Angry over Brexit delay, 'Leave' supporters march through London

[sanemax]

2 hours ago, stephenterry said:

You'd better put your house on it then, as it won't be worth much if the UK crashes out with no deal.

The UK needs house prices to fall , so what working people can afford to buy houses again.

[malagateddy]

C/h..I have had no time for the inglorious eu for over 20 years.
I voted LEAVE as I saw my former home city going downhill..the influx of non legally working people from certain eu countries coupled with non legally working asians...the horrible organised crime networks set up by the aforementioned groups of people.
Namely..massive increase of hard drugs..child prostitution..forced marriages..people trafficking etc etc.
Call me what you like but I want people who immigrate to the UK to be a credit and an asset to the UK.
My best mate in Glasgow's son who's 32 years old is an excellent example.
He's a 1st class tele-communications engineer...working in Melbourne Australia on the massive tram upgrade.
The young man is a credit to himself..his parents and to Australia.
That's the calibre of immigrant that the UK should be getting..not the " trash " I have mentioned.

The Brexit Leave campaign was funded by tax shy Billionaires, Multimillionaires and hedge fund managers (plus a large amount of unexplained foreign sourced money).
 
Amongst Brexit backers the likes of Dyson with his ‘global’ manufacturing and ‘global’ tax evasion.
 
Only last week the EU fined Google over a €Billion for breaching EU anti trust laws (laws that protect customers against abusive market rigging by big ‘global’ businesses).
 
But please do trot out your canned ‘globalism/ist’
 
You are being played by a handful of the hyper wealthy, you may be happy to go along with their con, but please don’t expect the rest of us to be so easily taken in by conmen spouting populist promises they have no intention, or indeed means, to ever keep.

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[Basil B]

48 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Brexit Leave campaign was funded by tax shy Billionaires, Multimillionaires and hedge fund managers (plus a large amount of unexplained foreign sourced money).

 

Amongst Brexit backers the likes of Dyson with his ‘global’ manufacturing and ‘global’ tax evasion.

 

Only last week the EU fined Google over a €Billion for breaching EU anti trust laws (laws that protect customers against abusive market rigging by big ‘global’ businesses).

 

But please do trot out your canned ‘globalism/ist’

 

You are being played by a handful of the hyper wealthy, you may be happy to go along with their con, but please don’t expect the rest of us to be so easily taken in by conmen spouting populist promises they have no intention, or indeed means, to ever keep.

And do not forget the election fraud...

[denby45]

7 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Typical biased Reuters. What an earth has this guy got to do with the Brexit march. Nothing. So Reuters continue to try and link far right people with brexiteers and show just how biased they are as a news organisation when it comes to the EU and referendum.

They are as bad as the independent and guardian newspapers.

Please get your facts right. Tommy Robinson is nothing to do with the far right. He left the EDL because of the infiltration of far right supporters. You slag off the media for fake news and twisting the facts and then believe them when it comes to Tommy. Also he has just as much to do with the march as everyone else there. He also wants to see justice for the people.

 

Do some research on Tommy please.

 

Den

 

Edited March 30, 2019 by denby45

[sanemax]

8 minutes ago, Basil B said:

And do not forget the election fraud...

Although that was about some irregularities in financing , nothing too serious

[superal]

6 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Well I wouldn't be too sure about that. More likely a longer extension. For a revoke and/or new referendum, either likely to be preceded by a general election. But until then need to wait for what happens on Monday. Chickens yet to be counted.

No more extensions as France has made it clear and will veto any further extension requests

[Basil B]

11 minutes ago, denby45 said:

Please get your facts right. Tommy Robinson is nothing to do with the far right. He left the EDL because of the infiltration of far right supporters. You slag off the media for fake news and twisting the facts and then believe them when it comes to Tommy. 

 

Do some research please.

 

Den

Well actually he is convicted criminal... and a nasty piece of work.

[superal]

6 hours ago, Topdoc said:

These turncoats only voted 'aye' so their names would go into the hat

There could be an element of truth in that . But would you truly believe TM would have resigned had she had won the vote ? She has proven her self to be a stranger to the truth on several occasions .

[malagateddy]

Sawadee 1947

Since the 2008 financial crash..the multi national globalists and their ilk have got RICHER and RICHER
Meanwhile..middle class and working class people in the UK and other countries have became POORER.
Tax increases..cost of living up etc etc.
Can you honestly blame people for saying ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
I strongly suggest the above is a strong valid reason why the LEAVE vote was victorious.
As we all can see..the French..Italian and Dutch people have also had enough.
A great pity that the unelected brussels jobsworths do not listen or give a toss..cos they're alright in their own little bubble.
All they want is a United States of Europe with beaurcrats running it..unelected of course..because they know best!!!

Thousands of bad informed people led by some populists.
 

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[malagateddy]

Excellent..no deal it is then[emoji23][emoji2][emoji23]

No more extensions as France has made it clear and will veto any further extension requests

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[Chomper Higgot]

30 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

C/h..I have had no time for the inglorious eu for over 20 years.
I voted LEAVE as I saw my former home city going downhill..the influx of non legally working people from certain eu countries coupled with non legally working asians...the horrible organised crime networks set up by the aforementioned groups of people.
Namely..massive increase of hard drugs..child prostitution..forced marriages..people trafficking etc etc.
Call me what you like but I want people who immigrate to the UK to be a credit and an asset to the UK.
My best mate in Glasgow's son who's 32 years old is an excellent example.
He's a 1st class tele-communications engineer...working in Melbourne Australia on the massive tram upgrade.
The young man is a credit to himself..his parents and to Australia.
That's the calibre of immigrant that the UK should be getting..not the " trash " I have mentioned.

 

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Which Asian nation members of he EU did these Asians come from I wonder?

 

Doh!

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Sawadee 1947

Since the 2008 financial crash..the multi national globalists and their ilk have got RICHER and RICHER
Meanwhile..middle class and working class people in the UK and other countries have became POORER.
Tax increases..cost of living up etc etc.
Can you honestly blame people for saying ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
I strongly suggest the above is a strong valid reason why the LEAVE vote was victorious.
As we all can see..the French..Italian and Dutch people have also had enough.
A great pity that the unelected brussels jobsworths do not listen or give a toss..cos they're alright in their own little bubble.
All they want is a United States of Europe with beaurcrats running it..unelected of course..because they know best!!!

 

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The tragedy in your argument is that you’ve made the correct observation wrt the growth in inequality ( the rich getting richer at the cost of everyone else).

 

But you then attribute this to the wrong causes.

 

By example, the EU is enacting the CCCTB a direct challenge to the globalist tax evasion that robs nations of taxes while enriching the hyper wealthy.

 

And again I refer you to the many examples of the EU acting in favor of consumers/individuals to protect them from market rigging by big business.

 

That’s without gettung into the EU’s support for worker rights and individual rights.

 

Meanwhile Brexit promises - deregulation.

You might wish to believe that is in the favor of ordinary working people, not all of us are so gullible.

Edited March 30, 2019 by Chomper Higgot

[Basil B]

30 minutes ago, superal said:

No more extensions as France has made it clear and will veto any further extension requests

Although that's what they say now it is really what they will say on April the 10th when after who ever is the interim PM puts a plausible and realistic road map of the way forward and requests an extension, but one thing if for sure when the 27 get down it is likely to be a very long meeting, that is if one or more do not walk out.

 

That brings us back to only 2 options Leave no deal or revoke article 50...

then on the 11th April there will be a motion on the table "Revoke Article 50" if it is not passed then we leave by default.

 

How MPs voted indicative votes 27/03/19
	For	Against
Customs union	264	272
Common Market 2.0	188	283
Revoking Article 50 to avoid no deal	184	293
Confirmatory referendum	268	295
Labour's Brexit plan	237	307
EFTA and EEA membership	65	377
No-deal exit on 12 April	160	400
Malthouse Plan B	139	422

Edited March 30, 2019 by Basil B

[sawadee1947]

1 hour ago, malagateddy said:

Exactly what do you have against populists??
Are you a mega rich globalist?
Did you want H Clinton to beat Donald Trump 3 years ago?
Are you or any of your family eu employees.
Are you happy that your inglorious eu never condult it's citizens re WHAT THEY WANT GOING FORWARD??

 

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Yes, I'm happy to belong to 500 million of people gathered in a powerful community called EU. 

I'm proud to have an EU parliament which will not be concerned about a single little country, but speaking for all. 

And I'm proud to travel around Europe without a visa and to settle in every one of these 27 countries without limitations and to work wherever I want. 

And I'm proud to have powerful economic deals with almost all other countries in the world.

And I'm proud that this community will guarantee peace on the continent. 

And I'm proud to let in those who need our help, no matter of religion or where they were coming from. I'm proud to give humanitarian support and education to those. 

And I hope that this community will use their strength to reunite my Ireland! 

 

[malagateddy]

Hopefully without UK taxpayers money

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[Loiner]

Well actually he is convicted criminal... and a nasty piece of work.

Who cares about a couple of convictions except those that were politically motivated.
He’s a brave man, who the establishment, the left, MSM and islamists hate.

[geoffbezoz]

29 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Yes, I'm happy to belong to 500 million of people gathered in a powerful community called EU. 

I'm proud to have an EU parliament which will not be concerned about a single little country, but speaking for all. 

And I'm proud to travel around Europe without a visa and to settle in every one of these 27 countries without limitations and to work wherever I want. 

And I'm proud to have powerful economic deals with almost all other countries in the world.

And I'm proud that this community will guarantee peace on the continent. 

And I'm proud to let in those who need our help, no matter of religion or where they were coming from. I'm proud to give humanitarian support and education to those. 

And I hope that this community will use their strength to reunite my Ireland! 

 

Wish I was as lucky as you. Unfortunately I am not , having British nationality half of our population are bigots who provide supports to wealthy tax fraudsters that have a supporting political party called the Conservative party. When I was a youngster growing up immediately after WW2  most of the country were struggling yet we still managed to consider that being British was something to be proud of  yet also fully recognized that the British Empire was in the past.

 

In 1962 my Father was ridiculed by many of his friends for buying a Mercedes-Benz car. As he said it was the best car he ever owned, he fought the Germans in WW2, as was his duty, but somethings should be left in the past but lessons learned. That lesson was for Europe to unite together to prevent further conflicts.

 

 

That has succeeded and Europe should be proud of that unity. However there are still some who were either not born in those days and hence not party to the deprivation that war brought about, or else have grown up in an Alice in Wonderland world that the British empire will return.  Get over it, it won't in this century or ever again. We are all Europeans and have lived almost peacfully together longer than any other period in modern history.  That peace has also provided opportunity. Opportunity for general education and prosperity for most. Not perfect I know but a damn site better than it was before.

 

The delusional dinosaurs who still maintain that Brexit is good for the UK hopefully one day will follow the path of those dinosaurs, become extinct. Simply because I was lucky enough not to directly witness the atrocities and bloodshed of European warfare, I and many millions of others have benefited from the sacrifices of members of my own family during that period and most certainly do not want to provide another opportunity for such despots to return and potentially bring about such partisan arguments that could impact my children and grand children lives and plunge Europe into the darkness of those years ever again. Europe has learned its lesson from history and is now united. As I said not perfect but damn better then it has ever been.  Brexiteers intent is to turn the clock back 100 years and I hope I never witness what can only be anologised as the action of migrating Lemmings.

Edited March 30, 2019 by geoffbezoz

[sanemax]

24 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Yes, I'm happy to belong to 500 million of people gathered in a powerful community called EU. 

I'm proud to have an EU parliament which will not be concerned about a single little country, but speaking for all. 

And I'm proud to travel around Europe without a visa and to settle in every one of these 27 countries without limitations and to work wherever I want. 

And I'm proud to have powerful economic deals with almost all other countries in the world.

And I'm proud that this community will guarantee peace on the continent. 

And I'm proud to let in those who need our help, no matter of religion or where they were coming from. I'm proud to give humanitarian support and education to those. 

And I hope that this community will use their strength to reunite my Ireland! 

 

Would it be fair to say that you hold a grudge against the British/English ?

Maybe feel dominated by London and have a misguided sense of inferiority ? 

[sanemax]

8 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said:

Wish I was as lucky as you. Unfortunately I am not , having British nationality half of our population are bigots who provide supports to wealthy tax fraudsters that have a supporting political party called the Conservative party. When I was a youngster growing up immediately after WW2  most of the country were struggling yet we still managed to consider that being British was something to be proud of  yet also fully recognized that the British Empire was in the past.

 

In 1962 my Father was ridiculed by many of his friends for buying a Mercedes-Benz car. As he said it was the best car he ever owned, he fought the Germans in WW2, as was his duty, but somethings should be left in the past but lessons learned. That lesson was for Europe to unite together to prevent further conflicts.

 

 

That has succeeded and Europe should be proud of that unity. However there are still some who were either not born in those days and hence not party to the deprivation that war brought about, or else have grown up in an Alice in Wonderland world that the British empire will return.  Get over it, it won't in this century or ever again. We are all Europeans and have lived almost peacfully together longer than any other period in modern history.  That peace has also provided opportunity. Opportunity for general education and prosperity for most. Not perfect I know but a damn site better than it was before.

 

The delusional dinosaurs who still maintain that Brexit is good for the UK hopefully one day will follow the path of those dinosaurs, become extinct. Simply because I was lucky enough not to directly witness the atrocities and bloodshed of European warfare, I and many millions of others have benefited from the sacrifices of members of my own family during that period and most certainly do not want to provide another opportunity for such despots to return and potentially bring about such partisan arguments that could impact my children and grand children lives and plunge Europe into the darkness of those years ever again. Europe has learned its lesson from history and is now united. As I said not perfect but damn better then it has ever been.  Brexiteers intent is to turn the clock back 100 years and I hope I never witness what can only be anologised as the action of migrating Lemmings.

Dont worry , Britain will not  be declaring war on Germany or Europe .

Also , WW2 was fought to stop a united Europe , albeit under Nazi rule .

[geoffbezoz]

Just now, sanemax said:

Dont worry , Britain will not  be declaring war on Germany or Europe .

Also , WW2 was fought to stop a united Europe , albeit under Nazi rule .

Economic warfare can well be a catalyst. As for WW2, it started in 1939 as Great Britain declared war on Germany as it had invaded Poland.  Germany's aim that time was to regain territory it had lost owing to their surrender in WW1.  Their scapegoats for economical depression were as we know the Jewish immigrants. Whilst the UK Brexiteers can no way be tarnished as extremists like the Nazis, they are however using comparisons that the UK problems can be resolved by stopping and/or even returning immigrants. That has similar sinister overtones so hence Europe and the "Remainers" are mindfull of such matters.

[Basil B]

23 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Who cares about a couple of convictions except those that were politically motivated.
He’s a brave man, who the establishment, the left, MSM and islamists hate.

"Robinson's criminal record includes convictions for violence, financial and immigration frauds, drug possession, public order offences, and contempt of court"

 

More than twice,

...and please explain how mortgage fraud, assaulting a police officer, hooliganism, possession of drugs, using someone else's passport to enter the USA were politically motivated??? 

[malagateddy]

Take it that you are happy bring less than a number to a brussels beaurocrat.
Whom you cannot sack

Economic warfare can well be a catalyst. As for WW2, it started in 1939 as Great Britain declared war on Germany as it had invaded Poland.  Germany's aim that time was to regain territory it had lost owing to their surrender in WW1.  Their scapegoats for economical depression were as we know the Jewish immigrants. Whilst the UK Brexiteers can no way be tarnished as extremists like the Nazis, they are however using comparisons that the UK problems can be resolved by stopping and/or even returning immigrants. That has similar sinister overtones so hence Europe and the "Remainers" are mindfull of such matters.

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[geoffbezoz]

Just now, malagateddy said:

Take it that you are happy bring less than a number to a brussels beaurocrat.
Whom you cannot sack

 

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If you could perhaps re-post your comments that are comprehesible I shall be happy to respond.  Apologies if English is not your first language though.

[malagateddy]

Probably git a 6 month visiting family visa to the UK and " abdconded '

Which Asian nation members of he EU did these Asians come from I wonder?
 
Doh!

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[Nigel Garvie]

7 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said:

Wish I was as lucky as you. Unfortunately I am not , having British nationality half of our population are bigots who provide supports to wealthy tax fraudsters that have a supporting political party called the Conservative party. When I was a youngster growing up immediately after WW2  most of the country were struggling yet we still managed to consider that being British was something to be proud of  yet also fully recognized that the British Empire was in the past.

 

In 1962 my Father was ridiculed by many of his friends for buying a Mercedes-Benz car. As he said it was the best car he ever owned, he fought the Germans in WW2, as was his duty, but somethings should be left in the past but lessons learned. That lesson was for Europe to unite together to prevent further conflicts.

 

 

That has succeeded and Europe should be proud of that unity. However there are still some who were either not born in those days and hence not party to the deprivation that war brought about, or else have grown up in an Alice in Wonderland world that the British empire will return.  Get over it, it won't in this century or ever again. We are all Europeans and have lived almost peacfully together longer than any other period in modern history.  That peace has also provided opportunity. Opportunity for general education and prosperity for most. Not perfect I know but a damn site better than it was before.

 

The delusional dinosaurs who still maintain that Brexit is good for the UK hopefully one day will follow the path of those dinosaurs, become extinct. Simply because I was lucky enough not to directly witness the atrocities and bloodshed of European warfare, I and many millions of others have benefited from the sacrifices of members of my own family during that period and most certainly do not want to provide another opportunity for such despots to return and potentially bring about such partisan arguments that could impact my children and grand children lives and plunge Europe into the darkness of those years ever again. Europe has learned its lesson from history and is now united. As I said not perfect but damn better then it has ever been.  Brexiteers intent is to turn the clock back 100 years and I hope I never witness what can only be anologised as the action of migrating Lemmings.

Two excellent posts. The many members of my family who fought in the last European war would all be utterly horrified to see their sacrifices being used by small minded nationalists to justify anti EU sentiment. The nearest, virtually all of these nationalists ever came to a Spitfire, was an airfix model. Many of the bar- room musketeers who talk about how "We" won the war, weren't born till 20 years after it. My dad was evacuated  at Dunkirk with a bullet in him, if he had lived beyond the 1980s he would have been sick to hear people like this talk about Dunkirk spirit. It is one of the EUs greatest achievements, jaw jaw not war war. People who actually fought in one never forget this, the ones in my family never tired of telling me.

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said:

Economic warfare can well be a catalyst. As for WW2, it started in 1939 as Great Britain declared war on Germany as it had invaded Poland.  Germany's aim that time was to regain territory it had lost owing to their surrender in WW1.  Their scapegoats for economical depression were as we know the Jewish immigrants. Whilst the UK Brexiteers can no way be tarnished as extremists like the Nazis, they are however using comparisons that the UK problems can be resolved by stopping and/or even returning immigrants. That has similar sinister overtones so hence Europe and the "Remainers" are mindfull of such matters.

Although you are vaguely comparing the Nazis to Brexiters in regard in immigration issues .

The two situations are completely different though .

All Countries have immigration laws which are enforced or are you suggesting that any Country that doesnt have an open door policy to immigration is Nazi esque ?

   WW2 finished 70 odd years ago , time to move on .

[geoffbezoz]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Although you are vaguely comparing the Nazis to Brexiters in regard in immigration issues .

The two situations are completely different though .

All Countries have immigration laws which are enforced or are you suggesting that any Country that doesnt have an open door policy to immigration is Nazi esque ?

   WW2 finished 70 odd years ago , time to move on .

I did not bring up the issue specifically of   Nazi Germany, rather only responding to others posts. I agree with you 100% and had you bothered to read my post (#115) in depth  you will indeed see  I am in total agreement with you and it is time to move on as a United Europe, not splitting off the UK as  a has-been, now redundant force, in world affairs.

[sanemax]

13 minutes ago, Basil B said:

"Robinson's criminal record includes convictions for violence, financial and immigration frauds, drug possession, public order offences, and contempt of court"

 

More than twice,

...and please explain how mortgage fraud, assaulting a police officer, hooliganism, possession of drugs, using someone else's passport to enter the USA were politically motivated??? 

His "mortgage fraud " conviction was the result of him introducing some potential house buyers to a mortgage broker who supplied fake payslips for them to obtain a mortgage to buy a house  , (he also loaned thee people  40 000 GBP as a deposit) and onve ce the people had gotton the loan from the bank , they would have paid the money back to the bank .

  Although this is illegal (to supply false payslips) , it is generally overlooked or the mortgage is refused .

   Its very rare for people to get prosecuted for this and TR must be unique in being the only person ever to be prosecuted , simply for introducing a mortgage lender to a mortgage broker (who broke some rules) .

   Its highly likely that they only targeted him , because they wanted him in jail for exposing child grooming gangs in UK towns 

[geoffbezoz]

25 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Two excellent posts. The many members of my family who fought in the last European war would all be utterly horrified to see their sacrifices being used by small minded nationalists to justify anti EU sentiment. The nearest, virtually all of these nationalists ever came to a Spitfire, was an airfix model. Many of the bar- room musketeers who talk about how "We" won the war, weren't born till 20 years after it. My dad was evacuated  at Dunkirk with a bullet in him, if he had lived beyond the 1980s he would have been sick to hear people like this talk about Dunkirk spirit. It is one of the EUs greatest achievements, jaw jaw not war war. People who actually fought in one never forget this, the ones in my family never tired of telling me.

Thank you for your comments. An uncle of mine to was evacuated at Dunkirk but luckily survived unlike his Brother who died on the beach and went on to serve the rest of the war in the ASR.  My Father in the RN became totally deaf as a result of being underneath the allied bombardment on the 6th June 1944 at Juno Beach and I lost 2 Uncles as a result of Japanese atrocities.  One could say that members of my own family to may well have had a need to permanently hold a grudge. But they never did and whilst proud to have served their country  my comments are based on their and my own subsequent experiences and understanding that partisan and extremist views feed the dogs of war and the best learning experience possible is to learn from past mistakes.  A United Europe is a safe and prosperous Europe.

Edited March 30, 2019 by geoffbezoz

[dunroaming]

8 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Have you ever considered they voted knowing it wouldn't get through Parliament and it will go for a no deal. or even better May will resign or call a GE then have a brexiteer as the new PM. The EU and remainers would be bricking it, at that thought.????

I think that JRM and the rest of the ERG are devious enough to say anything to get their way but to openly go back on their word and say they would be voting for May's deal just makes them look pathetic.

 

But on Monday there will be more votes on possible outcomes.  If only they had had those votes two years ago all this could have been avoided.  Instead May ignored the concerns of the MP's and tried to blunder her way through with a doomed so called "deal".

 

But worry not! Nigel believes if there is a second referendum then the leavers would win with a larger majority.  Shall we test that theory then Nigel ????.  I don't think another referendum is the answer.  A softer Brexit wouldn't solve it but it would mean that the leavers got something.