Nurse, Nurse hes out of bed again!!

3 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

OMG! 

 

So you believed all the lies spouted by Boris, Farage, Gove etc. 

 

When was the last time you were involved on negotiating a trading agreement? Any idea of the timescales?

 

One think that many Leavers share, a simplistic naivety that all woes are down to the evil EU and that all the issues thrown up when leaving can be solved 'just like that' - Tommy Cooper would've been proud!

 

Wonder who they'll blame when the reality sinks in!

Funny how left wing democrats are the least democratic thinkers when it doesnt suit their agenda!!!!! 

2 hours ago, Retiredandhappyhere said:

After reading that lot, I just have a sneaky feeling that you are anti-Brexit, but, of course, I could be wrong.

Methinks he doth protest too much - no one thinks Brexit will solve everything but is the will of the majority and its blatantly clear that Merkel, Junkers and Macron have been making the UK pay through the nose for too long - 342 million a year in 174 million out - even a remoaner can do that maths!!

4 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

I don't think Corbyn has even tried to benefit from a split Tory,

not so easy when one has an equally split Labour.

 

no wise people either side?

and whose fault is that?  YOURS

 

stick with your antiquated fptp and enjoy lousy parliaments for the foreseeable future

 

fancy uk as a modern democratic state?

drastic redesign of election system - composition of parliament - parliament modus operandii - required

'

 

 

And who will the party to change the FPTP system and redesign the electoral system?

 

Neither of the 2 major parties as they have too much to lose as will the SNP in Scotland. That would leave the Lib/Dems and the also rans who have no majority nor are they really represented in parliament.

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

And who will the party to change the FPTP system and redesign the electoral system?

 

Neither of the 2 major parties as they have too much to lose as will the SNP in Scotland. That would leave the Lib/Dems and the also rans who have no majority nor are they really represented in parliament.

yep,

that is a very severe challenge you have on the islands

overcome it or remain in medieval governance

 

regarding electoral system (not constituencies but mapping of votes onto MPs)

earlier we've had severe problems in Norway, it was really first noticed when the world changed

and Labour lost its all over majority

 

there were two champions for changing it,

one far left politician and one far right politician (prime minister, minister of defense, finance, foreign aff)

they found each other re beefing up the electoral system, took them about 30 years to fight for that

now, our mapping algorithms are reasonably OK

 

MPs at large are happy with current system

 

ain't easy changing such matters

here you really see how narrow minds politicians have

it is easy to pinpoint the defects in a not good system

 

politicians that benefit from deficiencis  oppose  changes

politicians that loose from deficiencies welcome changes

gosh

 

 

4 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

Wonder who they'll blame when the reality sinks in!

In no particular order -

1. The EU for working behind our backs.

2. George Soros.

3. Jeremy Corbyn.

4. The Bilderberg Group.

5. The Guardian.

6. The BBC.

7. The Bank of England.

8. The majority of the (now) Monster Raving Tory party who want to remain.

 

It's a case of take your pick, really. Anyone but themselves.

40 minutes ago, baboon said:

In no particular order -

1. The EU for working behind our backs.

2. George Soros.

3. Jeremy Corbyn.

4. The Bilderberg Group.

5. The Guardian.

6. The BBC.

7. The Bank of England.

8. The majority of the (now) Monster Raving Tory party who want to remain.

 

It's a case of take your pick, really. Anyone but themselves.

you forgot;

 

TVF POTY

Trump

Mr 11th in China

 

Corbyn couldn't force a wet F**t to follow through.

56 minutes ago, baboon said:

In no particular order -

1. The EU for working behind our backs.

2. George Soros.

3. Jeremy Corbyn.

4. The Bilderberg Group.

5. The Guardian.

6. The BBC.

7. The Bank of England.

8. The majority of the (now) Monster Raving Tory party who want to remain.

 

It's a case of take your pick, really. Anyone but themselves.

t least this poster agrees we're doomed!

@Chomper Higgot Why do you continue to ND* the 'confused' emoji? Failing to like or agree to a post is entirely your prerogative but quite how the content confuses you or causes you to continue stalking the boards is somewhat confusing.....to everyone else!

 

(*Negligent Discharge; usually associated with firearms but equally appropriate re keyboards!)

6 hours ago, smedly said:

I expect a trading agreement (without all the BS) to happen very quickly even if we leave on WTO

And Santa Claus will deliver it.

6 hours ago, smedly said:

We can also enact the WTO’s Trade Facilitation Agreement which recently came into force that obliges the EU27 to adopt measures like authorised economic operators (trusted traders), which are part of the solution for the Northern Ireland border issue along with electronic declarations and remote checks away from the border.

EU adopted such measures already in 2008.............

6 hours ago, smedly said:

 

 

 

Next steps 30th March

UK and EU can jointly notify the World Trade Organisation (WTO) that in the light of working to agree a comprehensive FTA and future Political Declaration, we are invoking Article 24 of GATT (the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade).

This is important because Article 24 allows us to maintain the same tariff-free access to both our markets without breaching WTO discriminatory Most Favoured Nation (MFN) laws. Article 24 allows “an interim agreement leading to a formation of a free trade area” and allows “a reasonable length of time” – up to 10 years – to negotiate it.

You would still need an interim-agreement. And no, under an FTA there would NOT be the ‘same tariff-free access’. An FTA covers only goods ‘originating’ in the participating countries, measured against often complicated Rules of Origin. Thats means border checks, submitting proof of origin etc.

2 hours ago, smedly said:

you have your opinion, I do not agree, we will do better on our own, don't believe all the doom and gloom crap you read, we will continue to trade with the EU at similar levels we have now, they will try to limit our abilities to compete as we see already but it won't work, we will be free to do what is best for us without interference 

 

The EU will collapse with or without us, we are better off out before it does, UK leaving will no doubt speed things up.

 

What will be left is a 2x speed EU with about 5 countries as Primary and the rest secondary effectively splitting the EU in two, that could be interpreted as 5 countries leaving and forming their own trade partnership giving the middle finger to the rest

 

and if you think I'm talking out my ass go look it up, it's been proposed already 

You're talking out of your arse, well actually, blowing smoke out of it. Go look it up.....and not in the Daily Mail.

32 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

And Santa Claus will deliver it.

nah, no good,

papers will get all dirty being forced down the chimney

 

54 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

And Santa Claus will deliver it.

A fine contribution to the thread

 

so you don't think a trade agreement with the EU is going to happen ?

 

You do realise that we buy more from the EU than they do from us, sounds to me like they will want it more than we do, and while that is going on we will be setting up trade agreements with others  - I am going to assume that the EU will still want us to buy their goods at existing levels and not from someone else

 

Honestly some of the stupid comments on here really shows how naïve people are

 

Yes the EU is going to stop trading with the 6th largest economy in the world - right 

7 hours ago, smedly said:

The sensible people already voted to leave the dictorial power grabbing abusive EU, we want no further part of it, there might be 27 countries left when we leave but of that only 5 represent any interest to us, we will continue to trade with them regardless, I expect a trading agreement (without all the BS) to happen very quickly even if we leave on WTO

What nonsense. Even after all this time you have learnt NOTHING. 

7 hours ago, vogie said:

The Labour party had in its manifesto to leave the European Union, as did the the Conservatives. Corbyn is doing what the electorate voted him to do, as is Mrs May, that is why they amassed the lions share of the votes, the Lib Dems had a manifesto to remain in the EU and they did dismally so in the elections. 

Just because the two main partys are not doing what you want does not make it undemocratic.

True. But it does make them cynical bastards!

7 hours ago, Basil B said:

More probably any election will end up with no party with a majority particularly as both major parties will not clearly state what they will do re Brexit.

Great! Vince will replace the DUP and we will have a chance of salvation.

15 minutes ago, Grouse said:

What nonsense. Even after all this time you have learnt NOTHING. 

Nothing I could learn from you and that is a fact

 

here comes the Scotish nationalist that wants Independence lol but wants to be governed from Brussels which is NOT independence, it has to be one or the other because Scotland could not survive on its own, by the time they have paid their share of UK debt at 5 billion a year for the next 20 years there won't be much left

 

too funny

5 hours ago, smedly said:

and what am I on - a pure dose of intelligence which seems to be lacking in some on here

Wow! A real live Brexiter intellectual ????????????

 

Did you get a My Little Pony abattoir set for ???? 

Glad to see you're on form Grouse ????

I'll be along to pluck a few o' these shortly...

Howzatt...?

 

And again...

 

3 hours ago, baboon said:

In no particular order -

1. The EU for working behind our backs.

2. George Soros.

3. Jeremy Corbyn.

4. The Bilderberg Group.

5. The Guardian.

6. The BBC.

7. The Bank of England.

8. The majority of the (now) Monster Raving Tory party who want to remain.

9. Nigel Farage.

10. Boris Bonkers.

It's a case of take your pick, really. Anyone but themselves.

 

5 minutes ago, elliss said:

 

Altering somebody's post is a bit on the naughty side, but your secret is safe with me.

I doubt very much if the hardcore will ever turn on Johnson or Farage. That would be like a Christian turning on Jesus. They have invested their all and now have to see it through no matter what, or else admit to having lived a lie. Do you see the latter happening?

Evadgib posted 2 hrs ago

"We’ve created more jobs than the rest of Europe put together in the last few years, showing the resilience of the British economy in the face of relentless doom-mongering about Brexit" 

 

That was David Cameron cherry picking statistics being quoted.

1) It was 2010 to 2015 - scraping the barrel for good news if we have to go that far back!

2) It is only true comparing 1st quarters, and only because falling employment in Spain and Italy is included, artificially dragging the EU figure down.

3)Germany in the same period increased employment by considerably more than the UK. 

Just typical - politicians twisting the facts to suit themselves as usual.

Heavens, Matt Ridley (Who quoted David Cameron in the link) appears to be suffering senile decline, his book on the Genome was pretty good, all those years as a Newcastle FC board member must have been too much stress for him.

 

Much more significant is that William Hill now have a 2nd referendum within the next 2 years as odds on. I believe that there is no medical treatment available for people who think they can out smart the bookies! Jeremy Corbyn should take note.

Possibly this explains the increasingly desperate tone of postings to this forum by diehard Brexiteers. Getting nervous are we? Afraid that the prize may be slipping from our grip are we? It looks increasingly like that may very well be the case. Sorry about that, I guess Putin will be pretty upset as well. 

4 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Evadgib posted 2 hrs ago

"We’ve created more jobs than the rest of Europe put together in the last few years, showing the resilience of the British economy in the face of relentless doom-mongering about Brexit" 

 

That was David Cameron cherry picking statistics being quoted.

Service will resume during office hours tomorrow ????

7 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Evadgib posted 2 hrs ago

"We’ve created more jobs than the rest of Europe put together in the last few years, showing the resilience of the British economy in the face of relentless doom-mongering about Brexit" 

 

That was David Cameron cherry picking statistics being quoted.

1) It was 2010 to 2015 - scraping the barrel for good news if we have to go that far back!

2) It is only true comparing 1st quarters, and only because falling employment in Spain and Italy is included, artificially dragging the EU figure down.

3)Germany in the same period increased employment by considerably more than the UK. 

Just typical - politicians twisting the facts to suit themselves as usual.

Heavens, Matt Ridley (Who quoted David Cameron in the link) appears to be suffering senile decline, his book on the Genome was pretty good, all those years as a Newcastle FC board member must have been too much stress for him.

 

Much more significant is that William Hill now have a 2nd referendum within the next 2 years as odds on. I believe that there is no medical treatment available for people who think they can out smart the bookies! Jeremy Corbyn should take note.

Possibly this explains the increasingly desperate tone of postings to this forum by diehard Brexiteers. Getting nervous are we? Afraid that the prize may be slipping from our grip are we? It looks increasingly like that may very well be the case. Sorry about that, I guess Putin will be pretty upset as well. 

I have it down as 50 / 50. The hardcore Brexiteers may get their wish yet by default. They are a determined, single-minded group who punch hard and will not relent, come what may.

 

On the other hand we have useless 'Remain' politicians who dither and squabble. Who would you back? 

Some kind of quiet soft Brexit is by no means a given.

3 hours ago, baboon said:

I have it down as 50 / 50. The hardcore Brexiteers may get their wish yet by default. They are a determined, single-minded group who punch hard and will not relent, come what may.

 

On the other hand we have useless 'Remain' politicians who dither and squabble. Who would you back? 

Some kind of quiet soft Brexit is by no means a given.

Agreed, I don't think anyone can confidently predict the outcome from this crazy mess. Whatever happens, the fact that it has already caused huge economic and social damage to the country is in my opinion beyond doubt.