'New idea' for used car import (yes I know, will you calm down please)

[visacrack]

 

I remember what you said earlier, and I know that everybody says so, thus it can't be quite wrong - or can it?  .)  Permit me to initiate only those of you honestly interested in this issue into my latest attempt to bring some form of civilisation also into this realm of the kingdom. (In other words: Trolls, time to go now!) 

 

See, what I did was read this, then, after having taken a few deep breaths, go from there. What does it say there? Well, essentially that importing a car is frightening expensive, because Thailand wants to protect the high price level of its automobile market; but also that even if you're willing to put up with the situation as is, you are likely to lose your car, quite simply because some corrupt customs agent may confiscate your car under some laughable pretext - but who are we here to fight such abuse. Please correct me if I'm wrong. 

 

So my thought was: We all know that politicians live in their own bubble, which means they are far, and most of all detached, from reality. And of course, they want to keep it that way. So why not inform the minister about the real situation, furnish some proof of the allegations, appeal to his professional honour, pride (whatever - but maybe there's the error...), then ask him to express his regret over this situation, plus his commitment to make personally sure (through some assistant fx) that while I bring my car, everything will be done as written in the book. 

 

Of course, this was then also a good opportunity to draw his attention to the outrageous customs duty levels, plus suggest to add a formula where expats importing a used car and committing themselves to keep it 'until the end' won't have to pay that, simply because a self-owned car won't affect the local retail market. And to prevent some smart functionary from coming up with a comparable dissuasive formula - which could be demanding a 'security' for such imports until 'the end' has been proven -, my idea was to appeal to their total-surveillance society known to us, which definitely prevents every farang from getting lost, because he can fare only along a very few, narrow and predictable venues. 

 

I haven't copied or attached the message here, but if there are sufficient many suitable people interested, I might do so. Please file your applications! 

 

How did he react, you may ask? Well, the usual way - not at all, despite a reminder. I'm still convinced you can unravel any system the moment you know how it works and have established some contacts to potentially sympathetic allies. Any more suggestions? And you may wish to sleep over it before responding.

 

(Now let the rage begin, because nobody listens anyway...)

 

[HAKAPALITA]

Perhaps Millennial {Entitled} Motors Ltd can help.

[Just Weird]

So what you have done is send a message to a minister complaining about his government's policy regarding used car imports and suggested a way to change things to specifically benefit you to which you have had no reply?  Riveting stuff.

[visacrack]

Just Weird: 

 

As I said (you must have overlooked it while busy mentally preparing your replique): I confronted him with the fact that the regulations re import exist in practice only, then asked him to express his personal commitment to correct work in my case. Then there was also what you repeated, plus a little more. If you want to try again, chapters 3 and 4.

 

Have you tried to work in a hotline? You seem to be a natural talent, could make a career there. 

 

[steve187]

9 hours ago, visacrack said:

regulations re import exist in practice only

what are the actual regulations

[HAKAPALITA]

36 minutes ago, steve187 said:

what are the actual regulations

Read his previous posts, he cant understand a simple Visa Reg.

[jackdd]

22 hours ago, visacrack said:

appeal to his professional honour, pride (whatever - but maybe there's the error...), then ask him to express his regret over this situation, plus his commitment to make personally sure (through some assistant fx) that while I bring my car, everything will be done as written in the book. 

Appealing to the honour of a politician? You seem to be new to this world

Why should he regret anything? His past decisions made him more powerful than most people here will ever be.

If you want his commitment he will wonder what you have to offer to him. If he can borrow a nice watch from you this might secure you his commitment.

 

This is real life, not a dream. Every man for himself.

Edited January 11, 2019 by jackdd

[richard_smith237]

15 hours ago, visacrack said:

Just Weird: 

 

As I said (you must have overlooked it while busy mentally preparing your replique): I confronted him with the fact that the regulations re import exist in practice only, then asked him to express his personal commitment to correct work in my case. Then there was also what you repeated, plus a little more. If you want to try again, chapters 3 and 4.

 

Have you tried to work in a hotline? You seem to be a natural talent, could make a career there. 

 

 

OP: You confronted the Politician or wrote him a letter to which you received no response ?

[visacrack]

Tip to steve187 Platinum Member:

 

If you don't know the answer to your question, then you might not be in the right forum. 

[visacrack]

jackdd:

 

Does name & shame not work in the LoS? And in the way we are used to, I should add. 
 

[visacrack]

I just saw, I made a horrible mistake in this earlier post, and the mistake has been rectified this time - please read again:

 

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Just Weird: 

 

As I said (you must have overlooked it while busy mentally preparing your replique): I confronted him with the fact that the regulations re import

 

-> exist in theory [replaces erroneous 'practice'] only, <-

 

then asked him to express his personal commitment to correct work in my case. Then there was also what you repeated, plus a little more. If you want to try again, chapters 3 and 4.

 

Have you tried to work in a hotline? You seem to be a natural talent, could make a career there. 

[giddyup]

3 minutes ago, visacrack said:

jackdd:

 

Does name & shame not work in the LoS? And in the way we are used to, I should add. 
 

Where have you named and shamed him?

[Just Weird]

15 hours ago, visacrack said:

Just Weird: 

 

As I said (you must have overlooked it while busy mentally preparing your replique): I confronted him with the fact that the regulations re import exist in practice only, then asked him to express his personal commitment to correct work in my case. Then there was also what you repeated, plus a little more. If you want to try again, chapters 3 and 4.

 

Yes, I know what you posted, and, to recap because you seem to have overlooked it, what you did was send a message to a minister complaining about his government's policy regarding used car imports (which so far has had no impact on you at all because you haven't tried to import a car) and suggested a way to change things to specifically benefit you to which you have had no reply?  Riveting stuff still.

Edited January 11, 2019 by Just Weird

[richard_smith237]

6 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Yes, I know what you posted, and, to recap because you seem to have overlooked it, what you did was send a message to a minister complaining about his government's policy regarding used car imports and suggested a way to change things to specifically benefit you to which you have had no reply?  Riveting stuff still.

 

Nooooo... Don't you see it?... Its more than that... its six paragraphs and it took more effort to start the thread and write those six paragraphs which you neatly summarized in one... So you see... its his thread, you have to agree with him that his approach is a viable one.... 

Edited January 11, 2019 by richard_smith237

[faraday]

Try praying, blud.

 

[visacrack]

Just Weird:

 

It is obvious to me that you don't represent the issue as intended by me. I think that my (maybe not spoken but) written english is good enough to usually preclude any significant errors on my end. Then the question would be, is it really so that you can't describe my approach without giving it a spin, or do you do this intentionally, possibly because you're in pursuit of some hidden motive? Either way, I tend to consider you a troll (ok, a titanium troll), and your kind have been disinvited. Shoo-shoo, go away now!

 

[JAG]

6 hours ago, steve187 said:

what are the actual regulations

I don't know. 

 

Incidentally, I saw the shell of a Mk1 Cortina in a garage here last year. Now, if one was to bring in all the bits needed to fix it up, say 20 kilos at a time, every time you went back to the UK, you could probably get it up and running before he gets an answer...

Edited January 11, 2019 by JAG

[topt]

2 hours ago, visacrack said:

Tip to steve187 Platinum Member:

 

If you don't know the answer to your question, then you might not be in the right forum. 

Theoretically isn't that one of the purposes of the forums - for people to ask questions and find out stuff..........? 

[NanLaew]

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Nooooo... Don't you see it?... Its more than that... its six paragraphs and it took more effort to start the thread and write those six paragraphs which you neatly summarized in one... So you see... its his thread, you have to agree with him that his approach is a viable one.... 

I'm more for keeping it simple, just post a 'like', no comment, and move on.

[giddyup]

3 hours ago, faraday said:

Try praying, blud.

 

It worked for Prayut.

[HAKAPALITA]

Hope he dont post in the Driving Licence Donkey drivel  next, thats as long as Brexit.

[transam]

If they can't figure out a road carnage fix I can't see anyone changing anything for folk to save dosh importing a car or HP sauce..????

[taichiplanet]

i think trying to do something about importing modern cars with a tax break is next to impossible, even Malaysia's My Second Home has dropped the tax incentive for buying or importing a car. Yes, the cars available in Thailand are generally boring and/or expensive but i can put up with that for my everyday drive.

 

Probably the best chance (still a slim chance) is to first concentrate on getting the import duties on older cars lessened; e.g. 50 years or older or pre 1970. Those types of cars aren't going to affect sales for the local car industry. The Classic Car Clubs could lobby for that, but the problem is that the classic cars currently in Thailand are worth a lot more with the duties as they are, so current (and influential) owners would probably not go for it. Then, you will have to make sure that the DLT changes its laws so that the older cars can get registered by not complying to current emission laws. One way to sell it is that it is bring valuable assets into the country.

 

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to start a classic car club and get Thais and foreigners to join and lobby the Minister to reduce import duties. This message will self destruct in ten seconds. Good luck. ????

[Just Weird]

On ‎1‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 2:05 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

Nooooo... Don't you see it?... Its more than that... its six paragraphs and it took more effort to start the thread and write those six paragraphs which you neatly summarized in one... So you see... its his thread, you have to agree with him that his approach is a viable one.... 

Sarcasm, I trust (I hope!), on your part.

[Just Weird]

5 hours ago, transam said:

If they can't figure out a road carnage fix I can't see anyone changing anything for folk to save dosh importing a car or HP sauce..????

No need to import HP sauce, it's available here, fruity and original!  And yes, to pre-empt you, I have got pics.

[Just Weird]

On ‎1‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 2:08 PM, visacrack said:

Just Weird:

 

It is obvious to me that you don't represent the issue as intended by me. I think that my (maybe not spoken but) written english is good enough to usually preclude any significant errors on my end. Then the question would be, is it really so that you can't describe my approach without giving it a spin, or do you do this intentionally, possibly because you're in pursuit of some hidden motive? Either way, I tend to consider you a troll (ok, a titanium troll), and your kind have been disinvited. Shoo-shoo, go away now!

 

You're right, I do not represent the issue, you are doing that.

 

I wasn't giving your OP "spin" I was merely obtusely remarking how ridiculous your suggestion seemed to be to me (and others).  

 

If you really did what you claim, it was incredibly naïve of you to think that you would get a response unless your message was written in Thai for a kick-off.  The minister (which one did you send it to?) would not even get your message, he has staff who take care of that.  

 

Assuming that they could read it why would they bother to reply to a foreigner complaining about Thailand's laws who expected their Department to concede that their system was operated corruptly and to reassure you that, in your hypothetical case, they would do it the way you wanted it done.

 

"Either way, I tend to consider you a troll..."

You can imagine how much I care but I did notice the massive irony of that remark of yours!

[transam]

2 hours ago, Just Weird said:

No need to import HP sauce, it's available here, fruity and original!  And yes, to pre-empt you, I have got pics.

I was referring to the cost, not the availability...????....

[steve187]

On 1/11/2019 at 1:26 PM, visacrack said:

Tip to steve187 Platinum Member:

 

If you don't know the answer to your question, then you might not be in the right forum. 

so you know the regs, please pass on your superior knowledge, to someone who has read lots of these threads long before you arrived on the scene to chastice me again.

[sirineou]

On 1/11/2019 at 2:08 AM, visacrack said:

Just Weird:

 

It is obvious to me that you don't represent the issue as intended by me. I think that my (maybe not spoken but) written english is good enough to usually preclude any significant errors on my end. Then the question would be, is it really so that you can't describe my approach without giving it a spin, or do you do this intentionally, possibly because you're in pursuit of some hidden motive? Either way, I tend to consider you a troll (ok, a titanium troll), and your kind have been disinvited. Shoo-shoo, go away now!

 

First let me thank you for making an attempt to change the system, Though people think that change occurs from the force of many, most significant events in human history have being initiated by a single individual.So don't be discouraged.

   The operative word in the above sentence is "system"

Systems have  several basic components, and before you can change the system you need to devise o flowchart of all these different components and identify where to apply your resources to affect meaningful change.

Input: what you want produced

Process: how the input is produced

output: your product

monitoring: how close is your input to your output, and unforeseen consequences 

adjustment:correct deviations

Subsystems: all of the above components  contain subsystems that also contain all of the system parts, The Primary system is the locomotive, and the subsystems are the train cars, and the whole system has momentum.

    Before you affect change you need to identify where to apply pressure without derailing the whole system..

So where do you apply pressure

You wrote a letter to a minister, because to you he is the most visible part of the system, the locomotive spewing smoke and steam, but behind him are myriads of train  cars riding  along at speed, even if the  locomotive wanted to stop.........

Do you get my drift????

  Change will come, but it will be incremental , but what you did did not hurt and who knows it could even help. Don't underestimate the Butterfly effect. 

 

 

 

[Just Weird]

4 hours ago, transam said:

I was referring to the cost, not the availability...????....

Oh, yes, HP sauce is so expensive here...????...

Edited January 12, 2019 by Just Weird