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Immigration proposes much harsher penalties for failing to report foreigners staying in Thailand


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5 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

I rented a condo, six months lease, neither the condo owner nor the juristic person ( manager) knew I had to be reported as living there, had to get signature from condo owner in another city and then report back, only found out by accident that I had to report. Many other farang living there unaware as well.

 

Why bother?

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5 minutes ago, tlandtday said:

I am not sure these countries ask the same.  Perhaps they are alluding to the USSR or North Korea.  I don't recall any of this when I visited China or Vietnam.

Me too, nobody seemed to care where I was or what I was doing, I was quite surprised how free and easy they were compared to Thailand or even the UK. (and the Philippines didn't care either)

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It won't ever happen. They don't have the capabilities to implement this sort of thing. I wonder if the full foreigner database that was meant to be finished in 6 months (about a year ago) is due to be rolled out soon ????

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1 hour ago, marcusb said:

My province is extremely strict about the TM30s.  Go out of town one night have to come back and report. Change of visa, come back and report.  Twice they have scared the hell out of the poor lady renting me my house,  She will not rent to a foreigner again. 

 My friend moved into a townhouse owned by a nice old army general. Later another farang friend rented another unit. The general asked my friends if they knew anymore foreigners for another unit as he was quite happy renting to foreigners, rent on time, no parties, no hassle. Then immi started getting strict about the TM30s, he had to go down to immi a few times to straighten things out. He has now said he will never rent to farang again. 

 This fear of renting to foreigners will increase with increased fines and rules. Soon it will be like Burma or China where we will only be able to stay in certified places. 

  Sidenote: I went to immi on a Monday morning told them I have been to Laos and came back with a new NonB. They said the landlord MUST come in and redo the TM30 as I had a change of status. At 1:00 pm I had frantic calls from the landlord to meet at immi. I go there straighten things out. They are going to fine her 1600 Baht. Then immigration looks at me and says, its not really her fault it is my fault so I should pay. I disagreed and also told them I was back in the city 5:00PM on Sunday, I reported on Monday so there should be no fine. It was dropped. The fine is supposed to be for the homeowner but I can see in many cases it will be farang who pays.  Its a pretty messed up system. 

It is your fault. Move to another part of the country where they don’t enforce this. 

 

No way would I tolerate that. 

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1 hour ago, toofarnorth said:

Yes prev. 3 . I was waiting 'til the end and I think there must be a form somewhere , re fingering  Imm. staff . No form you could get collared . There may be a form for that too.

 

Ahah - I think there is a 'linguistic disconnect' here between British and American English.... ????

 

https://www.themix.org.uk/sex-and-relationships/having-sex/fingering-a-girl-3943.html

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3 minutes ago, pattayadgw said:

I can't see myself residing in LOS after I complete this latest retirement visa which has just been issued... enough is enough... have 12 months to sort out a new location to live.  I've been coming here regularly since 76 and have lived here since 98.... many very good law abiding years and lots of money spent / invested... all for what?? SO SAD TO SEE THE COUNTRY TREATING ALL FOREIGNERS AS GANGSTERS  ????

Well the real gangsters are taken care of as if they are Royals so actually no rush or need to leave for that. Just the visa hassle that is a problem.
Also tons of options to pay 25-30k and get your yearly extension sorted, it has been a corruption chair dance only.

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23 minutes ago, simon43 said:
1 hour ago, toofarnorth said:

Yes prev. 3 . I was waiting 'til the end and I think there must be a form somewhere , re fingering  Imm. staff . No form you could get collared . There may be a form for that too.

 

Ahah - I think there is a 'linguistic disconnect' here between British and American English.... ????

 

https://www.themix.org.uk/sex-and-relationships/having-sex/fingering-a-girl-3943.html

Well.... collared after fingering... kinky

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What a joke

 

I didn't want to believe it with all the negative talks going on nowadays but its clear, if you are a foreigner you are NOT wanted here. 

The authoritarian leader seems to believe Thailand can do without 'em, so I guess so be it. Did they read the north korean manifesto for inspiration or what, hilarious 

And this will stop criminals how? Good guys out, bad guys don't care.

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They should issue all tourists (those entering the country) or those on extension (at their next application) a "log-book" which needs to be filled in (by the hotelier/housemaster) with every address you've stayed until you next leave.  When you leave the log-book is retained by Immigration and then cross referenced against all the TM30's that reported you.

 

The tourist/retiree can then be held responsible (and fined/blacklisted) for not keeping his log-book up-to-date, and any of the housemasters for not actually making the TM30 report.

 

Possible problems for those on overnight trains or busses, or those staying overnight in one or more short-time rooms, or even not managing to leave the bar/ditch where they fell comatose.

 

Certainly preferable to being micro-chipped and scanned every evening. 

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3 hours ago, gmac said:

What about those on retirement extensions living with their wives who have been told there is no need to report on TM30 each time they leave the province/country as long as their home address remains the same?  Do we report or don't we? I shall continue to do so, it's a pain for me and for them but I don't fancy a 10000 baht fine just for doing what they have told me is ok.

 

There are specific rules set for this, I can't remember how many but they state a number of days you can be away without needing to re-register.

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