nontabury Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 hours ago, aright said: you talk about EU imposing primary/treaty law in the UK The supremacy of EU laws The principle of supremacy, or primacy, describes the relationship between EU law and national law. It says that EU law should prevail if it conflicts with national law. This ensures that EU rules are applied uniformly throughout the Union. If national laws could contradict the EU treaties or laws passed by the EU institutions, there wouldn’t be this single set of rules in all member countries. Unfortunately we did not listen to those who said the same in 1975. If we had, then we would not have the conflict in our country today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, nontabury said: Unfortunately we did not listen to those who said the same in 1975. If we had, then we would not have the conflict in our country today. 1975 is irrelevent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 hours ago, aright said: Depends on what sector you are considering The impact of EU law varies from sector to sector. In many areas - public order, crime, defence, health - EU laws have minimal impact. But in others - workers' rights, trade - the impact is much greater because the single market and the free movement of workers are at the heart of what the EU is about and the substance of Brexit. The way we organise our NHS is not. Interestingly, worker's rights - labour protection - job safety/protection is an area that more and more frequently cause conflicts in Norway The big labour unions are seeing red and becoming furious too frequently. They feel strongly that EU legislation is undermining and eroding decades of established legal and well functioning practice in Norway when it comes to labour protection. Should the big unions start to go against the Labour party and the official support-EEA line the political landscape may change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebee Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/emmanuel-macron-vents-about-brexit-in-speech-to-voters-in-lyon-1-5866450 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 2 hours ago, tebee said: https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/emmanuel-macron-vents-about-brexit-in-speech-to-voters-in-lyon-1-5866450 https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/james-dellingpole-rinsed-after-stuttering-through-bbc-interview-talking-brexit-1-5866045 And from the same journal, ignorant Brexiter gets eviscerated by Andrew Neil and guests. Utter demolition job ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1975 is irrelevent It’s the reason we’re having this discussion today. If more had listened to Tony Benn we wouldn’t have stayed with the EEC and still be trying to find release from the EU now. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Loiner said: It’s the reason we’re having this discussion today. If more had listened to Tony Benn we wouldn’t have stayed with the EEC and still be trying to find release from the EU now. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app I listened to him in 75 and voted to stay out. I listened to learned economists (more learned than you or I) in 2016 and voted remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I listened to him in 75 and voted to stay out. I listened to learned economists (more learned than you or I) in 2016 and voted remain.Economists? Lol - learned lefty party lackeys and spin doctors. The same ones that forecast immediate Armageddon in case of a Leave vote? Didn’t happen did it? Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Loiner said: Economists? Lol - learned lefty party lackeys and spin doctors. The same ones that forecast immediate Armageddon in case of a Leave vote? Didn’t happen did it? Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app What makes you think that economists are "lefties"? You're showing your ignorance now, they're generally the opposite. The £ did crash, as the economists predicted. The stock market initially held up, as the economists predicted. The economists predict that, on leaving the EU, British business will take a severe hit, with a resultant loss of jobs. You'd do well to listen to them, they know a lot more than you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, Spidey said: The economists predict that, on leaving the EU, British business will take a severe hit, with a resultant loss of jobs. You'd do well to listen to them, they know a lot more than you do. Not only the economists. Literally no day without another expert issuing warnings. Airbus, Sony, medicine shortages, martial law and army available, no new FTA yet, WTO trade potentially to take 7 years to establish,... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, Spidey said: What makes you think that economists are "lefties"? You're showing your ignorance now, they're generally the opposite. The £ did crash, as the economists predicted. The stock market initially held up, as the economists predicted. The economists predict that, on leaving the EU, British business will take a severe hit, with a resultant loss of jobs. You'd do well to listen to them, they know a lot more than you do. This economist also gave a lot of predictions too. Looked what happened! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4419490/Only-two-Osborne-s-19-Brexit-forecasts-come-true.html https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/the-brexit-bounce-making-a-mockery-of-george-osbornes-project-fear/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/04/22/project-fears-brexit-predictions-wrong-100-billion-new-report/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 8 hours ago, bomber said: 1975 is irrelevent Disagree. The 875 referendum is very relevant. The points made by Tony Benn are still very relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 9 hours ago, CG1 Blue said: As opposed to your give up control mission? Just curious whether you’re consistent and actually want to take back control or just handing over control from 27 countries and the ECJ to 120+ countries and the WTO. I call your taking back control BS because it doesn’t work when you want to trade with other nations, especially not when you want to do FTA. It’s just one of the many things your typical Brexit voter doesn’t have a clue about but can perfectly be manipulated to believe the EU is evil. On 29 March, those people can celebrate that they’ve taken back control, while their economy takes a hit and their politicians negotiate who to give control next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: This economist also gave a lot of predictions too. Looked what happened! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4419490/Only-two-Osborne-s-19-Brexit-forecasts-come-true.html https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/the-brexit-bounce-making-a-mockery-of-george-osbornes-project-fear/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/04/22/project-fears-brexit-predictions-wrong-100-billion-new-report/ I wouldn't call Osbourne an economist, ex Eaton and Bullingdon club, just another chinless wonder. Anyway, according to Loiner, he can't be an economist as that profession belongs exclusively to "lefty party lackeys". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Spidey said: I wouldn't call Osbourne an economist, ex Eaton and Bullingdon club, just another chinless wonder. He was the chancellor of the economy. I agree with the rest of your post though.???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 5 hours ago, tebee said: https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/emmanuel-macron-vents-about-brexit-in-speech-to-voters-in-lyon-1-5866450 Is Toy Boy using Brexit to try to deflect his (ex) voters from their own domestic problems. I wonder? Who said Brexit could be achieved in 15 days? Where was this fleet of buses? No links. Ha ha. Just like fois de gras - inflated out of all proportion - talks about lies but at the same time telling his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 What makes you think that economists are "lefties"? You're showing your ignorance now, they're generally the opposite.LSE, the trendy lefty bastion of Bolshevik propaganda still does not produce many Tories. The lecturer for our economics modules was full weight sandal wearing muesli munching lefty. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: Just curious whether you’re consistent and actually want to take back control or just handing over control from 27 countries and the ECJ to 120+ countries and the WTO. I call your taking back control BS because it doesn’t work when you want to trade with other nations, especially not when you want to do FTA. It’s just one of the many things your typical Brexit voter doesn’t have a clue about but can perfectly be manipulated to believe the EU is evil. On 29 March, those people can celebrate that they’ve taken back control, while their economy takes a hit and their politicians negotiate who to give control next. How can anyone compare the influence of the WTO to that of the EU? Rabid rabid.???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Spidey said: What makes you think that economists are "lefties"? You're showing your ignorance now, they're generally the opposite. The £ did crash, as the economists predicted. The stock market initially held up, as the economists predicted. The economists predict that, on leaving the EU, British business will take a severe hit, with a resultant loss of jobs. You'd do well to listen to them, they know a lot more than you do. dunno what it looks like today but back in the 70s when I went to UNI in Scotland my perception was that LSE was considered rather left/radical leaning but of course, economists pop out everywhere, not only from LSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 your correct,but what many leave voters didnt realise is the asylum seeker is different to the EU economic worker,who come to work usually for minimum wage,the asylum seeker has no interest in working and paying tax and only to scrounge,this was not stated in the leave campaign. They’re pretty easy to spot really. You can see immediately whenever you pass the benefits office. Asylums are in for the full monty. Eurotrash will sign up for minimum hours on minimum wage, plus the all important benefits and universal credits etc.The Leave campaign quite rightly showed the long queues of Merkel’s guests. Her very own species of scrounger, who would all be over to the UK at the drop of a hat. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 14 hours ago, 7by7 said: The link is there; as I said it's the underlined words in blue. It does reinforce you point about backlogs; at least it did 9 years ago. But it shows your follow up to be completely false. BTW, I've been off work sick for the last two weeks so had plenty of time to fill. But I'm back to work tomorrow, so will have far less time to devote to this forum. No doubt you and your fellows wont miss me. I'm sure you will find enough time to post, so we don't get too lonely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG1 Blue Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Loiner said: They’re pretty easy to spot really. You can see immediately whenever you pass the benefits office. Asylums are in for the full monty. Eurotrash will sign up for minimum hours on minimum wage, plus the all important benefits and universal credits etc. The Leave campaign quite rightly showed the long queues of Merkel’s guests. Her very own species of scrounger, who would all be over to the UK at the drop of a hat. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app You hit the nail on the head. Once those non-EU migrants have their EU passports they'll be free to come to the generous UK. So the famous Farage poster does have more relevance than Remainers would have us believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG1 Blue Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said: Just curious whether you’re consistent and actually want to take back control or just handing over control from 27 countries and the ECJ to 120+ countries and the WTO. I call your taking back control BS because it doesn’t work when you want to trade with other nations, especially not when you want to do FTA. It’s just one of the many things your typical Brexit voter doesn’t have a clue about but can perfectly be manipulated to believe the EU is evil. On 29 March, those people can celebrate that they’ve taken back control, while their economy takes a hit and their politicians negotiate who to give control next. Can you tell me how much control Japan has over the EU, or how much control Canada has over the EU? FTAs signed, so according to you logic the EU has given up control to those countries. What you should do is read up about the difference between FTAs and trading blocs (which is what we originally signed up to; i.e. the Common Market), and ever closer political union, i.e. the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said: You hit the nail on the head. Once those non-EU migrants have their EU passports they'll be free to come to the generous UK. So the famous Farage poster does have more relevance than Remainers would have us believe. This is a real possibility, especially if some of the EU countries start dishing out passports as a means of getting the migrants to move on (to the UK). I would agree that all civilized countries should share responsibility to offer shelter (possibly permanent) to genuine refugees and asylum-seekers who are in real danger, for any reason. However, the term "refugee" has been misused extensively to include economic migrants, who form the vast majority of this influx and are trafficked by organised groups in Europe, the Near East and Africa. The people we see in the Calais jungle are, mainly not, fleeing from any threat of death or harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Loiner said: Economists? Lol - learned lefty party lackeys and spin doctors. The same ones that forecast immediate Armageddon in case of a Leave vote? Didn’t happen did it? Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app UK dropped from top and above germany in the GDP table of 7 to 2nd bottom above italy...pound sunk and inflation rose..house prices stalled,worse to come if/when we leave.it will take 2-4 years to kick in, companies cannot do it in weeks/months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 6 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said: This economist also gave a lot of predictions too. Looked what happened! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4419490/Only-two-Osborne-s-19-Brexit-forecasts-come-true.html https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/the-brexit-bounce-making-a-mockery-of-george-osbornes-project-fear/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/04/22/project-fears-brexit-predictions-wrong-100-billion-new-report/ the mail claims only 2 were correct,then uses only 4 examples,one claims good GDP figures yet we went from 2nd to sixth so thats BS,and i dont see how cutting rates from from 0,5% to 0.25% points to a strong economy,it is what happens when the economy needs a boost not booming,anyway with the rate at 0.5% the tools to boost in the forthcoming economy and sparce,good luck mr carney your going to need it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nontabury Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 7 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said: Not only the economists. Literally no day without another expert issuing warnings. Airbus, Sony, medicine shortages, martial law and army available, no new FTA yet, WTO trade potentially to take 7 years to establish,... Project fear.Mk2 We did not join the Euro, In spite of all the dire predictions, from all the so called experts. These same experts failed to see the 2008 Economic crisis. 2016, Project Fear.Mk 1 failed to materialize. What will happen on the Economic front,after Brexit. No one knows,as it’s all guess work. However on the political front,sovereignty we do know for 100% certainty that things can only improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 25 minutes ago, nontabury said: Project fear.Mk2 We did not join the Euro, In spite of all the dire predictions, from all the so called experts. These same experts failed to see the 2008 Economic crisis. 2016, Project Fear.Mk 1 failed to materialize. What will happen on the Economic front,after Brexit. No one knows,as it’s all guess work. However on the political front,sovereignty we do know for 100% certainty that things can only improve. finally you have admitted you dont know whats going to happen,so its a total gamble,the facts are several of project fear mk1s predictions did happen,same as several if not more will happen with a no deal,also this fear of a EU army was never mentioned in the campaign yet it claims no 6 spot in the list,at 5 we have the mighty fishing industry,which i would think 99.9% of leave coulndnt give a fkuc,i still havent had a reply to which EU laws offend you,this is now about the 7th request i have made,it seems there arent any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 39 minutes ago, nontabury said: Project fear.Mk2 We did not join the Euro, In spite of all the dire predictions, from all the so called experts. These same experts failed to see the 2008 Economic crisis. 2016, Project Fear.Mk 1 failed to materialize. What will happen on the Economic front,after Brexit. No one knows,as it’s all guess work. However on the political front,sovereignty we do know for 100% certainty that things can only improve. another point,now its a WTO brexit before it was just plain brexit,even Bojo is saying a deal isnt to far away,his attitude since winning has changed hugely,didnt have the balls to be tory leader,he knows Labour will stroll in and brexit is a farce,he had nothing to gain and everything to lose,a total fraud of a man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, bomber said: another point,now its a WTO brexit before it was just plain brexit,even Bojo is saying a deal isnt to far away,his attitude since winning has changed hugely,didnt have the balls to be tory leader,he knows Labour will stroll in and brexit is a farce,he had nothing to gain and everything to lose,a total fraud of a man judging from what you say, bojo ain't no fraud but rather sensible, nothing to gain - lots to lose - stay away - sound in my book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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