UK's Labour says it will back call for second Brexit referendum

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1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

OK I'm not falling into the trap - this was a joke right?- I mean no one could possibly be stupid enough to imagine that the peoples march was made up of continentals. It is well documented that the buses etc, came from all over the UK. But in the same spirit I am looking forward to seeing the Gammons collapsing from exhaustion one by one as they pass Chester Le Street. It may do them a favour as they certainly appear to need the exercise. Few of them are fit (No pun intended) to lick the boots of the real heroes of the Jarrow march. (1936).

From the interviews with remain demonstrators there were a lot of exotic accents - maybe there were all from Jarrow?

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 minutes ago, nauseus said:

From the interviews with remain demonstrators there were a lot of exotic accents - maybe there were all from Jarrow?

Exotic accents must be a pretty scary thing for the average Brexiteer. Did they even look exotic? You better run and call Tommy Racisson.

 

 

 

Edited March 2, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

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54 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Why would the "morons" bother to explain to you?

 

So they're not as polite as remainers then?

 

Firstly, your ears are closed. You are blinkered. EU = good. Brexit = bad.

 

Just as all Brexiteers ears are closed and they are blinkered. Brexit=good, EU=bad.

 

Secondly, they were asked whether they wanted to leave or remain in the EU. They replied that they wanted to leave. They don't have to justify their decision to you or anyone.

 

Or themselves as it's pretty impossible to justify. Probably why brexiteers never answer that question, just deflect by attacking remainers when asked the question.

Same old question that has been answered a hundred times - bored! 

[Spidey]

Just now, nauseus said:

Same old question that has been answered a hundred times - bored! 

Bored or no idea what the answer is?

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Just now, welovesundaysatspace said:

Exotic accents must be a pretty scary thing for the average Brexiteer. Did they even look exotic? You better run and call Tommy Racisson.

 

 

 

Less scary than strange and funny. Some of them looked very exotic. Many were complete ranting lunatics.

 

If you mean Robinson he's not in my list. I have the number for the Radisson though.

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2 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Bored or no idea what the answer is?

Bored.

[tomacht8]

8 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

You're wrong, I do get it. Yes we have representation in these EU bodies, but that is not the same as having full control over spending our money. Do you get it? 

Over 99% of their GDP the UK has full control. The net contribution of the UK into the EU pot is less than 1% of the UK GDP. 

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Just now, tomacht8 said:

Over 99% of their GDP the UK has full control. The net contribution of the UK into the EU pot is less than 1% of the UK GDP. 

Remainers just cannot get it the Brexit vote was not primarily about bloody money. They just can't.

[dick dasterdly]

17 hours ago, Grouse said:

I can imagine what the organisers say, but what do the morons actually want? <snip>

 

I hope they all have mittens sewn into their coats so they don't get a chill

 

1 hour ago, rixalex said:

"Why would the "morons" bother to explain to you?"

 

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1 hour ago, Spidey said:

Why would the "morons" bother to explain to you?

 

So they're not as polite as remainers then?

 

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I've snipped parts of all the quoted posts as I'm only responding to "So they're not as polite as remainers then?".

 

(I hope this is ok as I certainly didn't intend to change the context of any post.)

 

Spidey - Do you seriously think that Grouse's original post that elicited Rivalex's response was "polite"??? ????

Edited March 2, 2019 by dick dasterdly

[Loiner]

22 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Remainers just cannot get it the Brexit vote was not primarily about bloody money. They just can't.

Except the contribution. Net 8 Billion quit that should stay in the UK.

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1 minute ago, Loiner said:

Except the contribution. Net 8 Billion quit that should stay in the UK.

Not a primary concern but even this was liable to rise soon. 

[evadgib]

Farage makes some good points here, particularly around the 15 min mark to bring this board back on topic:

 

[Spidey]

1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said:

Spidey - Do you seriously think that Grouse's original post that elicited Rivalex's response was "polite"??? ????

Yep you certainly snipped that one!

I was saying that if "the morons" grouse's words not mine, meaning Brexiteers, wouldn't bother explaining to a remainer why they voted Brexit, that would be impolite. I, a remainer, would always do the curtesy of explaining to a brexiteer why I voted remain, if asked.

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7 hours ago, Grouse said:

And still No10 supports Grayling! Is he doing something for May?

he is a brexit supporter  and is also behind the £100billion HS2 fiasco,the total cost of brexit up to now wouldnt fit on the side of a red bus

[Becker]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

Except the contribution. Net 8 Billion quit that should stay in the UK.

Yes, and in return for that you get unfettered access to an enormous market right on your doorstep.

I'd say that's a sweet deal, especially considering the fact that those big, beautiful trade deals with other markets just isn't happening.

In fact, by signing new deals with the US, Japan etc you will have been forced into worse deals than before since just about everyone would be able to bend you over a barrel, and that means you've lost independence, not gained it.

Sad.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/01/business/us-uk-trade-deal-brexit/index.html

 

 

Edited March 2, 2019 by Becker

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2 hours ago, nauseus said:

Remainers just cannot get it the Brexit vote was not primarily about bloody money. They just can't.

it was primarily about immigration,but that barely got a mention in the following 2.5 year after the majority of the nation and 80% of MPs realised it will be a disaster.

[tebee]

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2 minutes ago, Becker said:

Yes, and in return for that you get unfettered access to an enormous market right on your doorstep.

I'd say that's a sweet deal, especially considering those big, beautiful trade deals with other markets just isn't happening.

In fact, by signing new deals with the US, Japan etc you will have been forced into worse deals than before since just about everyone would be able to bend you over a barrel, and that means you've lost independence, not gained it.

Sad.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/01/business/us-uk-trade-deal-brexit/index.html

 

 

spot on,the deals with the US,Japan etc aint happening anytime soon and even if they did they wont favour the UK,never mind we have 6 in place with Palastine,faroe islands,chile,switzerland and 2 other nobodies ive forgotten,we were told it would be a piece of cake,hahahahaha we must of choked on it.

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6 minutes ago, bomber said:

it was primarily about immigration,but that barely got a mention in the following 2.5 year after the majority of the nation and 80% of MPs realised it will be a disaster.

Your view. Mine is that the main issues were sovereignty plus the prospect of what the EU will become in the future. Anyone that looks back at the evolution of the EU can see the trends.

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8 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

At least those marching will be from the UK not a group of Europeans on a jolly outing for the peoples march in London.

if farage delays the march 4 or 5 years there will be 25000 extra turkeys to march with him after Nissan moves out,if they go down the A1 they can do a spot of tattie picking training en-route in Lincolnshire ready for filling the gap left by our eastern european friends,

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1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Your view. Mine is that the main issues were sovereignty plus the prospect of what the EU will become in the future. Anyone that looks back at the evolution of the EU can see the trends.

your paranoid,you shouldnt be at your age,the germans wont take your pension and your local chippy isnt going to get bombed,the EU is going to collapse anyway so you keep saying,i wish you would make your mind up,is it or isnt it

[tebee]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

Except the contribution. Net 8 Billion quit that should stay in the UK.

But though the government may save 8 billion, companies and people in the UK end up paying much more than that, just in smaller chunks to you don't see it.

 

After leaving, every export shipment from the UK to the EU will need export paperwork and you'll need to employ customs agents to process it, even if there is zero import tariffs.

 

Every imported vegetable in the supermarket will cost you more because the supermarket has had to pay the importer more to cover their paperwork costs. 

 

It's like cutting up your Costco card to save £50 a year membership when you spend £10,000 a week there.   

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22 minutes ago, bomber said:

your paranoid,you shouldnt be at your age,the germans wont take your pension and your local chippy isnt going to get bombed,the EU is going to collapse anyway so you keep saying,i wish you would make your mind up,is it or isnt it

Your view again and. as before, all wrong. You don't know my age, my pension expectations, or even if I have a local chippy and I am certainly not paranoid. An EU collapse is certainly a possibility, so the UK would be a lot better out before that happens. 

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3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Your view again and. as before, all wrong. You don't know my age, my pension expectations, or even if I have a local chippy and I am certainly not paranoid. An EU collapse is certainly a possibility, so the UK would be a lot better out before that happens. 

If it went down surely the UK would rise from the ashes it being so resilient as you lot keep telling us.

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, Becker said:

Yes, and in return for that you get unfettered access to an enormous market right on your doorstep.

I'd say that's a sweet deal, especially considering the fact that those big, beautiful trade deals with other markets just isn't happening.

In fact, by signing new deals with the US, Japan etc you will have been forced into worse deals than before since just about everyone would be able to bend you over a barrel, and that means you've lost independence, not gained it.

Sad.

 

Despite Project Fear predictions, trade will not stop after Brexit. Trade is made by business and industry, not government. 8 billion per year and increasing, is not a sweet deal at all, for something that will carry on whether we are in or out.

 

Nobody will be over a barrel when we are independence, so long as we can always walk away from any negotiation with No Deal if we want.

Happy.

[nontabury]

5 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

OK I'm not a wage/salary slave, I'm self employed, but I want my money back!

 

But yet your quite happy to see your money end up in Brussels. For the benefit of citizens of the E.u.  Instead of it remaining in the U.k for the benefits of your fellow Brits.

If you are not British, which is possible, from reading your post. Then I apologize for my comment.

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

But though the government may save 8 billion, companies and people in the UK end up paying much more than that, just in smaller chunks to you don't see it.

 

After leaving, every export shipment from the UK to the EU will need export paperwork and you'll need to employ customs agents to process it, even if there is zero import tariffs.

 

Every imported vegetable in the supermarket will cost you more because the supermarket has had to pay the importer more to cover their paperwork costs. 

 

It's like cutting up your Costco card to save £50 a year membership when you spend £10,000 a week there.   

There is nothing to see in how much trade will be affected. Not until we are actually out, because all your forecasts come with a political agenda or experts who don't actually know anything. It's uncharted waters, but it will be up to the government to make the best of it and all the new possibilities.

Extra paperwork? No, probably just the same with some different numbers in the percent box. Employ extra customs agents? Probably not again - it's the same trade as is currently crossing the borders, so the same number of staff. If there was to be some extra employment opportunities, that's not a problem, but according to Remainers' logic trade will collapse and nothing will move, so it could be less customs agents. Which do you prefer?

Imported vegetables will not necessarily cost extra, that really depends on what tariff we put on them. Prices should actually reduce as we buy more from outside the protectionist racket of the EU and it's tariffs on other countries products.

Welcome to the "Big Wide World Trading Club", it's cheaper than our EU competitor and your new membership card is attached.  

[aright]

On 2/26/2019 at 8:41 AM, aright said:

Nontabury…...We will of course live in a democracy when we leave the EU.

Of course, if we stay in we will continue to be in the grip of the Lisbon Treaty (do you remember that one....it was the one Gordon Brown signed without asking us if we approved and you are right, I fear history is repeating itself). As a result we would not be able to make our own trade deals, set our own tariffs, set our own trade quotas, control our fishing rights, not be in full control of our taxation policy, not be in full control of our borders, the judicial  system, international and national policy, aviation and sea lane jurisdiction, etc.

Remainers, of course, would see this as a fair trade off for buying a Japanese car made in the UK. 

 

I gave my reasons for leaving in the above post which I am sure many Leavers would endorse so it gives no credence to your claim we never answer the question.

5 hours ago, Spidey said:

Why would the "morons" bother to explain to you?

 

So they're not as polite as remainers then?

 

Firstly, your ears are closed. You are blinkered. EU = good. Brexit = bad.

 

Just as all Brexiteers ears are closed and they are blinkered. Brexit=good, EU=bad.

 

Secondly, they were asked whether they wanted to leave or remain in the EU. They replied that they wanted to leave. They don't have to justify their decision to you or anyone.

 

Or themselves as it's pretty impossible to justify. Probably why brexiteers never answer that question, just deflect by attacking remainers when asked the question.

Perhaps you could now give your reasons why you want to stay in a bureaucratic superstate  which has bailouts in contravention of the Maastricht Treaty, mass youth unemployment, target  2 imbalances, German surplus outside the rules, impending Italian default, low growth, corruption, waste, an internal currency which only truly benefits one country, unaudited accounts, a migrant crisis, transit camps for those migrants with papers at the Austrian border, a member who freeloads on Nato defence, but, against Union rules gets a sweetheart deal on energy which is not available to other members.........…….etc 

 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Loiner said:

There is nothing to see in how much trade will be affected. Not until we are actually out, because all your forecasts come with a political agenda or experts who don't actually know anything. It's uncharted waters, but it will be up to the government to make the best of it and all the new possibilities.

Extra paperwork? No, probably just the same with some different numbers in the percent box. Employ extra customs agents? Probably not again - it's the same trade as is currently crossing the borders, so the same number of staff. If there was to be some extra employment opportunities, that's not a problem, but according to Remainers' logic trade will collapse and nothing will move, so it could be less customs agents. Which do you prefer?

Imported vegetables will not necessarily cost extra, that really depends on what tariff we put on them. Prices should actually reduce as we buy more from outside the protectionist racket of the EU and it's tariffs on other countries products.

Welcome to the "Big Wide World Trading Club", it's cheaper than our EU competitor and your new membership card is attached.  

no deal alone will make imports more expensive as the will drop,then add on the paperwork/extra customs costs,its a no brainer and nothing to do with project fear its basic economics and reality that even the clowns in the BoE can see unlike the dreamer brexiteers. 

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23 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Despite Project Fear predictions, trade will not stop after Brexit. Trade is made by business and industry, not government. 8 billion per year and increasing, is not a sweet deal at all, for something that will carry on whether we are in or out.

 

Nobody will be over a barrel when we are independence, so long as we can always walk away from any negotiation with No Deal if we want.

Happy.

your dream of a no deal is slim,too many experts,businesses and MPs dont want it,8 billion is a small price to pay considering the damage it would cause,its took 2.5 years to sink in but we are getting there at last,the dream has probably cost the UK more than 8 billion pounds and inflicted 17 million broken hearts on the dreamers,never mind you wont get another chance again at your age.