change its mind. We haven't left yet and you want to change. democracy has to be implemented first then change its mind but no you, would never see it like that. Like a football match lets keep playing until we win and get the result we want. Definitely EU mentality.

 

I would be happy to have another referendum in 10 years. More than fair as it took 40 plus to get one to genuinely see if peoples minds have changed from this so called apocalyptic life we will have, supposedly. I would bet that many remainers won't accept that, as they want to overthrow democracy, whilst using the excuse in the name of democracy. Irony at best.

7

This is not some abstract philosophical construct. No one has ever left the EU, particularly not when they have been members for 42 years. It has become glaringly apparent now to all who have their eyes open that leaving would entail huge economic risks and dislocation of millions of people both EU citizens here and UK citizens abroad. It is no longer a pig in a poke. We are better informed now and then the so-called negotiations of leaving by May et al has been an epic failure of Suez type proportions. Asking for a second referendum under these circumstances is not just wise but the right thing to do. David Davies has a lot to answer for and he resigned rather than take responsibility. Like Boris and Farage and Cameron before them. You should reserve your anger at these folk - Lions led by Donkeys. 

 

[sandyf]

14 minutes ago, aright said:

Good point. By definition you can't democratically overturn a democratic decision as much as Remainers would prefer their definition of democracy (their choice) over the  dictionary definition (the peoples choice).

You really are a master of context manipulation.

A democratic event is an event where all can participate as opposed to being restricted, nothing to do with results.

Had there been a majority margin involved the referendum would have still been democratic, irrespective of what you think.

[malagateddy]

Lions deceived and backstabbed by t may and her remaining civil servants!!!!

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[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, malagateddy said:

Lions deceived and backstabbed by t may and her remaining civil servants!!!!

Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

You'll like this then...

 

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, nontabury said:

 What many people fail to understand is that allthough Briexit was important. Even more important has been Democracy.And as we have seen over this last two years,that has been steadily eroded. And the wound of this treachery will never go away from the inner thinking of the British people. 

It is only those with a distorted concept of democracy that would think that. UK democracy is based on elected representatives and nothing has changed.

 

democracy

noun

 UK  /dɪˈmɒk.rə.si/ US  /-ˈmɑː.krə-/

B2 [ U ] the belief in freedom and equality between people, or a system of government based on this belief, in which power is either held by elected representatives or directly by the people themselves:

The government has promised to uphold the principles of democracy.

The early 1990s saw the spread of democracy in Eastern Europe.

B2 [ C ] a country in which power is held by elected representatives:

Few of the Western democracies still have a royal family.

(Definition of “democracy” from the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary & Thesaurus © Cambridge University Press)