Election not free or fair, says poll monitor

[sjaak327]

Can give one example that effects me directly. The clearing out of 90% of street stalls in Bangkok and especially lower sukhumvit and the massive brown envelope corruption along with it
 
We have humor and we have stupid. Im the funny guy [emoji16]

Since when are honest and hard working people being linked with corruption? Get out of here, you show once again you simply have no idea about the country. Living in lower sukkhumvit says it all.

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[SunsetT]

Well what a surprise!

[bkkgriz]

2 hours ago, Jiggo said:

Bring on The Red Flag, only Socialism will sort this country out. 

Better start fattening up the zoo animals. Good thing Thailand has a huge rat population. Maybe Venezuela can give tips on how to run a socialist country. Oh, right, I know, that's not real socialism. Too bad Pol Pot is gone, he could have taught Thailand some things about being a socialist. 

[Evolare]

I read somewhere that roughly ~20 million voted but they had ~31 million votes.

 

Land that 5.6% of votes where considered where bad...

 

Very interesting indeed I wonder what the outcome will be ????

[Jim7777]

Prayut already has plans to build a Great Wall along the borders of Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, and Malaysia.  

[Baerboxer]

9 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

Stunning. 

 

In any case, we already knew beforehand the elections wouldn't be free and fair, and that was exactly the intention.

 

Notice you ignored the bit about vote buying being prevalent in the North, North East and Central regions. Or did you miss that bit in the OP?

[sjaak327]

Just now, Baerboxer said:

 

Notice you ignored the bit about vote buying being prevalent in the North, North East and Central regions. Or did you miss that bit in the OP?

Vote buying was prevalent everywhere, remember one party was even named after the fund that threw the money to people everywhere….

 

Nothing so Obvious and for all to see is that, it trumps any vote buying imagined or real. 

 

Of course vote buying is the least of the problems, the election wasn't free and fair because of various much more important factors, one of which is the election results do not add up at all. There is no doubt the EC cheated this election. It cannot be possible that PT for instance, grabs 135 seats all of which are from the constituency, that cannot mathematically be true. 

[ThaiBunny]

1 minute ago, sjaak327 said:

Vote buying was prevalent everywhere, remember one party was even named after the fund that threw the money to people everywhere….

The Democrats control the South; does anyone really imagine that's by dint of their personality

[Baerboxer]

1 hour ago, Expat Tom said:

Name one military dictatorship in history that ever conducted a 'free and fair' election. To think that it would have been otherwise is just silly. It is what it is...it is Thailand where EVERYTHING is for sale

 

Very few "People's Democratic Republics", Communist or Socialist states have either!

 

Democracy, free and fair elections, requires careful looking after with a strong robust free impartial and fair to all justice system. Do you see any sign of that?

[StevieAus]

4 hours ago, shaurene said:

I live in Khon Kaen district in a large village outside the city. My wife and I have been married and lived in the village for 11 years, she was born in the village. She is very truthful and never lies to me

i i asked her has any one offered money etc to the villagers to vote. She said No Never. And I believe this to be true.

According to my wife no one offered her or her family money to vote, unfortunately.

I turned up with my Pink ID card but they wouldn’t let me vote but offered me money to go away !!!

[Baerboxer]

5 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

Vote buying was prevalent everywhere, remember one party was even named after the fund that threw the money to people everywhere….

 

Nothing so Obvious and for all to see is that, it trumps any vote buying imagined or real. 

 

Of course vote buying is the least of the problems, the election wasn't free and fair because of various much more important factors, one of which is the election results do not add up at all. There is no doubt the EC cheated this election. It cannot be possible that PT for instance, grabs 135 seats all of which are from the constituency, that cannot mathematically be true. 

 

You are right that there seems some very funny maths going on; or just being reported odd. The BBC, bless them, decided to report only constituency seats in their article I read last night, totally ignoring any party list seats (I'm sure that wasn't intended to show PTP in a better light ????). That made things seem very odd.

 

Of course the more and more complicated you make things, the easier it is for someone to manipulate and the harder transparency is. 

 

No wonder they need several weeks to work all the figures out, in lots of different ways, to find the "formula" they like best!

 

Be interesting when the "final" result is announced and try and test the mathematical logic and soundness!

 

 

[StevieAus]

24 minutes ago, Jim7777 said:

Prayut already has plans to build a Great Wall along the borders of Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, and Malaysia.  

I don’t think so have a look around and you will see the amount of road and bridge building that is taking place to make access between Thailand and these countries easier.

[Jai Dee]

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[Odysseus123]

1 minute ago, StevieAus said:

I don’t think so have a look around and you will see the amount of road and bridge building that is taking place to make access between Thailand and these countries easier.

Good on yer mate!

 

"There's a silver lining.."

 

Unless,of course,you haven't been to OZ in yer life?

[Ulic]

So what they are saying is it was no different from any other election. ie. same, same.

[sjaak327]

29 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

You are right that there seems some very funny maths going on; or just being reported odd. The BBC, bless them, decided to report only constituency seats in their article I read last night, totally ignoring any party list seats (I'm sure that wasn't intended to show PTP in a better light ????). That made things seem very odd.

 

Of course the more and more complicated you make things, the easier it is for someone to manipulate and the harder transparency is. 

 

No wonder they need several weeks to work all the figures out, in lots of different ways, to find the "formula" they like best!

 

Be interesting when the "final" result is announced and try and test the mathematical logic and soundness!

 

 

Well, the new formula was communicated. And that formula would "punish" parties that get a high number of constituency seats, however even using that formula, I simply cannot be true that PT grabs 135 seats and 0 party list seats, that cannot be true. As they have lost 215 constituencies, I do not believe for one second, that the votes for PT in those constituencies combined together, are not enough for even a single party list seat. That is simply not possible, unless those votes were discarded,  something this new system was aimed to prevent. (allegedly at least..).

 

I take the numbers from the Bangkok Post website, where they do try to also report party list seats by the way. 

Edited March 26, 2019 by sjaak327

[Artisi]

46 minutes ago, Jim7777 said:

Prayut already has plans to build a Great Wall along the borders of Cambodia, Laos, Myanmar, and Malaysia.  

And they will pay for it.... 

[thaijoe]

they were all drunk. lol

[AlexRich]

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Well, the army seemed absolutely desperate to cling to power and the rewriting of the constitution pretty much assured that. Now, the question is, can Thailand ever get rid of them? Or are they destined to be a backwards moving nation forever?

 

Not sure about you guys, but this election sure leaves a bitter taste in my mouth in regards to my future in Thailand. A lifetime under these hapless incompetents?

The only upside might be a weak baht over time, as they have more of it to mess the place up.

[timendres]

3 hours ago, madmen said:

Can give one example that effects me directly. The clearing out of 90% of street stalls in Bangkok and especially lower sukhumvit and the massive brown envelope corruption along with it

Worst thing to happen under the Junta. I cannot abide foreigners who wish to destroy the character of Thailand for their own personal convenience.

[Odysseus123]

3 minutes ago, timendres said:

Worst thing to happen under the Junta. I cannot abide foreigners who wish to destroy the character of Thailand for their own personal convenience.

That's good..that's so very,very good.

 

The foreigners are destroying Thailand....rather like 'Les Ricerables'.

 

Those pesky foreigners-yet again.

 

 

[sambum]

8 hours ago, dcutman said:

Leave.

You forgot the prefix "If you don't like it ....." but maybe that is taken as understood already!

[connda]

Vote buying is a Thai as.....Thailand. 
The real shocker would be if there was not vote buying. 

Not to be a stick in the mud, but virtually every Democracy is in one form or another compromised.  Most 'Democracies' are an illusions giving the voter a choice that is not actually a choice. 
Monied interests rule that electorate.  On rare occasions things don't go as planned.  Then the system implodes. 
 

[Odysseus123]

2 minutes ago, connda said:

Vote buying is a Thai as.....Thailand. 
The real shocker would be if there was not vote buying. 

Not to be a stick in the mud, but virtually every Democracy is in one form or another compromised.  Most 'Democracies' are an illusions giving the voter a choice that is not actually a choice. 
Monied interests rule that electorate.  On rare occasions things don't go as planned.  Then the system implodes. 
 

Nonsense.

 

Internet meme.

 

Now..boys and girls..let us all repeat the the simplistic internet memes.All together now!

 

Oh..the girls don't want to play-just the useless males?

Edited March 26, 2019 by Odysseus123

[Odysseus123]

5 minutes ago, connda said:

Vote buying is a Thai as.....Thailand. 
The real shocker would be if there was not vote buying. 

Not to be a stick in the mud, but virtually every Democracy is in one form or another compromised.  Most 'Democracies' are an illusions giving the voter a choice that is not actually a choice. 
Monied interests rule that electorate.  On rare occasions things don't go as planned.  Then the system implodes. 
 

Internet meme.

[Mosha]

What's new?

[Huckenfell]

15 hours ago, tx22cb said:

If you:

1) stage a coup, and give carte blanche amnesty to yourselves

2) detain politicians and send them to be "re-educated", and only release them when they sign some BS statement

3) form a bogus military government with lackies to re-write, for the umpteenth time, a new Constitution which tips the scales heavily in your favour

4) form a new " political party" to capitalize on the new voting regulations

5) are on TV & radio for hours every week, droning on about how great you are, hoping to brainwash the citizens ... for 4+ years

6) select a new set of Election Commissioners to help tip the scale even more

7) ban one of the pesky Opposition parties just weeks before the election

 

And, even after all of these measures, you STILL don't win the rigged elections, then you have to get it into your thick head that the Thai people REALLY do not care for you nor your ham-fisted tactics.

And, what's worse, your dictatorial actions helped to destroy a party which was a major player for decades, and forced the resignation of its leader - because it had tacitly supported your coup.

Bonus - the big-mouthed clown, who collected millions from his marches to help bring down the previous government, got only 1 seat

Loved the last bit !

 

[Basil B]

Last time did not the Electoral Commission order a re run of voting in areas where vote buy was rampant, and then again until they ran out of money? 

[LomSak27]

4 hours ago, Basil B said:

Last time did not the Electoral Commission order a re run of voting in areas where vote buy was rampant, and then again until they ran out of money? 

No matter what the cover story the EC puts out I do not think vote buying is a major problem this election. Not out in Nakhon Nowhere at least ... seems that party did not have the money to buy any votes this time ... and they still voted for themn in force. 

 

These seems to be real problems with counting though That is counting the votes  that did not get lost! ????

[5633572526]

On 3/26/2019 at 7:25 AM, spidermike007 said:

Well, the army seemed absolutely desperate to cling to power and the rewriting of the constitution pretty much assured that. Now, the question is, can Thailand ever get rid of them? Or are they destined to be a backwards moving nation forever?

 

Not sure about you guys, but this election sure leaves a bitter taste in my mouth in regards to my future in Thailand. A lifetime under these hapless incompetents?

100% agree with everything you said and believe me that is rare but prepare for the assault of the “love it or leave it” gang.