dick dasterdly Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 29 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: We've had GE's before but you start calling for another one! And the likely result - a hung parliament with the treacherous anti British Corbyn at the helm? Be careful what you wish for. And all because the Tories are divided; and those very rich elites who want to turn the UK into a tax haven low cost economy they can exploit. Bravo. Exactly. We had a GE in which both labour and conservative parties said they would deliver brexit. They are now doing exactly the opposite.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Exactly. We had a GE in which both labour and conservative parties said they would deliver brexit. They are now doing exactly the opposite.... You think that's the only manifesto promise they've broken? They lied to get votes. Neither said how they would deliver Brexit or what Brexit would look like. Just spurious top level waffle pandering to what they thought people wanted to hear. They both know it's not in the country's best interests to leave but are too concerned about themselves to say it. So delay, delay, water down, delay and water down. And we finish up without Brexit and with a worse deal than we had. Yay for May and Corbyn!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 41 minutes ago, Basil B said: If you want to be taken seriously you need to be more realistic with your fantasies. Even if she lost half her votes the Tories are going to take a hammering too, UKIP won't quadruple their vote which probable will be split with the new Brexit Party... More chance of her being the next PM in a coalition government. General Election 2017: Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford Party Candidate Votes % ± Labour Yvette Cooper 29,268 59.5 +4.6 Conservative Andrew Lee 14,769 30.0 +9.2 UKIP Lewis Thompson 3,030 6.2 -15.2 Yorkshire Party Daniel Gascoigne 1,431 2.9 +2.9 Liberal Democrat Clarke Roberts 693 1.4 -1.5 Majority 14,499 29.5 -4.1 Turnout 49,191 60.3 +4.7 Labour hold Swing Who knows? We're living in uncertain times now that the electorate have finally realised that politicians cannot be trusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 36 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: The spineless self serving lying toads who currently occupy parliament haven't got the bottle to revoke Article 50. They sooner keep behaving like they are in the hope someone else will somehow sort it all out so they can blame anybody but themselves. You still haven't answered the question as to whether you think the eu will deny another extension? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superal Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: May was elected by the Tories as PM, not the electorate. May's snap election and her ill judgement to fight only on Brexit showed the folly of that. Political parties aren't likely to offer their voters a Brexit and No Brexit candidate to choose from! And traditional Labor and Tory voters aren't going to vote for another's MP purely on Brexit. Momentum have Labor firmly in its grip. And many young people believe Corbyn's nonsense about a fairer, no nuclear armed, utopia where everything's free and lovely. They've never experienced the sham of a Labor government, it's high punitive taxes and financial waste. If there were to be another G/E or referendum I think that there would be a lot of disillusioned voters who would be asking themselves , " what is the sense in voting when the promises are not delivered " . From either side of the discussion I think most will agree that the meaning of democracy has become diluted and unreliable . The public are being conned and lied to by a brazen faced TM and her cronies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said: That is not for me to judge. It is certainly a reference I probably would have avoided, bit of a minefield. But of course Sheung Wan would have no problem with this as a one-liner ☹️. Sad, but there will always be the odd poster that entertain themselves by throwing out these type of comments - and there's no way to get rid of them ☹️. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Who knows? We're living in uncertain times now that the electorate have finally realised that politicians cannot be trusted. I think the Newport west, By-election was a good indicator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Troll posts and the replies have been removed. Posts bickering about this forum rule have been removed: 16) You will not make changes to quoted material from other members posts, except for purposes of shortening the quoted post. This cannot be done in such a manner that it alters the context of the original post. As long as the truncated replies have not changed the context of the original post, it is ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: You think that's the only manifesto promise they've broken? They lied to get votes. Neither said how they would deliver Brexit or what Brexit would look like. Just spurious top level waffle pandering to what they thought people wanted to hear. They both know it's not in the country's best interests to leave but are too concerned about themselves to say it. So delay, delay, water down, delay and water down. And we finish up without Brexit and with a worse deal than we had. Yay for May and Corbyn!! And a General Election on a single issue good for the country??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: And you can explain the problem you see with statistical method? Quite. It seems fairly obvious to me that a large proportion of the electorate are sick and tired of the lies they are told by our politicians. They've finally 'woken up' - which is why uk MP's are shitting themselves as to how to sell BRINO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: And you can explain the problem you see with statistical method? It is a likely hood and chance a bit like the bookies odds. it is not evidence just a predictional chance. If the sample was a good more than 26,000 voters then it would have been more credible. So how many voters in each Labour areas were polled? Either way lets see at the next GE who stays and who goes. I gave my opinion which you may disagree with or not. I would have thought that relying on polls and especially ones like this, really doesn't mean much and is hardly a guarantee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 17 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: You think that's the only manifesto promise they've broken? They lied to get votes. Neither said how they would deliver Brexit or what Brexit would look like. Just spurious top level waffle pandering to what they thought people wanted to hear. They both know it's not in the country's best interests to leave but are too concerned about themselves to say it. So delay, delay, water down, delay and water down. And we finish up without Brexit and with a worse deal than we had. Yay for May and Corbyn!! Everyone knows that manifesto promises are there to be broken... But we're discussing brexit - where both tories and labour said they would deliver the referendum result - i.e. leave. If they fail to do so, both parties are going to lose one hell of a lot of votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: It is a likely hood and chance a bit like the bookies odds. it is not evidence just a predictional chance. If the sample was a good more than 26,000 voters then it would have been more credible. So how many voters in each Labour areas were polled? Either way lets see at the next GE who stays and who goes. I gave my opinion which you may disagree with or not. I would have thought that relying on polls and especially ones like this, really doesn't mean much and is hardly a guarantee. I was rather hoping you had a rational argument based on an understanding of statistics. I over estimated you. Be assured MPs have an eye on the polls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Basil B said: And a General Election on a single issue good for the country??? It could potentially sought out a very very big issue, so the politicians can start concentrating on the other important issues, like running the country.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, dick dasterdly said: Everyone knows that manifesto promises are there to be broken... But we're discussing brexit - where both tories and labour said they would deliver the referendum result - i.e. leave. If they fail to do so, both parties are going to lose one hell of a lot of votes. This assertion is based on what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Just now, Chomper Higgot said: I was rather hoping you had a rational argument based on an understanding of statistics. I over estimated you. Be assured MPs have an eye on the polls. Thank you I will take that as a complement. If you rely on polls as indicators of political will, especially dubious and flawed ones as you shown in the Guardian, then I definitely estimated you correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 23 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: It could potentially sought out a very very big issue, so the politicians can start concentrating on the other important issues, like running the country.. With the two largest parties sitting on the fence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Can I please have a pint of whatever you're into? Roll on a few months and we’ll still be in a custom union, have a socialist led coalition government. The snp will not be shouting too loudly about independence after denying it to Britain. The famous left wing mantra “ British people are prepared to pay more taxes” will be heard from Yvette Coopers lips as the greedy b+#$Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 May does not have the guts to do that..she knows that there would be a lot of civil unrest. I do not see Labour looking forward to the next GE either. Only one person kicking the can... As for the EU, they know it is highly likely if they refuse an extension the UK will revoke Article 50 before 11pm on Friday... Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Massive civil unrest on the streets etc..think bout it There's also the humiliating senario of no extension and Parliament votes (narrowly) to revoke article 50 [emoji33]Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, malagateddy said: May does not have the guts to do that..she knows that there would be a lot of civil unrest. Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app There is going to be a lot of civil unrest what ever happens, I recon Parliament will be worse than HMP Birmingham on a Friday night, by the end of the week, Sargent at Arms in full riot gear... Don not forget 400 MP's voted against a No Deal Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 57 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: It could potentially sought out a very very big issue, so the politicians can start concentrating on the other important issues, like running the country.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Who cares about the 400 professional liars..if I were french I'd say.." off with their heads ". [emoji6] There is going to be a lot of civil unrest what ever happens, I recon Parliament will be worse than HMP Birmingham on a Friday night, by the end of the week, Sargent at Arms in full riot gear... Don not forget 400 MP's voted against a No Deal Brexit. Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebee Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 5 hours ago, vogie said: Can you provide a link to this story please? Not to that one, but a similar one https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-16-per-cent-of-under35s-would-vote-conservative-study-finds-a4111631.html Young persons comment on this:- I mean, yeah. After the Tories spend years trashing/ignoring pretty every single thing that young voters (under 35), think is important/relevant while santimousilly lecturing them about millennials and avocados, they won't vote for them. Surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaiBunny Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 Just now, tebee said: Not to that one, but a similar one https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/just-16-per-cent-of-under35s-would-vote-conservative-study-finds-a4111631.html Young persons comment on this:- I mean, yeah. After the Tories spend years trashing/ignoring pretty every single thing that young voters (under 35), think is important/relevant while santimousilly lecturing them about millennials and avocados, they won't vote for them. Surprise. Oh god, spare me from self-righteous snowflakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebee Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, dick dasterdly said: Exactly. We had a GE in which both labour and conservative parties said they would deliver brexit. They are now doing exactly the opposite.... I don't think either party could put together a coherent manifesto at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, malagateddy said: Who cares about the 400 professional liars..if I were french I'd say.." off with their heads ". Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Here you go again, slagging off any MP's that does not want a No Deal Brexit, No MP said they would vote for a NO Deal Brexit at the last General Election, topping that all MP's are expected to act in the best interests of their country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebee Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said: Oh god, spare me from self-righteous snowflakes ....said the angry old man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twocatsmac Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, malagateddy said: Can I please have a pint of whatever you're into? Sent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Ok krap, proceed to the 7-11 and ask for a large bottle of Chang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Garvie Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Baerboxer said: May was elected by the Tories as PM, not the electorate. May's snap election and her ill judgement to fight only on Brexit showed the folly of that. Political parties aren't likely to offer their voters a Brexit and No Brexit candidate to choose from! And traditional Labor and Tory voters aren't going to vote for another's MP purely on Brexit. Momentum have Labor firmly in its grip. And many young people believe Corbyn's nonsense about a fairer, no nuclear armed, utopia where everything's free and lovely. They've never experienced the sham of a Labor government, it's high punitive taxes and financial waste. Hit the nail on the head in most of this. I think it is unwise - indeed foolish in the extreme if I might make so bold- for many to imagine that the only issue on people's minds at the next election will be Brexit. There are the small matters of education, NHS, Law, Pensions etc, that many voters are concerned with. Dreams of seeing your most hated MP, losing their seat may have to wait. Not so sure about this:- Momentum have Labor firmly in its grip. And many young people believe Corbyn's nonsense about a fairer, no nuclear armed, utopia where everything's free and lovely. .........1).That is the past, the 80% of Momentum who are against Brexit have put the frighteners on Jezza, many are seeing him now without the rose tinted specs. 2) It is the SNP that are anti nuclear arms, not the Labour Party 3) They've never experienced the sham of a Labor government,........ pretty absurd thing to say given the current state of the Tories. 4) it's high punitive taxes .........taxes were not particularly high in the Blair/Brown era 5) and financial waste .........depends what you want to spend your money on, tax cuts for the rich and austerity for the poor suit you better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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