Trump proposes wall-for-DACA in bid to end U.S. government shutdown

[keemapoot]

Just now, Jingthing said:

I'm embarrassed being a nationality that put such a criminally corrupt race baiting white nationalist con man demagogue as our top leader. The president is supposed to be one of our best. He's one the lowest human beings of any nationality that can even be imagined. The idea that any reasoned person would support him is horrifying. I'll feel better if he doesn't totally trash our democratic institutions and we get rid of him with those institutions intact. No guarantees. 

And, I'm willing to bet that you never felt such embarrassment at any President before this one. Oh, sure there were some that weren't too great (Carter), or even big screw ups, like George W., but never, not once in my life did I not hold the office in the most utmost esteem. Trump has besmirched every child's conception of how dignified, respectful, wise, kind and caring the image of the President is.

 

I was in third grade when Kennedy died. I'll never forget to my dying day how every child, teacher, and employee of the school gathered in the school yard around the half-mast flag and there was not one dry eye. The nation mourned together Republican and Democrat.

 

I envision the same thing when Trump passes, there won't be one dry eye, but they will be tears of joy.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, keemapoot said:

And, I'm willing to bet that you never felt such embarrassment at any President before this one. Oh, sure there were some that weren't too great (Carter), or even big screw ups, like George W., but never, not once in my life did I not hold the office in the most utmost esteem. Trump has besmirched every child's conception of how dignified, respectful, wise, kind and caring the image of the President is.

 

I was in third grade when Kennedy died. I'll never forget to my dying day how every child, teacher, and employee of the school gathered in the school yard around the half-mast flag and there was not one dry eye. The nation mourned together Republican and Democrat.

 

I envision the same thing when Trump passes, there won't be one dry eye, but they will be tears of joy.

Thank you. I could have written that post and I had the exact same experience as a young boy upon the assassination of JFK. 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, keemapoot said:

And, I'm willing to bet that you never felt such embarrassment at any President before this one. Oh, sure there were some that weren't too great (Carter), or even big screw ups, like George W., but never, not once in my life did I not hold the office in the most utmost esteem. Trump has besmirched every child's conception of how dignified, respectful, wise, kind and caring the image of the President is.

 

I was in third grade when Kennedy died. I'll never forget to my dying day how every child, teacher, and employee of the school gathered in the school yard around the half-mast flag and there was not one dry eye. The nation mourned together Republican and Democrat.

 

I envision the same thing when Trump passes, there won't be one dry eye, but they will be tears of joy.

One of only two occasions I saw my father cry.

[Thainesss]

1 minute ago, Becker said:

Take a chill pill dude, you come across as both hysterical and paranoid.

 

Gaslighting. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, Thainesss said:

 

Gaslighting. 

You clearly don't know the meaning of that word.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Thainesss said:

 

Gaslighting. 

You need to educate yourself on what ‘gaslighting’ means.

 

For the second time today you’ve broadcast your ignorance.

[utalkin2me]

He is dreaming. This is bringing down his entire presidency big. 

 

Try build the wall for him resigning and you may have something. 

[Becker]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

You need to educate yourself on what ‘gaslighting’ means.

 

For the second time today you’ve broadcast your ignorance.

Well, to be fair he is a Trump supporter.

[Spidey]

19 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

No he isnt, and neither am I. 

Do you want a list of all the racist things he has said and done? I'm sure you don't as you know already but will no doubt call it fake news.

 

You can hide from the facts but they won't hide from you.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Becker said:

Well, to be fair he is a Trump supporter.

Good point. Maybe deserving of a participation prize? Being able to type some words ain't chopped liver, you know? Also keep in mind that not all posters here are native English speakers. We've even got some from Russia. 

[racket]

14 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Except the drugs are mostly entering through official and already controlled ports of entry:

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/01/16/fact-check-mike-pence-donald-trump-drugs-crossing-southern-border-wall/2591279002/

 

How do you control uncontrolled territory and what data will you eventually collect from that? - ZERO!. The only drugs going through that point of entry will be the only thing collected as well since there're nobody overseeing the the rest of an uncontrolled border. If we erect the wall we can at least add more resources to the ports of entry instead of having our patrol agents pretending to walk the desert.

 

Democrats have voted for wall funding in the past, and many democratic lawmakers have gone on tv and said it works. So what makes them so unhappy now? Believe it or not, it's all political: democrats have always relied on new votes from immigrants while republicans and big businesses love the cheap labour. On top of that, you have the smugglers and the bankers who lobby for a weak border. Think of all the criminals who will go bankrupt when the wall is there. This should have been done a long time ago but Washington is mainly just talk but doesn't walk. 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

He is dreaming. This is bringing down his entire presidency big. 

 

Try build the wall for him resigning and you may have something. 

We really do need to get ahead of the game and organize the ‘Bye Bye Trump Party’.

 

We of course should invite Illiberals, just for the fun of it.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, racket said:

 

How do you control uncontrolled territory and what data will you eventually collect from that? - ZERO!. The only drugs going through that point of entry will be the only thing collected as well since there're nobody overseeing the the rest of an uncontrolled border. If we erect the wall we can at least add more resources to the ports of entry instead of having our patrol agents pretending to walk the desert.

 

Democrats have voted for wall funding in the past, and many democratic lawmakers have gone on tv and said it works. So what makes them so unhappy now? Believe it or not, it's all political: democrats have always relied on new votes from immigrants while republicans and big businesses love the cheap labour. On top of that, you have the smugglers and the bankers who lobby for a weak border. Think of all the criminals who will go bankrupt when the wall is there. This should have been done a long time ago but Washington is mainly just talk but doesn't walk. 

 

 

I’ll tell you something even more recent.

 

Republicans in both House and Senate passed the Government Finance Bill.

 

Trump refused to sign it.

 

Now MacConnell refuses to pass the same bill to the Senate.

 

It’s political.

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, racket said:

How do you control uncontrolled territory and what data will you eventually collect from that? - ZERO!. The only drugs going through that point of entry will be the only thing collected as well since there're nobody overseeing the the rest of an uncontrolled border. If we erect the wall we can at least add more resources to the ports of entry instead of having our patrol agents pretending to walk the desert.

Fake news, no doubt. 

 

It never ceases to amaze me how Trump supporters can deny irrefutable facts because it doesn't fit their little rose tinted world of Trump adoration.

 

Do tyourself a favour, find someone who is worthy of your adoration. Trump ain't, not by a measured mile.

[keemapoot]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

Some very fine people on both sides was a quote ! The rest is propaganda made up by the TDS kool aid drinkers

Of course we all know the quote. That quote is the outrageous thing everyone was astounded by. Nobody could believe a US President would make such an equivocating and pandering statement to appease a racist base.

[Spidey]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

Some very fine people on both sides was a quote ! The rest is propaganda made up by the TDS kool aid drinkers

The quote itself was enough for me. Yep, some very nice people in a white supremacists march.

 

So nice that one of their number murdered a woman peacefully protesting against their public vileness.

[riclag]

2 minutes ago, keemapoot said:

Of course we all know the quote. That quote is the outrageous thing everyone was astounded by. Nobody could believe a US President would make such an equivocating and pandering statement to appease a racist base.

The president isn't a racist or what ever the tds'ers spew! Yes, he is rich guy non politician that seen 50 years of status quo polices that put American's in this position !  What a mess he inherited!PT is doing this for team America not  the team that support any other countries people's that want to enter my country illegally! 

[sirineou]

11 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Posting material that you know to be false is against forum rules. We all know the Dems were all for a wall - before Trump wanted one and the rest is history. You can not change the past because it doesn't suit present political biases. As a friendly reminder of what you already know :-

 

Hillary Clinton "I voted, when I was a Senator, to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in...” 2015

 

Barack Obama ""We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States, undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently, diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country."

 

 Hillary Clinton "I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in. And I do think you have to control your borders." 2015

 

Chuck Schumer “Illegal Immigration is wrong, plain and simple. Until the American people are convinced we will stop future flows of illegal immigration, we will make no progress.” 2009

 

 

You do realise that even though all walls are barriers not all barriers are walls? 

I thought you said " Posting material that you know to be false is against forum rules." so you are either braking forum rules, or you are very confused and don't realise the above. 

Which one is it?

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, riclag said:

The president isn't a racist or what ever the tds'ers spew! Yes, he is rich guy non politician that seen 50 years of status quo polices that put American's in this position !  What a mess he inherited!PT is doing this for team America not  the team that support any other countries people's that want to enter my country illegally! 

You might have guessed but Incase you have not, I’m not a Trump supporter.

 

However I do occasionally (very occasionally) come across what I regard unwarranted criticism of Trump. Such criticisms usually refer to his age/weight/looks/mental state.

 

So even for an avowed Trump critic like myself there are some criticisms that are worthy of challenge.

 

You however chose this evening to complain about criticism of Trump’s support for neo-Nazis/white supremacist.

 

In doing so you’e told us a great deal about yourself.

 

None of it anything to be proud of.

[farcanell]

2 hours ago, Thainesss said:

2 hours ago, farcanell said:

????????????

dems support immigration control.... name one that does not.

 

Any Democrat that refers to illegal aliens as "immigrants" in the context of border control, knowingly and for the sole purpose of making republicans look racist and accusing them of being anti immigrant, and who refuses to vote yes on a comprehensive border control package that includes walls which keeps the government shut down - is a Democrat that is open borders, and doesn't support border control. 

 

And that would be just about every single one of them. Take your pick from any of the top 20. Or 30. 

Right.... so there’s my question at the top.... very clear... very specific..... name one democrat that does not support immigration control.

 

followed by your... your... I’m not sure what.... pathetic rant (again) about liberals, perhaps...  but with absolutely no mention of a name... not one, even though I was giving you a clean shot.

 

Ok..... but this then justifiably leads me to assume that you cannot name a single democratic politician who does not support immigration control... or rather, that there is actually not a single democratic politician who does not support immigration, otherwise I’m thinking you would have bounced all over my post like an orange-utang in a bouncy castle.

 

I asked for a name so I could fact check.... I know... trumpists don’t like fact checking, but then, I don’t like liars, which is the crux of my issue with trump, vs his politics. Mistakes are cool, we all make them, but to persistently spread falsehoods and lies is not

 

anyway... like trump, you spewed unsubstantiated rubbish... again, when you really should have stayed silent... lol... much like trump should stay silent, but cannot.

 

Bob dylan nailed it with this little refrain;

”Idiot Wind”

 

“Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your mouth

Blowing down the backroads heading south

idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth

your an idiot, babe

its a wonder that you still know how to breath.”

 

And now, a name, if you please, just one.

[Scott]

Continued nonsense, off-topic, troll posts will earn suspensions.   Stalking members is NOT permitted.   Personal commentary is off-topic and posting of memes which are false and not humorous have been removed.

 

Stay on topic or face a suspension.  

 

[EVENKEEL]

9 minutes ago, farcanell said:

Right.... so there’s my question at the top.... very clear... very specific..... name one democrat that does not support immigration control.

 

followed by your... your... I’m not sure what.... pathetic rant (again) about liberals, perhaps...  but with absolutely no mention of a name... not one, even though I was giving you a clean shot.

 

Ok..... but this then justifiably leads me to assume that you cannot name a single democratic politician who does not support immigration control... or rather, that there is actually not a single democratic politician who does not support immigration, otherwise I’m thinking you would have bounced all over my post like an orange-utang in a bouncy castle.

 

I asked for a name so I could fact check.... I know... trumpists don’t like fact checking, but then, I don’t like liars, which is the crux of my issue with trump, vs his politics. Mistakes are cool, we all make them, but to persistently spread falsehoods and lies is not

 

anyway... like trump, you spewed unsubstantiated rubbish... again, when you really should have stayed silent... lol... much like trump should stay silent, but cannot.

 

Bob dylan nailed it with this little refrain;

”Idiot Wind”

 

“Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your mouth

Blowing down the backroads heading south

idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth

your an idiot, babe

its a wonder that you still know how to breath.”

 

And now, a name, if you please, just one.

That's the craziness of all this. I've heard many congressman say they are in favor of additional border barriers in key areas which is EXACTLY what Trump is advocating. nancy and chuckie are the problems. Eliminate them from discussion and a deal could happen now.

[farcanell]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Thank you. I could have written that post and I had the exact same experience as a young boy upon the assassination of JFK. 

@keemapoot

We didn’t gather round the flag post in Australia.... but we were just as stunned by the deed. It wasn’t just America, it was civilization itself that was robbed. That day the clock stood still.

 

[farcanell]

22 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

That's the craziness of all this. I've heard many congressman say they are in favor of additional border barriers in key areas which is EXACTLY what Trump is advocating. nancy and chuckie are the problems. Eliminate them from discussion and a deal could happen now.

Once is see trump proudly displaying his signature on a deal which details “additional barriers in key areas”, with an agreed and negotiated written plan, vs his current rhetoric, which seems to suggest that the entire border needs a Great Wall.... then I’ll advocate right there along side you, as border security must always figure prominently in any nations security policy... always

 

That said, I believe any proposal about the intricacies of border security policy should originate from the “experts” (military leaders,etc but also including constitutional and immigration lawyers and the like) , and that this then should be given to the president to act upon.

 

hadrians wall.... the danvirk wall... the Great Wall.... even offas dike..... these were all built by autocrats, in a time of autocrats.

 

This time now upon us is not a time of autocrats, but rather it’s a time to sustain the fight against autocratic rule.

[Silurian]

Heck, just give Donald a mile long, 30 foot tall wall with "TRUMP'S WALL" blazoned in large gold letters so red hatters can take selfies and rub one out on it. Make it a National Monument as a tribute to the 38% of the populous consisting of xenophobic 'mericans (aka. "the base").

 

That should about solve it.

 

 

[EVENKEEL]

25 minutes ago, farcanell said:

Once is see trump proudly displaying his signature on a deal which details “additional barriers in key areas”, with an agreed and negotiated written plan, vs his current rhetoric, which seems to suggest that the entire border needs a Great Wall.... then I’ll advocate right there along side you, as border security must always figure prominently in any nations security policy... always

 

That said, I believe any proposal about the intricacies of border security policy should originate from the “experts” (military leaders,etc but also including constitutional and immigration lawyers and the like) , and that this then should be given to the president to act upon.

 

hadrians wall.... the danvirk wall... the Great Wall.... even offas dike..... these were all built by autocrats, in a time of autocrats.

 

This time now upon us is not a time of autocrats, but rather it’s a time to sustain the fight against autocratic rule.

That's exactly what he's advocating. A barrier in key areas. "The Great Wall" is something the far, far, far left are chanting without listening to what Trump is saying NOW. Pelosi has denied any funding at all for any kind of additional barrier. 

[utalkin2me]

It would honestly be worth letting him build it just to see the first video of some coyotes defeating the wall with a $10 homemade ladder. 

[farcanell]

13 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

That's exactly what he's advocating. A barrier in key areas. "The Great Wall" is something the far, far, far left are chanting without listening to what Trump is saying NOW. Pelosi has denied any funding at all for any kind of additional barrier. 

Yep.... once they produce a workable plan to present to congress, vs accepting words, my POV will change. (Or rather, concur) 

 

Unfortunately, due to the amount of backflips already done by trump, his word is not good enough for most.... he needs to demonstrate some goodwill to earn goodwill

 

if he’s genuine... open the government sans border security dept funding, and negotiate on that, whilst a plan is properly approved.... he can still call a state of emergency (more genuinely so) if dems refuse subsequent negotiations... and he’ll probably then have the high ground, to boot

[samran]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

That's the craziness of all this. I've heard many congressman say they are in favor of additional border barriers in key areas which is EXACTLY what Trump is advocating. nancy and chuckie are the problems. Eliminate them from discussion and a deal could happen now.

He had a majority in both houses for 2 years. What stopped him getting his border wall money then? 

[Thainesss]

28 minutes ago, sirineou said:

By any metric Illegal immigration is way down and not an issue of any consequence, But trump can't get out of Campaign mode for reasons i don't want to get into..

 

That graph doesn't even remotely indicate "way down" and the entire premise of your post completely ignores ineligible asylum claims bogging the system down, drug trafficking, human trafficking, child trafficking, criminal movement and criminal reentry, and the combined costs of all this across local, state, and federal jurisdictions over all those years, hospital costs that never get paid for, taxes that aren't being paid, money that has moved out of the economy  

 

Hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars.