dick dasterdly Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 22 hours ago, dick dasterdly said: Not that it matters, as this thread is about Wikilinks - good or bad. Some of us think we should know the truth when our govts. behave badly - others think differently. 21 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: I’m particular interested in foreign governments interfering in elections/referendums and those who assist and/or conspire with those foreign governments. Everyone to their own.... Do you seriously think that the US has never interfered with other countries?? ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 31 minutes ago, cleopatra2 said: The WP article specifically stated that Assange should be protected due to Free Speech. Assange is indicted on a criminal act. If the right to free speech protects him from this criminal activity , where if any does this protection halt. Quite, the right of free speech and, more importantly revealing the truth, is being closed down..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said: Quite, the right of free speech and, more importantly revealing the truth, is being closed down..... In which countries is espionage not treated as a criminal offence? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 5 hours ago, bristolboy said: You might want to consider this argument from Alan Rushbridge. No one knows better than he how loathsome is Assange's character but nonetheless" https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/04/12/partnering-with-assange-was-unpleasant-work-like-his-is-crucial/?utm_term=.ea23688944ca So if you do something clearly illegal, but occasionally publish something newsworthy, are you protected by the first amendment? If the hackers that steal millions of credit card details also publish plans about some unrelated newsworthy item, are they allowed to proceed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 5 hours ago, dick dasterdly said: Rubbish of course, as has been pointed out previously..... Wikileaks started out by publishing damning information on regimes. Nobody paid any attention to this ☹️. When they posted damning info. on US war atrocities, it suddenly became extremely important to shut this guy/organisation down.... Can you give examples of the "damning information on regimes" they published? How does your last statement challenge my statement: " Maintaining the it is acceptable to deny democracies secrets and allow autocracy secrets is akin to saying it is acceptable to deny one side in a war weapons while the other side is allowed weapons. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 4 hours ago, dick dasterdly said: Quite, the right of free speech and, more importantly revealing the truth, is being closed down..... And yet in only relatively open societies is the right to secrets being challenged. In closed societies, such as Russian, China, Cuba, etc., the right to have secrets is not being challenged by Wikileaks. Doesn't that suggest some bias to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytime Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 On 4/13/2019 at 10:17 AM, heybruce said: Here's a nice summary: " WikiLeaks’ willingness to serve as an uncritical and enthusiastic laundromat for Russian intelligence reflects the group’s longer history of publishing material with little or no newsworthiness, but calculated to undermine American interests..... In contrast, WikiLeaks almost never publishes leaks that might undermine America’s autocratic rivals. Mr Assange may not be an enemy agent, but he has at least been a useful idiot." https://www.economist.com/britain/2019/04/12/julian-assange-journalistic-hero-or-enemy-agent I'd like to post more, but the moderator's can be really strict about the three sentence fair-use rule. It is within these limits to state that The Economist does not consider Assange to be a journalist. It has better words to describe him. I encourage others to read the article. Read this and wake up.. If your unarmed brother or sister died courtesy of a US helicopter gunship gunning them down my guess is you'd like to know the real truth.. not some government <deleted>... press freedom is everything (new age journalism or not).. other news sites and many government agencies write total fabricated rubbish and many people have died and history has been changed as a consequence .. 1984 sadly is here already.. look at the process for a conservative judge selection.. as for the Russian bullshit (try Clintoncash). Try reading someone and a publication who/that is not a mainstream shill and in this case someone who has a history of championing human rights and protecting the truth https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-13/john-pilger-assange-arrest-warning-history 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptic7 Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 (edited) Watch the documentary CitizenFour to see how much privacy, liberty, true freedom of speech, etc we've got left. ZERO...that's how much. Even for those who despise Snowden, this is the real deal...with the actual people, doing the actual interviews...and is a must-see. Highly rated and Academy Award winning documentary. Edited April 14, 2019 by Skeptic7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, andytime said: Read this and wake up.. If your unarmed brother or sister died courtesy of a US helicopter gunship gunning them down my guess is you'd like to know the real truth.. not some government <deleted>... press freedom is everything (new age journalism or not).. other news sites and many government agencies write total fabricated rubbish and many people have died and history has been changed as a consequence .. 1984 sadly is here already.. look at the process for a conservative judge selection.. as for the Russian bullshit (try Clintoncash). Try reading someone and a publication who/that is not a mainstream shill and in this case someone who has a history of championing human rights and protecting the truth https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-13/john-pilger-assange-arrest-warning-history If my unarmed brother or sister died courtesy of a helicopter gunship I would like to know the real truth, regardless of the nationality of the gunship. In relatively open societies I am much more likely to learn the truth than in closed societies. So why is Assange focusing on open societies and not closed societies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytime Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 7 hours ago, heybruce said: If my unarmed brother or sister died courtesy of a helicopter gunship I would like to know the real truth, regardless of the nationality of the gunship. In relatively open societies I am much more likely to learn the truth than in closed societies. So why is Assange focusing on open societies and not closed societies? Sadly we have no open societies anymore, the real truth is reworked.. look at the circus concerning fabricated Russian intel on Trump by the very security organizations at the heart of open society America - CIA, DOJ and FBI.. Lorreta Lynch meeting Billy Boy to discuss golf... 33k emails deleted, McCabe's wife's campaign funded by the Clintons, $2B Clinton foundation donations by countries/powerful people who stop when their horse runs second (Australia donated 88m USD but want to cut pensioners entitlements who went to fight government's wars). A "submissive void" (per Pilger article) now exists in society. Maybe others die or know they will die before ever making it to the drop box in your so called "closed" societies - we don't know. We are in a new media age - journalism and the truth has totally changed. Assange (et al) provides that service with no bullshit spin. I believe we have a right to know the truth in what you deem "open" or "closed" societies not the government crap. Sadly people are more interested in whether someone liked the picture of their meal tonight or the watch or car they are driving. Who will tell you the truth about what really happened with the helicopter gunship now and in years to come?? The Washington Post, the Guardian, Time or perhaps CNN?? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 The house guest from hell... Quote 'Rude, ungrateful and meddling': why Ecuador turned on Assange His second point focused on Assange’s behaviour, which stretched from riding a skateboard and playing football inside the small embassy building to mistreating and threatening embassy staff and even coming to blows with security workers. Valencia said the whistleblower and his lawyers had made “insulting threats” against the country, accusing its officials of being pressured by other countries. He said Assange “permanently accused [embassy] staff of spying on and filming him” on behalf of the United States and instead of thanking Ecuador for nearly seven years of asylum he and his entourage launched “an avalanche of criticisms” against the Quito government. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/11/julian-assange-ecuador-president-lenin-moreno-evict-from-embassy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, andytime said: Sadly we have no open societies anymore, the real truth is reworked.. look at the circus concerning fabricated Russian intel on Trump by the very security organizations at the heart of open society America - CIA, DOJ and FBI.. Lorreta Lynch meeting Billy Boy to discuss golf... 33k emails deleted, McCabe's wife's campaign funded by the Clintons, $2B Clinton foundation donations by countries/powerful people who stop when their horse runs second (Australia donated 88m USD but want to cut pensioners entitlements who went to fight government's wars). A "submissive void" (per Pilger article) now exists in society. Maybe others die or know they will die before ever making it to the drop box in your so called "closed" societies - we don't know. We are in a new media age - journalism and the truth has totally changed. Assange (et al) provides that service with no bullshit spin. I believe we have a right to know the truth in what you deem "open" or "closed" societies not the government crap. Sadly people are more interested in whether someone liked the picture of their meal tonight or the watch or car they are driving. Who will tell you the truth about what really happened with the helicopter gunship now and in years to come?? The Washington Post, the Guardian, Time or perhaps CNN?? All one has to do is read a newspaper from the US with stories critical of the government and opinion pieces giving multiple views on a hot topic, then compare it with the self-censored newspapers of Thailand, to understand, beyond all doubt, that some societies are much more open than others. So why does Assange focus on the relatively open societies and ignore the closed societies? BTW: When the papers you listed have convincing evidence of government or military misconduct, they publish it. Edited April 14, 2019 by heybruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 (edited) If Assange is tried for anything in the US, the outcome has already been fixed "[USA Whistleblower] John Kiriakou : Julian Assange Will Not Get a Fair Trial in The USA" 1 minute 50 seconds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqaYa2ILkWw The video is from June 2018. The judge he cites who reserves all the whistleblowing cases for herself and then denies every defense motion has already been involved with the Assange case since at least last November: "Federal judge delays decision on unsealing ‘interesting’ Julian Assange case" https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/federal-judge-delays-decision-on-unsealing-interesting-julian-assange-case/2018/11/27/ea76d4d6-f1c6-11e8-bc79-68604ed88993_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d48d786392f3 Edited April 14, 2019 by JimmyJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted April 14, 2019 Share Posted April 14, 2019 (edited) 18 hours ago, gk10002000 said: Who the heck are you to make such judgements and criticize? There are not issues here except he broke the law. The courts have ruled many times what the bounds of free speech are and what US laws are valid and necessary to protect classified information. Assange went on his mission and has led by most accounts a miserable life and will continue in that fashion. He is an egotist that relished the attention. Just do some research, read his own writings, personal accounts etc. You state that the only issue is the law, then one sentence later you are going on about "...has led by most accounts a miserable life and will continue in that fashion" and "He is an egotist that relished the attention". Are you pointing out a non-existent law against people who TVF poster "gk10002000" has decided have led a miserable life as well as the law against people you have decided are egotists? Statute #? Basil B - "The houseguest from hell..." Etc., etc., ad nauseum in an endless stream of unsinkable sheeple parroting the latest msm off topic smear... "Every single other concern that people are throwing into the mix about Julian Assange is designed to get us talking about anything else other than the fact that Trump is currently attempting to extradite a foreign journalist for exposing war crimes." - Caitlin Johnstone Edited April 14, 2019 by JimmyJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, JimmyJ said: "Every single other concern that people are throwing into the mix about Julian Assange is designed to get us talking about anything else other than the fact that Trump is currently attempting to extradite a foreign journalist for exposing war crimes." Why not take a look at the title of the thread "Julian Assange arrested by British police at Ecuadorean embassy" which has been hijacked by the conspiracy theorists who are trying to convince everyone that Assange is not going to get a fair trial... My post which you seem to think should not be posted, is more appropriate to the theme of this thread than the conspiracy theorists. Maybe those who take issue with the fact that the Americans may ask to extradite him keep their comments to "U.S. charges Assange after London arrest ends seven years in Ecuador embassy" instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Quote Julian Assange used the Ecuadorian embassy in London as a "centre for spying", the country's leader has said. Lenin Moreno also said no other nation had influenced the decision to revoke the WikiLeaks founder's asylum, which he said followed violations by Assange. Speaking to the Guardian, President Moreno claimed Ecuador's old government provided facilities within the embassy "to interfere" with other states. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47927720 Also the Guardians Article: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/14/assange-tried-to-use-embassy-as-centre-for-spying-says-ecuadors-moreno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted April 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2019 Did I read anywhere something like 'we regret the way Assange had to leave the embassy, but are grateful to Ecuador and the Ecuadorian people for the hospitality shown over the past 7 years?' No, in stead Wikileaks decides to publish private photos of the Ecuadorian president and his family. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Those picture oh him out on the balcony must be older than I thought, so being cooped up in windowless room for years he must be living it up wherever they have sent him. sensible diet, gets to exercise in fresh air, shower daily and maybe even on suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blazes Posted April 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 15, 2019 What Assange is "guilty" of is exposing the utter hypocrisy (even mendaciousness) of so many supporters of the status quo or "the way we do business" in America and around the world. Particularly hypocritical is Trump's government's request for extradition, given how Trump in 2016 used to trumpet his "love" for Wikileaks. The Democrats have never (and will never) forgive Assange for revealing what liars were embedded in their administration from 2009 to 2016. Are those who condemn Assange for whistle-blowing content to have their government lie to them, as if their sordid "secrets" were sacrosanct, secrets that help maintain "business as usual" in the halls and cubby-holes of the Capitol? 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, blazes said: What Assange is "guilty" of is exposing the utter hypocrisy (even mendaciousness) of so many supporters of the status quo or "the way we do business" in America and around the world. Particularly hypocritical is Trump's government's request for extradition, given how Trump in 2016 used to trumpet his "love" for Wikileaks. The Democrats have never (and will never) forgive Assange for revealing what liars were embedded in their administration from 2009 to 2016. Are those who condemn Assange for whistle-blowing content to have their government lie to them, as if their sordid "secrets" were sacrosanct, secrets that help maintain "business as usual" in the halls and cubby-holes of the Capitol? I doubt Trump has any say in the Extradition request for Assange, though I do suspect he's doing his best to avoid it happening. His puppet Paul Rand is already suggesting offering immunity to Assange for testimony before Congress. He clearly isn't keen on prosecutors interviewing Assange and doing all that cross checking of what he says against what they know from other sources. What is of note is the contrast between Trump statement, in response to news of Assange's arrest, and what he has previously said about Wikileaks. Why is Trump now telling such a blatant lie? OK, I understand that Trump tells a lot of lies, but he has a particular habit of lying about the extent of his contacts/relationship with people when they find themselves being arrested, charged or otherwise linking him to crimes they have been convicted of. Edited April 15, 2019 by Chomper Higgot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) Very well done, excellent 2 minute summary: "Honest Government Ad | Julian Assange / American Empire" England/Ecuador/Australia/USA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1efOs0BsE0g Edited April 15, 2019 by JimmyJ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 15 hours ago, JimmyJ said: You state that the only issue is the law, then one sentence later you are going on about "...has led by most accounts a miserable life and will continue in that fashion" and "He is an egotist that relished the attention". Are you pointing out a non-existent law against people who TVF poster "gk10002000" has decided have led a miserable life as well as the law against people you have decided are egotists? Statute #? Basil B - "The houseguest from hell..." Etc., etc., ad nauseum in an endless stream of unsinkable sheeple parroting the latest msm off topic smear... "Every single other concern that people are throwing into the mix about Julian Assange is designed to get us talking about anything else other than the fact that Trump is currently attempting to extradite a foreign journalist for exposing war crimes." - Caitlin Johnstone Trump is not trying to extradite Assange. Assange is named in Roger Stone’s Indictment wrt conspiracy between Stone, WikiLeaks and the Trump campaign. It takes a special kind of blinkered view to think Trump wants Assange giving evidence to the FBI. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, JimmyJ said: Very well done, excellent 2 minute summary: "Honest Government Ad | Julian Assange / American Empire" England/Ecuador/Australia/USA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1efOs0BsE0g Can I have my two minutes back? Hogwash claim No1. Assange will not be extradited to be tried in a Grand Jury. Go educate yourself on what Grand Juries are and what they do, you might then have sufficient knowledge not to be taken in by the garbage in the video you linked. Edited April 15, 2019 by Chomper Higgot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 On 4/12/2019 at 10:43 AM, Lucius verus said: Very sad day all round. Freedom of the press is almost extinct and the Thai army will be watching this fiasco in democratic London with interest. Australian gov are cowards for not getting him out of the UK after renewing his passport. They're more interested in grovelling to muslim refugees in distant airports than helping real Australians. Disgusting. Assange will be extradited to USA courtesy of their British lapdogs. What are the odds he will disappear into the vast prison system in USA and die away. Whatever would make you think that the Australian government has any interest in what happens to Australian people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 31 minutes ago, car720 said: Whatever would make you think that the Australian government has any interest in what happens to Australian people? Especially Assange! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Troll post from a cat hater removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PREM-R Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 Assange seen under close observation by undercover CIA agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 (edited) Jimmy Dore does a top notch daily (Monday to Friday, I think) news discussion video - "The Jimmy Dore Show" - released on Youtube. Here on yesterday's show he discusses the corrupt leaders and supporters of the Democrats who Assange exposed, the captive USA "journalists", and more: "Assange Exposes Democrat Fascists, Torturers & Warmongers" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbWiPe--U3E Edited April 16, 2019 by JimmyJ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gk10002000 Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 On 4/14/2019 at 3:20 PM, JimmyJ said: You state that the only issue is the law, then one sentence later you are going on about "...has led by most accounts a miserable life and will continue in that fashion" and "He is an egotist that relished the attention". Are you pointing out a non-existent law against people who TVF poster "gk10002000" has decided have led a miserable life as well as the law against people you have decided are egotists? Statute #? Basil B - "The houseguest from hell..." Etc., etc., ad nauseum in an endless stream of unsinkable sheeple parroting the latest msm off topic smear... "Every single other concern that people are throwing into the mix about Julian Assange is designed to get us talking about anything else other than the fact that Trump is currently attempting to extradite a foreign journalist for exposing war crimes." - Caitlin Johnstone There is no basis to say that Trump is attempting to extradite a foreign journalist for exposing war crimes. That is the most inane thing ever and is a perfect example of fallacious reasoning tenets, of stacking the argument, asserting the truth etc. The USA justice department, not Trump is attempting to extradite him for violating US laws. Obviously you are fan of Assange so why don't you setup a go fund me page for his defense fund. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted April 16, 2019 Share Posted April 16, 2019 4 hours ago, JimmyJ said: Jimmy Dore does a top notch daily (Monday to Friday, I think) news discussion video - "The Jimmy Dore Show" - released on Youtube. Here on yesterday's show he discusses the corrupt leaders and supporters of the Democrats who Assange exposed, the captive USA "journalists", and more: "Assange Exposes Democrat Fascists, Torturers & Warmongers" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbWiPe--U3E Do you ever take the time to read real news, or do you just look for YouTube videos you agree with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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