Democrats mock Trump over healthcare delay ahead of 2020 election battle

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Democrats mock Trump over healthcare delay ahead of 2020 election battle

By Susan Heavey and Susan Cornwell

 

FILE PHOTO: U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) delivers remarks at a National Portrait Gallery Women's History Month reception in Washington, U.S., March 28, 2019. REUTERS/Yuri Gripas

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats mocked President Donald Trump on Tuesday for pushing back his promise of sweeping healthcare reform until after the 2020 election, and said they were happy to make it a central campaign issue.

 

Trump had pledged in recent days to use court action to end Obamacare, the signature law of his Democratic predecessor, Barack Obama, and said his Republican Party would push over the next few months for a better healthcare plan at lower cost for most Americans.

 

But Republican leaders in Congress quickly shied away from the issue and pushed him to reconsider.

 

In a series of late-night tweets on Monday, Trump did just that, saying there would be no vote on any healthcare legislation until after next year's election.

Democrats gleefully jumped on the delay, saying it showed Trump and his party had no idea what to do with healthcare beyond repealing the 2010 Affordable Care Act, popularly known as Obamacare.

 

"Last night the president tweeted that they will come up with their plan in 2021. Translation: they have no healthcare plan," Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer said. "They are for repeal, they have no replace."

 

Mitch McConnell, the Republican Senate majority leader, said he told Trump on Monday the party was not about to restart work on comprehensive healthcare legislation, noting Republicans were unable to pass a plan when they controlled both chambers of Congress in the first two years of the Trump presidency.

 

“I made it clear to him we were not going to be doing that in the Senate,” McConnell told reporters.

 

Democrats won control of the House of Representatives in November elections after campaigning heavily on strengthening Obamacare.

 

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Trump said on Tuesday he and Republicans would draw up a new healthcare plan ahead of the 2020 election and implement it soon afterward.

 

"I think we’re going to have a great healthcare package ... If we get back the House and on the assumption we keep the Senate and we keep the presidency – which I hope are two good assumptions – we’re going to have a phenomenal healthcare,” Trump told reporters.

 

He said a Republican plan would mean most Americans pay lower premiums and deductibles for their healthcare than they currently pay under Obamacare, revisiting a promise he made during the 2016 campaign.

 

Trump told House Republicans in a speech on Tuesday night that they should campaign on a pledge to make healthcare the first vote in Congress after the 2020 election.

 

He said one of the major reasons Democrats won control of the House last year was because Republicans did not have a healthcare plan to put forward to voters.

 

"Republicans should not run away from healthcare. You can’t do it. You’re going to get clobbered," Trump said.

 

While Trump's delay gives Republicans more time to knit together an alternative to Obamacare, it all but guarantees a 2020 battle over the divisive issue.

 

"Don’t let President Trump fool you, America. Republicans are not the party of healthcare. They are the party that wants to end your healthcare," Schumer said at a rally on Tuesday. "We Democrats will not stop fighting tooth and nail to protect America’s healthcare, today, tomorrow, and on in through 2021.”

 

Trump and his fellow Republicans vowed in the 2016 presidential election to "repeal and replace" Obamacare but failed to do so during their first two years in power, despite control of both the Senate and the House.

 

Several of the leading candidates for the Democratic 2020 presidential nomination, including a number of current U.S. senators, have already made healthcare a major part of their campaign message.

 

Trump accuses Democrats of seeking "a socialist takeover of American healthcare," and is certain to take that argument onto the 2020 campaign trail.

"I see what the Democrats are doing. It’s a disaster what they’re planning and everyone knows it,” he told reporters in the Oval Office on Tuesday.

 

(Reporting by Susan Heavey and Susan Cornwell; dditional reporting by Roberta Rampton; Editing by Susan Thomas, Bill Berkrot and Peter Cooney)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-04-03

[bristolboy]

Trump's mouth just shot himself in the foot. 

[KMartinHandyman]

If socialized medicine, universal healthcare or Medicaid/Medicare for all (call it what you will) is so great why is Mick Jagger having heart surgery in NYC, USA?

He’s from England right? Is their queue too long? Is the expertise in the USA superior? Does he just want an authentic slice of ny pizza before he goes under the knife?

 

[stevenl]

8 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

If socialized medicine, universal healthcare or Medicaid/Medicare for all (call it what you will) is so great why is Mick Jagger having heart surgery in NYC, USA?

He’s from England right? Is their queue too long? Is the expertise in the USA superior? Does he just want an authentic slice of ny pizza before he goes under the knife?

 

Because that is where he lives, he is not eligible for NHS.

 

The rich will always have other options anyway.

[Roadman]

8 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

If socialized medicine, universal healthcare or Medicaid/Medicare for all (call it what you will) is so great why is Mick Jagger having heart surgery in NYC, USA?

He’s from England right? Is their queue too long? Is the expertise in the USA superior? Does he just want an authentic slice of ny pizza before he goes under the knife?

 

Gee I need heart surgery. I will seek out the best heart surgeon in the world. Gee he's in NYC. OK I'll just flit a few hundred thousy to fly private jet to good ole New York and pay the tab and have a good ole pizza beforehand...and then I woke up and realized I have to get a few thousand together from a tight budget to pay the house rates. 

[bristolboy]

14 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

If socialized medicine, universal healthcare or Medicaid/Medicare for all (call it what you will) is so great why is Mick Jagger having heart surgery in NYC, USA?

He’s from England right? Is their queue too long? Is the expertise in the USA superior? Does he just want an authentic slice of ny pizza before he goes under the knife?

 

That's the way to make health care policy. Use the options available to the .01 percent as a way to judge the quality of a health care system. 

[ballpoint]

54 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Trump's mouth just shot himself in the foot. 

That's actually easier to do than you would think, as his foot is often in his mouth.

[pegman]

57 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

If socialized medicine, universal healthcare or Medicaid/Medicare for all (call it what you will) is so great why is Mick Jagger having heart surgery in NYC, USA?

He’s from England right? Is their queue too long? Is the expertise in the USA superior? Does he just want an authentic slice of ny pizza before he goes under the knife?

 

OK, tell us this, if American healthcare is so great why is Republican Senator Rand Paul going to Canada for an operation? Plus he is a doctor.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/politics/rand-paul-canada-surgery/index.html

Edited April 3, 2019 by pegman

[mikebike]

45: handing out GOP-damaging election issues like candy...

[KMartinHandyman]

OK, tell us this, if American healthcare is so great why is Republican Senator Rand Paul going to Canada for an operation? Plus he is a doctor.
 
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/politics/rand-paul-canada-surgery/index.html

You could have dug a little deeper,,
I’ll let him tell you,,,
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul said he made the ultimate capitalist decision by choosing to go to Canada instead of the United States for hernia surgery.
"I looked for a place that did primarily that type of surgery. A place that actually accepts Americans who pay cash," Paul said in an interview with Wave 3 News in Washington, D.C.. "It's a private hospital. The funny thing is, people had an agenda that wanted to attack me said, 'Oh, you're going to choose socialized medicine.' I'm actually choosing capitalistic medicine because they only take cash from foreigners."
"We have some centers like this," Paul said. "Oklahoma has a center like this but doesn't specialize in the surgery I need. I chose (Shouldice) because they are good at it and actually the price is right."

[mikebike]

16 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

You could have dug a little deeper,,
I’ll let him tell you,,,
Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul said he made the ultimate capitalist decision by choosing to go to Canada instead of the United States for hernia surgery.
"I looked for a place that did primarily that type of surgery. A place that actually accepts Americans who pay cash," Paul said in an interview with Wave 3 News in Washington, D.C.. "It's a private hospital. The funny thing is, people had an agenda that wanted to attack me said, 'Oh, you're going to choose socialized medicine.' I'm actually choosing capitalistic medicine because they only take cash from foreigners."
"We have some centers like this," Paul said. "Oklahoma has a center like this but doesn't specialize in the surgery I need. I chose (Shouldice) because they are good at it and actually the price is right."

Missing your point. And Rand’s deflection is weak, at best.

 

You do realize that he is rejecting care in a similar facility in Oklahoma to PAY for treatment which is free to Canadian citizens - because the socialized system produced better results in this case, right? Of course anyone who can afford it will choose the best health-care wherever it is in the world. Unfortunately 95% of Americans don’t have that option. 20m+ have no options at all.

[KMartinHandyman]

Being the fiscal conservative (insert cheap Charlie) he is I’d bet his last line was the real driver,, the price was right. Which really just confirms our system is overpriced.

[mikebike]

5 minutes ago, KMartinHandyman said:

Being the fiscal conservative (insert cheap Charlie) he is I’d bet his last line was the real driver,, the price was right. Which really just confirms our system is overpriced.

What else would you expect from a monopoly run by insurance corporations for the exclusive benefit of their shareholders?

[Emdog]

"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me hundreds of times and I'm a Trump backer"

2 major campaign promises, one of which was on day 1 of his administration he would present health care plan that would cover everyone with better care and be cheaper.

That didn't happen.

Why would you believe him now, that he has a plan to be presented AFTER 2000 election?

Health care reform is important. If the plan is good, present it now. People could be dying now that would benefit from his great plan. It is cruel to dangle this and delay purely for political reason.

Or far more likely, he has no plan. Same as Mexican wall paid for by Mexico.

[1Gringo]

the biggest reason the R's  don't have a health care plan is because O stole it for the ACA (aka Obama Care).  R's are only capable of one plan each generation.  they won't form another plan until after 2100.

[malibukid]

just had surgery at USC in L.A. excellent hospital nurses, surgeon and Medicare picked up the tab. about $80K.  now if Medicare would extend it's coverage to American expats abroad it would save the American taxpayer thousands.

[TVGerry]

3 hours ago, KMartinHandyman said:

If socialized medicine, universal healthcare or Medicaid/Medicare for all (call it what you will) is so great why is Mick Jagger having heart surgery in NYC, USA?

He’s from England right? Is their queue too long? Is the expertise in the USA superior? Does he just want an authentic slice of ny pizza before he goes under the knife?

 

Mick Jagger is worth a few hundred million, he can go wherever he wants to for heart surgery. Most normal people don't have that option. And for sure, for a majority of people who don't have socialized medicine, they definitely can't afford a major surgery. So it's death then. Funerals are cheaper than an operation.

[alex8912]

4 hours ago, Roadman said:

Gee I need heart surgery. I will seek out the best heart surgeon in the world. Gee he's in NYC. OK I'll just flit a few hundred thousy to fly private jet to good ole New York and pay the tab and have a good ole pizza beforehand...and then I woke up and realized I have to get a few thousand together from a tight budget to pay the house rates. 

Lots of British nowhere near as rich as you pretend,  come to the USA for many types of major surgery etc because the health care is better and they don’t have to wait in some line to stay alive. I have first hand experience because every Late April through Sept I am in Boston doing a lot of apartment leasing and some sales. I spend time with these people or their spouses or families helping them find apts near Longwood Medical area which has several world famous hospitals. They tell me HORROR stories about national health care! I mean they say it is absolutely crap!!  The sadest cases involve their young children who they have to bring to Boston’s Children Hospital for care. They are NOT flying private jets to come here. They want the best and don’t want to wait and die or get mediocre care. I’m self employed and don’t mind paying a large amount of $$ every month for superior health insurance in the USA. 

[alex8912]

4 hours ago, bristolboy said:

That's the way to make health care policy. Use the options available to the .01 percent as a way to judge the quality of a health care system. 

Not true at ALL! Another TVF myth. See my post above. 

[johnnykak]

o alex didn't you know your type calls Massachusetts taxachusetts? lol. i do believe they have a state healthcare system there. maybe next time you should get surgery in alabama lol. the other good comment was on jagger lol. yea he's worth hundreds of millions of dollars- he's just going to get the same health care as every other american lol. o and rand paul the ultimate patriot? yea going to canada because bla bla bla- democrats lol. 

[johnnykak]

ooo yea we can't wait for the nicknames- so presidential! probably spends more time on thinking up nicknames than talking to national security advisors lol. but that ok for guys like you huh.

[johnnykak]

hey alex are you american or english? you seem to know a lot about both lol. seems you say your english but do work in boston part of the year- that much explain your expertise.  seems like a lot of you guys show up talking about brexit and trump a lot lol.

[Mansell]

8 hours ago, KMartinHandyman said:

If socialized medicine, universal healthcare or Medicaid/Medicare for all (call it what you will) is so great why is Mick Jagger having heart surgery in NYC, USA?

He’s from England right? Is their queue too long? Is the expertise in the USA superior? Does he just want an authentic slice of ny pizza before he goes under the knife?

 

In a word: Money.

and he can afford it.

[Tug]

Is Donald’s mouth moving again?guess he is lying again he has no plan to much money being made milking the sick

[alex8912]

4 hours ago, johnnykak said:

o alex didn't you know your type calls Massachusetts taxachusetts? lol. i do believe they have a state healthcare system there. maybe next time you should get surgery in alabama lol. the other good comment was on jagger lol. yea he's worth hundreds of millions of dollars- he's just going to get the same health care as every other american lol. o and rand paul the ultimate patriot? yea going to canada because bla bla bla- democrats lol. 

All my healthcare is based in Massachusetts and I can get a travel policy attached when in Thailand. You make no sense in your ramblings. Upper middle class and upper class British often come to the USA for healthcare and they are not only the top .01 percent. 

[alex8912]

4 hours ago, johnnykak said:

hey alex are you american or english? you seem to know a lot about both lol. seems you say your english but do work in boston part of the year- that much explain your expertise.  seems like a lot of you guys show up talking about brexit and trump a lot lol.

No. You really can’t understand too much tonight. I live in Bangkok and Boston. I work in Boston. I’ve probably made less than 2 or 3 posts regarding Brexit EVER on TVF ( unlike soo many ) so you probably have me confused with another poster. Yes I do know a lot about Great Britain and the States.   This thread is about healthcare and there have been some comparisons and remarks about Britain’s system and I gave my 2 cents ( or pence ) worth. I meet many British citizens that don’t care for or want the free healthcare available there and come to Boston to get expert treatment and surgery’s and  they can pick their expert surgeons and pay for it. They have some money but feel they have to wait usually way to long for the treatment they want in Great Britain and many fear they would die or their children , spouses or relatives or friends would die if they stayed in Great Britain. You should come eavesdrop on some of these very personal chats I have with them and you would not be making fun. 

[bristolboy]

5 hours ago, alex8912 said:

Lots of British nowhere near as rich as you pretend,  come to the USA for many types of major surgery etc because the health care is better and they don’t have to wait in some line to stay alive. I have first hand experience because every Late April through Sept I am in Boston doing a lot of apartment leasing and some sales. I spend time with these people or their spouses or families helping them find apts near Longwood Medical area which has several world famous hospitals. They tell me HORROR stories about national health care! I mean they say it is absolutely crap!!  The sadest cases involve their young children who they have to bring to Boston’s Children Hospital for care. They are NOT flying private jets to come here. They want the best and don’t want to wait and die or get mediocre care. I’m self employed and don’t mind paying a large amount of $$ every month for superior health insurance in the USA. 

Well, it's true that under the Conservatives the NHS has definitely gotten a lot worse. But that said, a sure political losing proposition in the UK is to propose making the British health system more like the USA's. And given the huge cost of health care of the USA, particularly if you don't have access to rates negotiated by insurance companies,  means those Britons coming to the UK are either very wealthy or beggaring themselves to avail themselves of health services in the USA.

What makes your allegations more suspect is that in fact there is access to great private health care in the UK and in many EU countries if you have the money. And it's still a lot cheaper than what USA charges. Sorry, your anecdotal evidence is extremely dubious.

[alex8912]

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Well, it's true that under the Conservatives the NHS has definitely gotten a lot worse. But that said, a sure political losing proposition in the UK is to propose making the British health system more like the USA's. And given the huge cost of health care of the USA, particularly if you don't have access to rates negotiated by insurance companies,  means those Britons coming to the UK are either very wealthy or beggaring themselves to avail themselves of health services in the USA.

What makes your allegations more suspect is that in fact there is access to great private health care in the UK and in many EU countries if you have the money. And it's still a lot cheaper than what USA charges. Sorry, your anecdotal evidence is extremely dubious.

I’m not sure what your very wealthy is and my just wealthy or very wealthy is maybe therein lies the disconnect. I do have to get income and bank information from these people to get accepted into rental contracts however. They usually are not super wealthy but well off to upper middle class. You  can read what I posted 5 min ago before your last post. If you think I am lying about helping many British find housing near the Longwood Medical area in Boston while they get treatment for cancer or have a major surgery and then need an apartment near the hospitals for follow ups then you really are a creep. Cheers dude. 

[Redline]

10 hours ago, KMartinHandyman said:

If socialized medicine, universal healthcare or Medicaid/Medicare for all (call it what you will) is so great why is Mick Jagger having heart surgery in NYC, USA?

He’s from England right? Is their queue too long? Is the expertise in the USA superior? Does he just want an authentic slice of ny pizza before he goes under the knife?

 

I believe there would still be private hospitals and insurance for those that want VIP treatment, but all Americans would be covered.  Sounds terrible right ????

[Gracas]

"Democrats mock Trump"

 

Well there is a headline I would never have expected to see.