UK parliament approves Brexit law forcing May to consult on delay

[stephenterry]

25 minutes ago, blazes said:

That will be good....a no-deal deal that would NOT bring about the apocalypse (as the lying Remainers maintained three years ago and still do today).

 

Rule Britannia.

 Seems like both houses of parliament differ from your home-made crystal ball. 

 

"Both houses of parliament have tonight strongly made clear their view that a no deal would be deeply damaging to jobs, manufacturing and security of our country," said lawmaker Yvette Cooper, one of those responsible for proposing the legislation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Jip99]

Just now, SheungWan said:

Brexiteer sucking.

 

 

I wonder how many Remain voters were in those 4m in 2015.

 

If 16m Remain voters can't vote for UKIP where will they put their "X"?

[Laughing Gravy]

6 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

 Seems like both houses of parliament differ from your home-made crystal ball. 

 

"Both houses of parliament have tonight strongly made clear their view that a no deal would be deeply damaging to jobs, manufacturing and security of our country," said lawmaker Yvette Cooper, one of those responsible for proposing the legislation.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes those "self serving troughers' who have tried constantly to claim the UK is in a financial armageddon when it isn't. Of course they feel they know best and ignore their constituents. I look forward to Cooper been shown the door if not from deselection but the next GE. 70% of her flock voted leave and she puts up two fingers and tells them I don't care. She knows best.

[dick dasterdly]

34 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Brexiteers trying to do "sensible". 

One of these days you'll realise that nobody finds your 'jokes' funny.....

 

Can't you find a better way to 'entertain' yourself than cracking silly one-liners?

[stephenterry]

I would agree May is preventing Brexit being accepted by Labour by not compromising on any of her red lines.  I think the day will come when she signs her own death warrant by agreeing to make close alignment to the Customs Union and single market, which is the best deal she'll get.

 

For those who consider that the single biggest market on the UK's doorstop is not worth keeping and dismissing that the UK can trade with at least 41 countries outside the EU, seems like a quick way to ruin our economy.  

[stephenterry]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Yes those "self serving troughers' who have tried constantly to claim the UK is in a financial armageddon when it isn't. Of course they feel they know best and ignore their constituents. I look forward to Cooper been shown the door if not from deselection but the next GE. 70% of her flock voted leave and she puts up two fingers and tells them I don't care. She knows best.

And of course, you know better. 

[Laughing Gravy]

1 minute ago, stephenterry said:

And of course, you know better. 

No 17.4 million do than a bunch of self serving MP's and Lords.

[SheungWan]

9 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

I wonder how many Remain voters were in those 4m in 2015.

If 16m Remain voters can't vote for UKIP where will they put their "X"?

Its a toss-up between UKIP2 and The Monster Raving Loony Party.

[maingmoom]

1 hour ago, DoctorG said:

Maybe the EU will just say no to a further delay and we will be officially out by the week-end.

Very wishful thinking. But I pray it will happen

[Jip99]

Just now, SheungWan said:

Its a toss-up between UKIP2 and The Monster Raving Loony Party.

 

 

 

Tight call.

 

 

 

 

Farage will split the vote.

[SheungWan]

7 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

 

Tight call.

 

 

 

 

Farage will split the vote.

What's with the quadruple spacing? Or is it some ancient PC falling apart?

[stephenterry]

Just now, Laughing Gravy said:

No 17.4 million do than a bunch of self serving MP's and Lords.

The 17.4m must all have home-made crystal balls, then. And hopefully most of them will have passed on by the next election, probably wrapped in a British flag.

 

Don't you ever read the government's own forecasts regarding our economy, which forecast a no-deal exit would be disastrous. 

[Jip99]

Just now, SheungWan said:

What's with the quadruple spacing? Or is it some ancient PC falling apart?

 

 

I was going to follow your lead today in making 3 word posts.

 

 

Then as an after thought I added the comment about vote splitting.

I usually use triple spacing but I am flexible

and can vary it.

[Jip99]

Just now, stephenterry said:

 

Don't you ever read the government's own forecasts regarding our economy, which forecast a no-deal exit would be disastrous. 

 

 

That would be our government that have botched this process and failed to honour their election promises.

 

Believing a word that they, or any politician says, is a challenge.

[Laughing Gravy]

2 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

The 17.4m must all have home-made crystal balls, then. And hopefully most of them will have passed on by the next election, probably wrapped in a British flag.

 

Don't you ever read the government's own forecasts regarding our economy, which forecast a no-deal exit would be disastrous. 

Yes like these government predictions.  A remaining government predictions count for nothing anymore. The accuracy is about as much as not seeing bomber put his picture up on TVF.

But no doubt you have bought into the project fear and doom and gloom.

 

But we have discussed this before you do not want to see an independent UK.

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564

 

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/the-brexit-bounce-making-a-mockery-of-george-osbornes-project-fear/

 

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/repeated-claims-that-sterling-is-losing-value-are-fake-news/

 

 

 

[stephenterry]

Just now, Jip99 said:

 

 

That would be our government that have botched this process and failed to honour their election promises.

 

Believing a word that they, or any politician says, is a challenge.

Yeah, I agree. It would probably be worse than forecast.

 

But a simple question. What would you personally gain by the UK leaving the EU? About all I can think of is satisfaction and a result. I can't wait to see - when the initial delight fades - exactly what the British public would expect, and when that doesn't happen, there's going to be another blame scenario.

 

[flossie35]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Theresa May needs to go. She is an absolute disgrace. The sooner the better.

Call a GE and lets these MPO's stand up and say what they are about and give the people the choice to select them or show them the door. That's the sensible and democratic thing.

 

We have already had a referendum before the remainers start calling for another and we haven't even enacted upon that one.

How do you enact on an ADVISORY referendum? By listening to the advice, with the option of not taking it. And given the result was obtained by fraud that option should have been taken.

[stephenterry]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Yes like these government predictions.  A remaining government predictions count for nothing anymore. The accuracy is about as much as not seeing bomber put his picture up on TVF.

But no doubt you have bought into the project fear and doom and gloom.

 

But we have discussed this before you do not want to see an independent UK.

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36355564

 

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/04/the-brexit-bounce-making-a-mockery-of-george-osbornes-project-fear/

 

https://briefingsforbrexit.com/repeated-claims-that-sterling-is-losing-value-are-fake-news/

 

 

 

You are mistaken. I have no issue with the UK leaving the EU, providing the withdrawal agreement ensures a more prosperous outlook for the British people. As at today, I see nothing to  support that - only political and party infighting over an exit deal that is worse than remaining in the EU.

 

And not that I would prefer the UK to stay in the EU either - it's just that our government cannot demonstrate that the people WILL be better off, whatever path they take.  

 

Currently, I'm of the opinion that Corbyn's resolution of the impasse is the best way forward, although no way would I support another referendum because that's a cop-out of governing the UK. 

[Jip99]

Just now, stephenterry said:

Yeah, I agree. It would probably be worse than forecast.

 

But a simple question. What would you personally gain by the UK leaving the EU? About all I can think of is satisfaction and a result. I can't wait to see - when the initial delight fades - exactly what the British public would expect, and when that doesn't happen, there's going to be another blame scenario.

 

 

Simple answer - it is not about personal gain. It is about whether I consider it preferable to be in the EU or not in the EU.

 

I love Europe but detest the EU. The EEC I could see mutual benefits, the EU is not I signed up for - politicians/bureaucrats have evolved it into something that I do not like. I am English, British, European in that order. Not in any tub-thumping, racist way - it is just how I see myself.

 

I don't believe that the EU model works and I think there is plenty of evidence of that. I would prefer to be 'controlled' by London rather than Brussels and I believe that English law in England takes precedence over any other laws. Many good things have come out of Europe and and the UK should continue to adopt those rules and regulations that are sensible.

 

Whilst Remainers will say otherwise, the EU feels like a United States of Europe. I don't like that, I don't want to be part of that. If I believe that the EU model does not work then I have to believe it will fail, or at least suffer seriously. USSR didn't work, many peoples of Europe prefer independence and several countries in the EU would rather be out.

 

Personal gain....... because I live in Thailand and travel extensively I am personally suffering (because of the market reaction to Brexit) because most of my income is Sterling based. The exchange rate situation is probably costing me close to 1 m Baht p.a. compared to the spiked pre-Brexit rate.

[Laughing Gravy]

Just now, flossie35 said:

How do you enact on an ADVISORY referendum? By listening to the advice, with the option of not taking it. And given the result was obtained by fraud that option should have been taken.

Oh dear that weak argument has been killed years ago. It is sidelined with a red bus, spoonies and all brexiteers are not educated.

[Basil B]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

 

The government had warned that the legislation was poorly drafted, rushed through parliament and set a dangerous constitutional precedent. Pro-Brexit lawmakers also fiercely opposed the bill.

Poorly drafted, same could be said of May's Brexit deal...

[SheungWan]

10 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

Personal gain....... because I live in Thailand and travel extensively I am personally suffering (because of the market reaction to Brexit) because most of my income is Sterling based. The exchange rate situation is probably costing me close to 1 m Baht p.a. compared to the spiked pre-Brexit rate.

Brexiteers just love to shoot themselves in the foot.

[SheungWan]

11 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Oh dear that weak argument has been killed years ago. It is sidelined with a red bus, spoonies and all brexiteers are not educated.

Some Brexiteers are educated but the foot soldiers are in the back of the bus.

[blazes]

42 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

The 17.4m must all have home-made crystal balls, then. And hopefully most of them will have passed on by the next election, probably wrapped in a British flag.

 

Don't you ever read the government's own forecasts regarding our economy, which forecast a no-deal exit would be disastrous. 

 

Wow, it is truly amazing in this age of fake news that you are prepared to believe "government's own forecasts" so sheepishly.

[Jip99]

Just now, SheungWan said:

Brexiteers just love to shoot themselves in the foot.

 

 

Brexiteers didn't do the shooting...

[stephenterry]

12 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

Simple answer - it is not about personal gain. It is about whether I consider it preferable to be in the EU or not in the EU.

 

I love Europe but detest the EU. The EEC I could see mutual benefits, the EU is not I signed up for - politicians/bureaucrats have evolved it into something that I do not like. I am English, British, European in that order. Not in any tub-thumping, racist way - it is just how I see myself.

 

I don't believe that the EU model works and I think there is plenty of evidence of that. I would prefer to be 'controlled' by London rather than Brussels and I believe that English law in England takes precedence over any other laws. Many good things have come out of Europe and and the UK should continue to adopt those rules and regulations that are sensible.

 

Whilst Remainers will say otherwise, the EU feels like a United States of Europe. I don't like that, I don't want to be part of that. If I believe that the EU model does not work then I have to believe it will fail, or at least suffer seriously. USSR didn't work, many peoples of Europe prefer independence and several countries in the EU would rather be out.

 

Personal gain....... because I live in Thailand and travel extensively I am personally suffering (because of the market reaction to Brexit) because most of my income is Sterling based. The exchange rate situation is probably costing me close to 1 m Baht p.a. compared to the spiked pre-Brexit rate.

That's an honest answer and by far the best I have read on this site. In many ways I am in line with your response, although I do not believe that the current version of the Brexit withdrawal agreement is the best option. I will only respect the government when it demonstrates that the UK populace would benefit by going it alone  - rather than endlessly stating the referendum result must be honoured - and that hasn't happened. To my mind that's the worst failure of this process. 

[blazes]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Or so you tell us.

Chomper's champing at the bit in fear of a no-deal Brexit.  But why?  You're living comfortably (I hope and assume) in a pollution-free city in LoS....

[blazes]

1 hour ago, stephenterry said:

And of course, you know better. 

 

Yes, he does know better for one very good reason: he does not have his snout in the trough, and thus has nothing to gain by his opinion....

[stephenterry]

4 minutes ago, blazes said:

 

Wow, it is truly amazing in this age of fake news that you are prepared to believe "government's own forecasts" so sheepishly.

Yes, it's probably worse than forecast.

[twocatsmac]

Roll on a few months and we’ll still be in a custom union, have a socialist led coalition government. The snp will not be shouting too loudly about independence after denying it to Britain.

The famous left wing mantra “ British people are prepared to pay more taxes” will be heard from Yvette Coopers lips as the greedy b+#$<¥€ds tax the ass of us again.