If your Thai wife dies, how do you protect yourself from her family...

[cyril sneer]

2 minutes ago, ravip said:

Why should one be so desperate to find a family?

Can families be found ONLY in Thailand?

 

i've no idea what you're on about

[BritManToo]

24 minutes ago, ravip said:

knows everything much better than the Thais themselves.

That ain't exactly hard.

[cornishcarlos]

If my wife did pass before me, I would have no worries about her Mum and 2 sisters, they are lovely people. Her aunt's and uncles on the other hand, well I can imagine them trying their hardest to get something... My wife has already discussed this scenario with her Mum and sisters, it's all been laid down clearly. I also have a Usufruct on the one property that I would actually like to keep, so that would be transferred into sister's name with Usufruct still in tact. The other properties would be sold and divided between myself and the immediate family.

[colinneil]

11 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

If my wife did pass before me, I would have no worries about her Mum and 2 sisters, they are lovely people. Her aunt's and uncles on the other hand, well I can imagine them trying their hardest to get something... My wife has already discussed this scenario with her Mum and sisters, it's all been laid down clearly. I also have a Usufruct on the one property that I would actually like to keep, so that would be transferred into sister's name with Usufruct still in tact. The other properties would be sold and divided between myself and the immediate family.

Got it all planned out Carlos, dont let the bed get cold, mother and sisters lined up, hope you got the stamina, or plenty of viagra.????????

[Spidey]

53 minutes ago, ravip said:

You seems to be an exception! Good luck to you and I wish you all the very best. With your pattern of thinking, you will be very happy in Thailand!

Sorry but he is the norm IME. You are the exception. Maybe your view has been skewed by reading too much on TV.

[Spidey]

For the house, I'm thinking of doing the 30 year lease thing. Ufustruct, I think. Plus a good will of course.

[Denim]

Black Market AK 47.

[travelingman1959]

Best one yet, why do you come to thailand, do they think its the leo

Thinking about being with one of my home country woman is the most depressing image I could ever create. Give me Thai ladies every day. 

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[scorecard]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

As far as I understand, as long as there's a will in place, a foreign spouse may be granted a time frame in which he can sort out ownership. Gets more complicated in cases of shared ownership/inheritance.

 

Mrs. Morch got a car and a couple of bank account in her own name. I think that's not unusual. We also have a joint account, and I have others solely under my name.

 

 Correct the Thai wife can bequeath land and house to foreign husband but the foreign husband must sell (or give to another Thai person, maybe kids) within a certain time period (I think it's one year).

 

But the start point is that the Thai wife has made a valid will giving the land and house to the foreign husband. 

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, scorecard said:

 Correct the Thai wife can bequeath land and house to foreign husband but the foreign husband must sell (or give to another Thai person, maybe kids) within a certain time period (I think it's one year).

 

But the start point is that the Thai wife has made a valid will giving the land and house to the foreign husband. 

Is this rule not overruled by a Ufustruct?

[scorecard]

16 minutes ago, Benroon said:

Just about every Thai urban myth/racist slur/stereotypical falsehoods were probably born on Thai Visa Forum !

Some yes, not all. In my extended family there are many vultures just waiting. But little do they know it's all covered in valid wills, they can't get anywhere near anything. They will be shocked, they've got it all worked out about selling etc etc. 

[cornishcarlos]

27 minutes ago, colinneil said:

Got it all planned out Carlos, dont let the bed get cold, mother and sisters lined up, hope you got the stamina, or plenty of viagra.????????

 

Actually the older sister is still single and worth a squirt ????????

[ChipButty]

22 minutes ago, Spidey said:

For the house, I'm thinking of doing the 30 year lease thing. Ufustruct, I think. Plus a good will of course.

I dont think the Ufustruct is accepted no more, correct me if im wrong

[KMartinHandyman]

Doubt she goes first but if so and her parents are still with us they’d be the ones to get the land back they gave her. I don’t have a problem with that.

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, AGareth2 said:

Thai culture says otherwise

So they are culture vultures?

[Liverpudlian]

2 hours ago, Mulambana said:

When my GF was diagnosed with bone marrow cancer, she told me that her family was waiting like vultures to take her house and car. I don't stay with her so I don't have any problem with that but I wanted my minor daughter to inherit her property (house, furniture, appliances, air con, gold and car) and we did a will at the amphoe indicating that only my minor daughter will inherit her mom's property (house, furniture, appliances, air-con, gold and car) after her death. Her family will inherit only her TV. She responded to medications and doing very well now.

Ongoing medications ? that in its self can clean out massive funds.

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, Pilotman said:

Thinking about being with one of my home country woman is the most depressing image I could ever create. Give me Thai ladies every day. 

Good to see the gild isn't off your Thai lily yet. Take your time.

[cornishcarlos]

28 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

I dont think the Ufustruct is accepted no more, correct me if im wrong

 

Post some valid info to back up your statements otherwise it's just confusing for readers.. I've not heard anything about this development but you must have some official links to make a claim like that ,??

[simon43]

At least he only did it once and not THREE times

 

Well, I never had any problem from the family members, only from the wives... ????

 

Wife 1 - single daughter, father unknown, mother aged

Wife 2 - youngest sibling of 4 daughters (all of them working in bars) and 1 brother (labourer), mother dead, father a local bumpkin. All of them totally dysfunctional in one way or another ????

Wife 3 - Younger sister at college, father dead, mother old.

 

Furthermore, if my wife had popped her clogs whilst married to me - the family members would get absolutely nothing because ..... I have absolutely nothing!! ????

[NanLaew]

57 minutes ago, Benroon said:

Just about every Thai urban myth/racist slur/stereotypical falsehoods were probably born on Thai Visa Forum !

No, not born here. Simply recycled.

[AlexRich]

A good question. I suspect that having a child together would make securing all assets much easier. The best advice has already been given, get a professional lawyer to draw up a Will that will have force in Thailand. Pay a little more to get the best legal advice. It will give you peace of mind and/or at least give you a heads up on what to expect.

[topt]

32 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

I dont think the Ufustruct is accepted no more, correct me if im wrong

If the usufruct is registered on the chanotte then it is valid - why would you think it is not? You may have issues getting one in some places now especially Pattaya apparently.

40 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Is this rule not overruled by a Ufustruct?

An usufruct allows you to live in the property/land but doesn't mean you own it so somoene still has to be regitered as the owner - usufruct carries on unless you cancel it. See @cornishcarlos

post #33 earlier.

[NanLaew]

38 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Actually the older sister is still single and worth a squirt ????????

LOL. A comment that for me, conjures up some politically incorrect images.

[Spidey]

8 minutes ago, cornishcarlos said:

 

Post some valid info to back up your statements otherwise it's just confusing for readers.. I've not heard anything about this development but you must have some official links to make a claim like that ,??

When I bought my house last year, my lawyer told me the same. Said that it ended 12 months previously. I suspected that it was BS because he was pushing hard to get me to go down the company route (more Wonga for him).

 

Posted about it on TV and every poster that replied, disputed his claim. Would really like a definitive answer.

 

If someone knows a lawyer, in Pattaya, who can still secure one for me, I'd really appreciate a PM

 

 

 

 

Edited March 3, 2019 by Spidey

[NanLaew]

4 minutes ago, topt said:

If the usufruct is registered on the chanotte then it is valid - why would you think it is not? You may have issues getting one in some places now especially Pattaya apparently.

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Udon Thani appears to be similarly challenged saying 'cannot' and citing the law incorrectly. One either has to keep badgering them or get a lawyer onside.

[lelapin]

My house is in the name of my girlfriend. We have included in her will that after her death the house must be sold with one year and 80% of the proceeds go to me and 20% to her only son. If as is likely I go first then she will change the will to what she wants at that time.

[cornishcarlos]

You don't need a lawyer to execute a Usufruct. It can be done at the land office with the Chanote paper, if the land office are prepared to do it. Like everything, it can vary from office to office.. 

[NanLaew]

5 minutes ago, Spidey said:

When I bought my house last year, my lawyer told me the same. Said that it ended 12 months previously. I suspected that it was BS because he was pushing hard to get me to go down the company route (more Wonga for him).

 

Posted about it on TV and every poster that replied, disputed his claim. Would really like a definitive answer.

 

If someone knows a lawyer, in Pattaya, who can still secure one for me, I'd really appreciate a PM

 

I honestly hope you have great good luck on that but since it's the government that's basically saying 'cannot', I would hope a decent lawyer will say that it's simply a case of how much money it takes to get them to have any epiphany, admit that they're wrong and interpret the law correctly. A lump sum, one-off payment (plus the lawyers xx%) that doesn't necessarily need to be in a brown envelope? The lesser lawyer will simply milk you on a retainer while doing bugger all since nobody tells anyone in government that they've got it all wrong.

 

If I am not mistaken, this spreading reticence about usufructs is inversely proportional to the approach of the (steadily delayed) elections. Therefore the same decent lawyer may suggest one just wait until that event is over and see what shakes out.

 

 

[topt]

15 minutes ago, Spidey said:

If someone knows a lawyer, in Pattaya, who can still secure one for me, I'd really appreciate a PM

I have one but it was put in place some years ago and it was not "straightforward".

 

I was told when talking to a Pattaya law firm last year about some other things that the land registry office in Pattaya were refusing to do them any more due to a lot of issues with Thai/foreigner relationships that then unravelled.

 

I can only suggest trying some of the bigger law firms in Pattaya and seeing if any of them can help - Eg. magna Carta (but also very expensive).

[topt]

6 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

but since it's the government that's basically saying 'cannot',

From what I was told (and no reason to doubt but have no proof) it is not the government per se but the local land office and perhaps Pattaya local municipality - see post above.