If Parliament does not want no-deal and the Government does not wish for Article 50 to be revoked, how does the Labour Party propose to introduce a softer alternative to Theresa May's EU agreement with the deadlines in front of us?

4 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

An amazing number of remaniacs eager to join, in reality,

the failed unellected bankers superstate and 1000 years

of austerity.  Lemmings leaping off the white cliffs of Dover.

You will feel better after some lunch.

28 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said:

Inclined to agree.

But MPs know that for more than a few, this is likely to cost them their seats ????.

Which is why it's great fun at the moment watching them squirm and try to find a way around a genuine brexit!

Hopefully, it will be even more fun at the next GE!

Its that "genuine brexit" misdirection again!

1 hour ago, wilcopops said:

What date was that?

It seems that Brexit is in such a mess now that the EU has had to start to take control.........so much for "taking our country back" - back where?

That is the fall-back extension date agreed by the EU if the UK does not vote for Theresa May's motion next week.

1 hour ago, wilcopops said:

What date was that?

It seems that Brexit is in such a mess now that the EU has had to start to take control.........so much for "taking our country back" - back where?

The EU always has been in control. Who do you think drafted the Withdrawal treaty and told Mrs May to shove it down our throats?

1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

If is the important word here - Corbyn has implied he might go for revoke 'panic button'  when looking don the barrel of a no deal, SNP and Libs are a given a rump of tories assisted by the speaker and we are over the line. 

Brexit Betting Special	Odds	Implied Probability
Article 50 To Be Revoked	5/2	28.6%
Second EU Referendum	7/4	36.4%
No Deal Brexit	11/4	26.7%
Article 50 Extension Granted	1/4	80%

I doubt Corbyn can initiate any proposal that succeeds. The only power Labour has right now is pushing Theresa May's EU agreement over the line.

5 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

The EU always has been in control. Who do you think drafted the Withdrawal treaty and told Mrs May to shove it down our throats?

The usual Brexiteer distortion. The UK requested an extension and the EU (not the UK) properly considered the logistics which make eminent sense. Taking criticism from the crash and burn crowd completely useless.

13 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

That is the fall-back extension date agreed by the EU if the UK does not vote for Theresa May's motion next week.

They should have also agreed a second and third fall back date if she can't get a decision then either.

It would have saved a lot of time in repeating the meetings again and again.

Edited March 22, 20197 yr by BritManToo

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

They should have also agreed a second and third fall back date if she can't get a decision then either.

It would have saved a lot of time in repeating the meetings again and again.

They did agree two fall-back dates. One date if the TM motion is passed next week and another date if it isn't. The reason for each is sensible, but neither matches TM's single requested date.

Edited March 22, 20197 yr by SheungWan

On 3/21/2019 at 1:13 PM, Krataiboy said:

Awful lefty rag, only fit to be remaindered.

Doesn't matter one iota what you think about the messenger, the message remains the same.

Obviously you are a bit sensitive to how you receive bad news, more palatable from your preferred source. 

7 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Morning...2,138,983 signatures

On T.V news in the U.K. this morning. Tens of thousands,at least of these signatures originated in the E.U. Plus many more from other parts of the world. How this happens I do not know, as I wrongly thought you had to give a post code. Could it be that these remainers simple picked out any post code in the U.K.

 I’m not a computer geek, perhaps someone can tell me how or if it’s possible, to use a VPN to hide the origins of their signature.

3 minutes ago, nontabury said:

On T.V news in the U.K. this morning. Tens of thousands,at least of these signatures originated in the E.U. Plus many more from other parts of the world. How this happens I do not know, as I wrongly thought you had to give a post code. Could it be that these remainers simple picked out any post code in the U.K.

 I’m not a computer geek, perhaps someone can tell me how or if it’s possible, to use a VPN to hide the origins of their signature.

It's because UK citizens that live in the EU or elsewhere are allowed to vote in the UK and sign these petitions.

 

Postcode is used to determine your constituency if you live in the UK, but foreign ones are accepted too.   

Mystic Megg eat your heart out. The ultimate crystal gazer turns out to be a bloke who predicted the horrible mess Brexit is now in just two weeks after the EU referendum!

 

"It is perfectly conceivable that Brexit won’t go ahead at all," he declared. "Maybe they will find a way to have a second referendum. . . or the negotiations will end up with Britain being in the European Union in all but name".

 

No, it wasn't Michel Barnier or his tired and emotional mate Jean-Claude Juncker, but a so-called "conspiracy theorist" called James Corbett, who's actually smart as paint.

 

His uncannily accurate forecast and some riveting insights into where we may be heading next are in the first 16 minutes of the video, which was made less than a month after the Brexit result.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 22, 20197 yr by Krataiboy

2 hours ago, talahtnut said:

An amazing number of remaniacs eager to join, in reality,

the failed unellected bankers superstate and 1000 years

of austerity.  Lemmings leaping off the white cliffs of Dover.

Ahh, now it is about unelected bankers. Keep the lies coming!

2 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

The EU always has been in control. Who do you think drafted the Withdrawal treaty and told Mrs May to shove it down our throats?

Well, somebody had to provide a draft text to start from, and the UK arrived empty handed at the negotiation table. So don’t blame the EU for doing the work. The UK could have said ‘no’, but then would have failed to come up with an alternative.

2 hours ago, talahtnut said:

An amazing number of remaniacs eager to join, in reality,

the failed unellected bankers superstate and 1000 years

of austerity.  Lemmings leaping off the white cliffs of Dover.

 

There are more than 700 European lawyers working in the city of London.

This is because they are exempt, thanks to E.U. Rules from taking examinations that lawyers from countries such as Australia and N.Z are required to take. They are now very worried that they will lose this right after Brexit. You’ll be able to see them this weekend marching in London.

 

18 minutes ago, tebee said:

It's because UK citizens that live in the EU or elsewhere are allowed to vote in the UK and sign these petitions.

 

Postcode is used to determine your constituency if you live in the UK, but foreign ones are accepted too.   

Not quite true, I and many other ex-pats were denied the opportunity to vote in the referendum, due to living outside of the U.K for more then 15yrs. This in spite of the fact we still pay U.K income tax, and are non immigrants in the country we live.

20 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

Mystic Megg eat your heart out. The ultimate crystal gazer turns out to be a bloke who predicted the horrible mess Brexit is now in just two weeks after the EU referendum!

 

"It is perfectly conceivable that Brexit won’t go ahead at all," he declared. "Maybe they will find a way to have a second referendum. . . or the negotiations will end up with Britain being in the European Union in all but name".

 

No, it wasn't Michel Barnier or his tired and emotional mate Jean-Claude Juncker, but a so-called "conspiracy theorist" called James Corbett, who's actually smart as paint.

 

His uncannily accurate forecast and some riveting insights into where we may be heading next are in the first 16 minutes of the video, which was made less than a month after the Brexit result.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Having a listen - sounds good so far. 

10 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

There are more than 700 European lawyers working in the city of London.

This is because they are exempt, thanks to E.U. Rules from taking examinations that lawyers from countries such as Australia and N.Z are required to take. They are now very worried that they will lose this right after Brexit. You’ll be able to see them this weekend marching in London.

 

Good we are all Europeans with European rights. Bring us your brightest and best. I'd be joining them if I wasn't here til the 3rd. 

18 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Good we are all Europeans with European rights. Bring us your brightest and best. I'd be joining them if I wasn't here til the 3rd. 

 

 Agree we are all Europeans. Unfortunately many of those hundreds of thousand of E.u immigrants were not the brightest and best. Most were encouraged to emigrate to the U.K. in order to suppress the wages of the native Brits. Then of course we allowed into our country many undesirable criminals. 

 Far better for us to take control of our boarders, then we can restrict entry to those E.u. Citizens who we actually need, irrespective of colour,race, nationality or religion. In other words follow the Australian system.

Edited March 22, 20197 yr by nontabury

1 hour ago, damascase said:

Well, somebody had to provide a draft text to start from, and the UK arrived empty handed at the negotiation table. So don’t blame the EU for doing the work. The UK could have said ‘no’, but then would have failed to come up with an alternative.

If we were serious should have left unilaterally two years ago and served them up with a deal which we wanted. Not rocket science, really.

 

 

Edited March 22, 20197 yr by Krataiboy

6 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

If we were serious should have left unilateraly two years ago and served them up with a deal which we wanted.

I've said same from the onset.

Other Govts watching our fiasco hoping to follow suit will hopefully do just that & negotiate their fate with a hand firmly on the exchequer tap.

Edited March 22, 20197 yr by evadgib

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Doesn't matter one iota what you think about the messenger, the message remains the same.

Obviously you are a bit sensitive to how you receive bad news, more palatable from your preferred source. 

Sometimes, unfortunately, messages get distorted by the medium and its political agenda. Even you must know that, surely?

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

They should have also agreed a second and third fall back date if she can't get a decision then either.

It would have saved a lot of time in repeating the meetings again and again.

In the 21st C much of it could be done via appropriate technology.

Edited March 22, 20197 yr by evadgib

1 hour ago, damascase said:

Well, somebody had to provide a draft text to start from, and the UK arrived empty handed at the negotiation table. So don’t blame the EU for doing the work. The UK could have said ‘no’, but then would have failed to come up with an alternative.

And there you have it! The EU did the work on it alright. May let the EU dictate the format and schedule of "negotiations" from the start and then, effectively, let them write this damn "agreement" themselves, which of course, is typical EU. Who can be surprised that it can't get enough votes?

4 hours ago, Krataiboy said:

The EU always has been in control. Who do you think drafted the Withdrawal treaty and told Mrs May to shove it down our throats?

Article 50, which allows a member state to withdraw, was originally drafted by Scottish cross-bench peer and former diplomat Lord Kerr of Kinlochard, wiki

2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Having a listen - sounds good so far. 

Except that remainers forecast the mess BEFORE the referendum

1 hour ago, Krataiboy said:

If we were serious should have left unilaterally two years ago and served them up with a deal which we wanted. Not rocket science, really.

 

 

How do you leave unilaterally and then “serve them” a deal for a transition period?

 

48 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

 

 

 

This is the big Brexit march? That looks really poor. I did not know that the UK is so sparsely populated.

 

If there are so few, they could all ride with the bus.

 

Edited March 22, 20197 yr by tomacht8

Some troll posts and the replies have been removed.