Do you believe in God and why

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

For your information, all cultures  had human sacrifice, it have been an universal phenomenon both voluntary and forced. Today we call it death penalty where somebody have to pay for what they have done and justice have been done to those who suffered for their action. Guilty or not, it is justified with an approved conviction.

 

In indigenous groups, their rituals was sacred and I believe it involved honor to be sacrificed, not as an punishment. 
 

Vikings did sacrifice humans as well, that have often been romanticized as some of the true wild barbarians who overcome everything. Well, nuff said, humans true nature let it live as free spirits leads to quite interesting things as history shows us. 
 

Does it justifies the slaughter of the indigenous people in America? And stealing their land? All in the name of the church? The Church who still practiced the Spanish Inquisition? 
 

 

Now you're ranting. 

I was only suggesting to be reasonable, and observe facts from different points of view. 

I also have sympathies, but sympathy should not affect the perception of reality. 

Emotions are ok, they are part of us, but we should not imho been ruled by emotions. 

It's your choice, whatever is good for you.

[Hummin]

You stated it as an obvious fact, that all tribes practiced human sacrifices, Im not sure they did, except some few did almost to extinction. A few more tribes might have done so in shorter periods, but where is the facts all them did, and it was a widespread phenomenon.

A daily rant improves daily life. Another absolute’s ????

 

However, sympathy has nothing to do with it, it is about what is right or wrong. 
 

Was it right to free Iraq from Saddam? And why so, if you believe so?
 

We can have sympathy with those who was living under a strict regulated dictatorship, but that concerned very few inside Iraq, versus the result of the conflict as we in aftermath see it. 

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

daily rant improves daily life. Another absolute’s ????

Fair enough, and i did not state anything as absolute fact.

That is a lie and you know it.

I was simply saying that not everything was perfect in old societies. And surely not in modern societies. 

If you are looking for useless arguments, well, I'm not interested. 

 

[Hummin]

31 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Fair enough, and i did not state anything as absolute fact.

That is a lie and you know it.

I was simply saying that not everything was perfect in old societies. And surely not in modern societies. 

If you are looking for useless arguments, well, I'm not interested. 

 

I thought we had a friendly conversation and not a pissing contest. My bad if it is how it came out to you. Absolutely not my intention at all. 

 

As we have stated many times, there is no absolute truths when it comes to history in any form.

 

We know humans have cruel sides as good sides, and this have been balancing from one end of the scale to the other side throughout our whole history no matter time or culture.

 

We agree to agree, have a nice weekend, and again sorry for the incident that made you triggered. 

[mauGR1]

30 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I thought we had a friendly conversation and not a pissing contest. My bad if it is how it came out to you. Absolutely not my intention at all. 

 

As we have stated many times, there is no absolute truths when it comes to history in any form.

 

We know humans have cruel sides as good sides, and this have been balancing from one end of the scale to the other side throughout our whole history no matter time or culture.

 

We agree to agree, have a nice weekend, and again sorry for the incident that made you triggered. 

That's better, I also apologize if sometimes inadvertently i say something wrong. 

Have a good time too????

[Tippaporn]

What are dreams and what purpose do they serve?  Are they real?  I will say they are as real, or more, than waking reality.  But since we have, for the most part, been taught to ignore our dreams, we don't give them much thought.  We know so little of dreaming life that even when we do have recall they can appear absolutely chaotic and bizarre.  Dream events, therefore, can be difficult to decipher.

Apologies for another long post.  Those with reading disabilities will not get through it. 

Here's my dream, or at least one of them, that's interrupted my sleep as I had to write it all down.  I'll post the dream and give my thoughts on dreams later.  I'm going back to sleep. 

 

The dream started with someone ringing our doorbell incessantly while I was asleep.  I had the notion it started at 4:30 AM sharp.  Quite early for someone paying a visit.  A part of me heard it but didn't react.  Perhaps I let it go on for 15 minutes before I yelled out, "Sa kroo (wait a minute in Thai)" a number of times.  First softly and then loudly as I thought they might not have heard me at first.  I heard English speakers and so then yelled out, "Hang on, I'm coming.  I'm here."

 

I began getting dressed, making a cup of coffee, and going through my usual morning routine as if I wasn't too concerned about simply rushing to the door to greet whoever was there and letting them wait for however long.  It turned out that it took me quite some time before I finally got around to opening the door. There were a number of people.  They were all former high school classmates of mine.  I hadn't seen them since high school.

 

They had come for the reason that we were all going on a camping trip.  I was asking where we were going to camp.  I was in Thailand and I knew of many places to go camping which were not a far drive.  One guy gave me the name of a campground but the name didn't ring a bell so I asked him where it was.  He explained that it was up north, about 10 minutes over the Illinois border into Wisconsin.  That was well and fine for folks living in Chicago.  Perhaps a few hours drive.

 

I immediately thought that was too far given that it was now 6:52 in the morning.  There was a clock that I was looking at.  One of the ladies looked at the clock too and I felt she was dismayed that it was getting late.  There was another clock and it's time was a mere minutes earlier.  So I told her, "Well, that clock is a bit fast" and pointed her to the other clock in a lame attempt to get her to feel a bit better about the time slipping away.

 

My wife was up and about throughout the time since I had gotten out of bed.  And now I remember that as I was in bed realising that the doorbell was ringing and ignored it for maybe 15 minutes it took a superhuman effort to actually raise myself out of the bed.  It seemed almost impossible to move my body.  There was a huge resistance, which sometimes is usual in dreams.  (Has anyone ever experienced trying to run from danger in a dream and you can't seem to?  It's absolutley frustrating to me as I am a fast runner.)

 

When I greeted the first person I gave him a warm hug.  Same with the next person I greeted, a lady, and I gave her a kiss on the cheek, too.  She did likewise.  We were old friends.  That's when I realised that there were quite a few people.  Perhaps a dozen or so.  And some of them had brought their children, at least a few of them who caught my attention long enough to where I watched them in their activities.

 

I returned my attention to where we would go camping and expressed my opinion to everyone that I thought that camping in Wisconsin was too far to go.  Now I had the feeling that we, I and everyone else, were in southern California (were I actually lived for a short time).  Again, I was thinking about the time since everyone had to be back at their respective homes that same day.  My sense of time then told me it was near 7 AM west coast time, which was two hours behind their central standard time.  Which meant that it was near 9 AM their local time.   The day seemed to be slipping away fast.

 

So I again suggested we go somewhere that I knew of that was very close by.  In fact, just outside my door was a great expanse of nature.  Very park like.  I said, "Hey, we could camp right here" and mentioned that we had done so before.  There were a few bodies of water present.  One guy asked about going swimming.  I said sure, you can go swimming here and looked at the largest body of water.  I was then dismayed as I realised some sort of construction was going on.  The water was there but seeing through to the bottom they were digging it out and making it deeper.  I indicated that perhaps we couldn't swim there due to the construction and so pointed to another body of water which I knew to be much too shallow for swimming.

 

While I was suggesting where to go I was again in Thailand.  I mentioned to one guy in particular that we should do this more often.  I told him that a lot of my Thai friends go camping and we could all go together sometime.  I have, BTW, done quite a number of camping trips in waking life around Thailand where I was the only farang.

 

Now I've had plenty of dreams where I was awake.  At least in the sense that I was fully aware of everything that was occurring.  But at the same time I was struggling to keep my eyes open and often times they were shut, though I could still see.  One guy in particular gave me a quizzical look as he noticed my eyes were shut.  I told him, mentally rather than through speech, "Don't worry, I haven't been sleeping and I've heard everything that's been said and I can still see."

 

We were now all laying about and I began asking why I was not informed of this planned camping trip.  I asked who, if anyone, had called me in advance to let me know about this trip.  No one identified themselves as the one who called.  At this point I was looking at everyone's faces.  I could see each one clearly but could not recognise anyone.  That began to bother me.  I realised rationally that everyone had aged and therefore they may not look as they did when I knew them in school.  So I had the idea that everyone identify themselves by name.  I'm not sure I voiced that idea but that never happened.

 

Instead one guy, who I couldn't or didn't see as his voice seemed to come from everywhere, was explaining to me that everyone here was part of a group that was formed specifically to increase their wealth.  It was mentioned that one of the group, who was not there, had already achieved USD 75 million.  For some reason I was aware of this sometime earlier in the dream.  His was the only name that was given; James Leahy.  I thought to myself, "Yeah, I remember him from school."  Though in real life there was a Leahy in our school but he or she may have been a year or three senior.

 

Anyway, I thought this was most opportune.  And it dawned on me that they specifically targeted me to join their group as they recognised that I, too, had aspirations to increase my wealth.  They felt that I was a perfect fit for their club.  In my waking world I have come to a conscious decision to move away from engineering into something entirely different though I don't have a clue what that might be.  Not that the fact that I have no idea is a show stopper.  I know full well that when moving towards a new direction little of the path can be seen.  No worries about that as the path will eventually be made clear.

 

I woke up because I needed to go piddle.  I lay in bed for a few minutes recalling as much detail as I could about the dream.   And then decided to get up (it was 11:47) and write it all down as surely many of the details would soon be forgotten if I didn't.

 

This dream was especially vivid and very coherent.  The flow of scenes would, as is typical in dreaming, shift quite naturally from one event to something entirely different without the usual waking time thread in which one can follow the transitions through.

 

I also remember at one point, since I was exceedingly groggy throughout the dream trying to shake my feeling of sleepiness, that I saw my own image.  Not in a mirror but as if I was looking at myself from another vantage point outside myself, and I was utterly embarrassed that my hair was stringy with many bald spots and disgustingly oily.  I had the horrid thought that I was presenting myself in front of all these people looking as I did.

 

At another point I recall not being fully clothed.  I also noticed that one of the ladies had her bare bottom showing.  That was the extent of those brief scenes that did not seem to have any relevance to anything else in the dream.  Perhaps the connection there is the overall sense I had throughout the dream that I was caught unprepared for this calling by all of these folks and I felt as if I never had the proper amount of time to properly prepare myself.

 

 

Edited August 5, 2022 by Tippaporn

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/4/2022 at 11:39 AM, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I did want to note my post above discussing vices was not to indicate the person I was replying to was such a person. Just noting that I feel there are two ways of looking at life. One is a more buddhist approach of finding yourself within. The other is that by pushing boundaries in all sorts of ways you can find yourself. The latter is more appealing but I just find the former to be a more honest appraisal of human nature. Could be based on personality type too and the degree to which such indulgences or risks are done in good faith. 

 

I doubt we can ever "find ourself" as life is constantly changing us.

IMO the best we can do is to come to terms with the fact that life is not perfect and we are likewise.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/4/2022 at 12:26 PM, Fat is a type of crazy said:

It's not dividing humans but dividing what can be done to find oneself. Either look within or act in the outside world. Not sure if there's a third category. 

I have a third category- those that do not try to be a better person but live life without a thought for others. Those seem to be in the ascendancy where I live.

[Sunmaster]

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

What are dreams and what purpose do they serve?  Are they real?  I will say they are as real, or more, than waking reality.  But since we have, for the most part, been taught to ignore our dreams, we don't give them much thought.  We know so little of dreaming life that even when we do have recall they can appear absolutely chaotic and bizarre.  Dream events, therefore, can be difficult to decipher.

Apologies for another long post.  Those with reading disabilities will not get through it. 

Here's my dream, or at least one of them, that's interrupted my sleep as I had to write it all down.  I'll post the dream and give my thoughts on dreams later.  I'm going back to sleep. 

 

The dream started with someone ringing our doorbell incessantly while I was asleep.  I had the notion it started at 4:30 AM sharp.  Quite early for someone paying a visit.  A part of me heard it but didn't react.  Perhaps I let it go on for 15 minutes before I yelled out, "Sa kroo (wait a minute in Thai)" a number of times.  First softly and then loudly as I thought they might not have heard me at first.  I heard English speakers and so then yelled out, "Hang on, I'm coming.  I'm here."

 

I began getting dressed, making a cup of coffee, and going through my usual morning routine as if I wasn't too concerned about simply rushing to the door to greet whoever was there and letting them wait for however long.  It turned out that it took me quite some time before I finally got around to opening the door. There were a number of people.  They were all former high school classmates of mine.  I hadn't seen them since high school.

 

They had come for the reason that we were all going on a camping trip.  I was asking where we were going to camp.  I was in Thailand and I knew of many places to go camping which were not a far drive.  One guy gave me the name of a campground but the name didn't ring a bell so I asked him where it was.  He explained that it was up north, about 10 minutes over the Illinois border into Wisconsin.  That was well and fine for folks living in Chicago.  Perhaps a few hours drive.

 

I immediately thought that was too far given that it was now 6:52 in the morning.  There was a clock that I was looking at.  One of the ladies looked at the clock too and I felt she was dismayed that it was getting late.  There was another clock and it's time was a mere minutes earlier.  So I told her, "Well, that clock is a bit fast" and pointed her to the other clock in a lame attempt to get her to feel a bit better about the time slipping away.

 

My wife was up and about throughout the time since I had gotten out of bed.  And now I remember that as I was in bed realising that the doorbell was ringing and ignored it for maybe 15 minutes it took a superhuman effort to actually raise myself out of the bed.  It seemed almost impossible to move my body.  There was a huge resistance, which sometimes is usual in dreams.  (Has anyone ever experienced trying to run from danger in a dream and you can't seem to?  It's absolutley frustrating to me as I am a fast runner.)

 

When I greeted the first person I gave him a warm hug.  Same with the next person I greeted, a lady, and I gave her a kiss on the cheek, too.  She did likewise.  We were old friends.  That's when I realised that there were quite a few people.  Perhaps a dozen or so.  And some of them had brought their children, at least a few of them who caught my attention long enough to where I watched them in their activities.

 

I returned my attention to where we would go camping and expressed my opinion to everyone that I thought that camping in Wisconsin was too far to go.  Now I had the feeling that we, I and everyone else, were in southern California (were I actually lived for a short time).  Again, I was thinking about the time since everyone had to be back at their respective homes that same day.  My sense of time then told me it was near 7 AM west coast time, which was two hours behind their central standard time.  Which meant that it was near 9 AM their local time.   The day seemed to be slipping away fast.

 

So I again suggested we go somewhere that I knew of that was very close by.  In fact, just outside my door was a great expanse of nature.  Very park like.  I said, "Hey, we could camp right here" and mentioned that we had done so before.  There were a few bodies of water present.  One guy asked about going swimming.  I said sure, you can go swimming here and looked at the largest body of water.  I was then dismayed as I realised some sort of construction was going on.  The water was there but seeing through to the bottom they were digging it out and making it deeper.  I indicated that perhaps we couldn't swim there due to the construction and so pointed to another body of water which I knew to be much too shallow for swimming.

 

While I was suggesting where to go I was again in Thailand.  I mentioned to one guy in particular that we should do this more often.  I told him that a lot of my Thai friends go camping and we could all go together sometime.  I have, BTW, done quite a number of camping trips in waking life around Thailand where I was the only farang.

 

Now I've had plenty of dreams where I was awake.  At least in the sense that I was fully aware of everything that was occurring.  But at the same time I was struggling to keep my eyes open and often times they were shut, though I could still see.  One guy in particular gave me a quizzical look as he noticed my eyes were shut.  I told him, mentally rather than through speech, "Don't worry, I haven't been sleeping and I've heard everything that's been said and I can still see."

 

We were now all laying about and I began asking why I was not informed of this planned camping trip.  I asked who, if anyone, had called me in advance to let me know about this trip.  No one identified themselves as the one who called.  At this point I was looking at everyone's faces.  I could see each one clearly but could not recognise anyone.  That began to bother me.  I realised rationally that everyone had aged and therefore they may not look as they did when I knew them in school.  So I had the idea that everyone identify themselves by name.  I'm not sure I voiced that idea but that never happened.

 

Instead one guy, who I couldn't or didn't see as his voice seemed to come from everywhere, was explaining to me that everyone here was part of a group that was formed specifically to increase their wealth.  It was mentioned that one of the group, who was not there, had already achieved USD 75 million.  For some reason I was aware of this sometime earlier in the dream.  His was the only name that was given; James Leahy.  I thought to myself, "Yeah, I remember him from school."  Though in real life there was a Leahy in our school but he or she may have been a year or three senior.

 

Anyway, I thought this was most opportune.  And it dawned on me that they specifically targeted me to join their group as they recognised that I, too, had aspirations to increase my wealth.  They felt that I was a perfect fit for their club.  In my waking world I have come to a conscious decision to move away from engineering into something entirely different though I don't have a clue what that might be.  Not that the fact that I have no idea is a show stopper.  I know full well that when moving towards a new direction little of the path can be seen.  No worries about that as the path will eventually be made clear.

 

I woke up because I needed to go piddle.  I lay in bed for a few minutes recalling as much detail as I could about the dream.   And then decided to get up (it was 11:47) and write it all down as surely many of the details would soon be forgotten if I didn't.

 

This dream was especially vivid and very coherent.  The flow of scenes would, as is typical in dreaming, shift quite naturally from one event to something entirely different without the usual waking time thread in which one can follow the transitions through.

 

I also remember at one point, since I was exceedingly groggy throughout the dream trying to shake my feeling of sleepiness, that I saw my own image.  Not in a mirror but as if I was looking at myself from another vantage point outside myself, and I was utterly embarrassed that my hair was stringy with many bald spots and disgustingly oily.  I had the horrid thought that I was presenting myself in front of all these people looking as I did.

 

At another point I recall not being fully clothed.  I also noticed that one of the ladies had her bare bottom showing.  That was the extent of those brief scenes that did not seem to have any relevance to anything else in the dream.  Perhaps the connection there is the overall sense I had throughout the dream that I was caught unprepared for this calling by all of these folks and I felt as if I never had the proper amount of time to properly prepare myself.

 

 

If you're looking to move away from engineering, it seems the new path is already clear in front of you: become a writer. ????

[Tippaporn]

19 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

If you're looking to move away from engineering, it seems the new path is already clear in front of you: become a writer. ????

Yeah, but the anger has left so I've no hope of competing with Stephen King any longer. 

[mauGR1]

15 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

What are dreams and what purpose do they serve?  Are they real?  I will say they are as real, or more, than waking reality.  But since we have, for the most part, been taught to ignore our dreams, we don't give them much thought.  We know so little of dreaming life that even when we do have recall they can appear absolutely chaotic and bizarre.  Dream events, therefore, can be difficult to decipher.

It's clear to me, comparing dreams with wake it's enlightening, as you can observe the difference between you in the material world, and you in the spiritual world which you create yourself with your thoughts and life situations. 

As for lucid dreaming, one can train himself, i remember Don Juan teaching Castaneda how to do.

I tried and it works. Yet I'm lazy, and i stopped doing it.

My best lucid dream was some 20 years ago.

In the dream, i was with my brother studying a map of a seaside town, and suddenly the map was the real earth, and I was flying over it.

When i dream about flying, it happens every few years, i can be totally happy for days.

[Nemises]

Do you believe in God?

No.

 

 

Why?

Because T-Rex would have eaten all the sheep and cattle on Noah’s boat but the sheep and cattle are still here. 

[Hummin]

3 hours ago, Nemises said:

Do you believe in God?

No.

 

 

Why?

Because T-Rex would have eaten all the sheep and cattle on Noah’s boat but the sheep and cattle are still here. 

???? Well, Noa supposedly Lived around 4000 years ago only, so ? 

[Sunmaster]

 

"An ignorant mind is precisely not a spotless, empty vessel, but one that’s filled with the clutter of irrelevant or misleading life experiences, theories, facts, intuitions, strategies, algorithms, heuristics, metaphors, and hunches that regrettably have the look and feel of useful and accurate knowledge…What’s curious is that, in many cases, incompetence does not leave people disoriented, perplexed, or cautious. Instead, the incompetent are often blessed with an inappropriate confidence, buoyed by something that feels to them like knowledge."

~ David Dunning

[VincentRJ]

9 hours ago, Nemises said:

Why?

Because T-Rex would have eaten all the sheep and cattle on Noah’s boat but the sheep and cattle are still here. 

The early ancestors of humans were slow to develop and had to hide during the time of the Dinosaurs. God was not pleased, so he sent to the Earth a huge asteroid, between 10 and 15 km wide, in order to destroy all of those huge, vicious creatures. ????

 

This allowed our early ancestors, such as purgalicious primatoids, which were small furry animals like rats, to gradually evolve into apes, monkeys and humans.

 

"The diversity of mammals on Earth exploded straight after the dinosaur extinction event, according to UCL researchers.
New analysis of the fossil record shows that placental mammals, the group that today includes nearly 5000 species including humans, became more varied in anatomy during the Paleocene epoch - the 10 million years immediately following the event."

 

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2015/dec/mammal-diversity-exploded-immediately-after-dinosaur-extinction
 

[Nemises]

1 hour ago, VincentRJ said:

The early ancestors of humans were slow to develop and had to hide during the time of the Dinosaurs. God was not pleased, so he sent to the Earth a huge asteroid, between 10 and 15 km wide, in order to destroy all of those huge, vicious creatures. ????

 

This allowed our early ancestors, such as purgalicious primatoids, which were small furry animals like rats, to gradually evolve into apes, monkeys and humans.

 

"The diversity of mammals on Earth exploded straight after the dinosaur extinction event, according to UCL researchers.
New analysis of the fossil record shows that placental mammals, the group that today includes nearly 5000 species including humans, became more varied in anatomy during the Paleocene epoch - the 10 million years immediately following the event."

 

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2015/dec/mammal-diversity-exploded-immediately-after-dinosaur-extinction
 

Great to see that you are agreeing with science in the evolution of man. So much for God creating man!

 

 

Edited August 16, 2022 by Nemises

[VincentRJ]

5 minutes ago, Nemises said:

Great to see that you are agreeing with science in the evolution of man. So much for God creating man!

 

Don't you know that nothing occurs by chance or accident? ????

[Tippaporn]

8 hours ago, VincentRJ said:

Don't you know that nothing occurs by chance or accident? ????

Chance, accident, luck, happenstance, fluke, quirk, coincidence, and providence are all terms invented to provide an answer that the rationale mind could accept for the occurrence of events that otherwise cannot not be explained.  Science uses many of these terms in their "explanations" of how reality works.  Science most surely believes in the invisible God of Chance which they've been unable to prove the existence of.

How about science does the tough work of coming up with real answers instead of faux theories with holes so large that you can easily drive an universe through them?

It's funny that science loves to poke holes in "non-fact" based ideas by positing questions that no one promoting those "non-fact" based ideas have answers for.  And then heap ridicule on these stupid pagans.  Yet science is just as guilty as so many of their theories have huge unexplained gaps where the thread from point A to point Z is cut again and again.  So what to do about those missing links?  Well, let's just paper over them all over with "chance" and "accident."  That should suffice.

The hypocrisy is so overwhelming that it's laughable.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

20 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Chance, accident, luck, happenstance, fluke, quirk, coincidence, and providence are all terms invented to provide an answer that the rationale mind could accept for the occurrence of events that otherwise cannot not be explained.  Science uses many of these terms in their "explanations" of how reality works.  Science most surely believes in the invisible God of Chance which they've been unable to prove the existence of.

How about science does the tough work of coming up with real answers instead of faux theories with holes so large that you can easily drive an universe through them?

It's funny that science loves to poke holes in "non-fact" based ideas by positing questions that no one promoting those "non-fact" based ideas have answers for.  And then heap ridicule on these stupid pagans.  Yet science is just as guilty as so many of their theories have huge unexplained gaps where the thread from point A to point Z is cut again and again.  So what to do about those missing links?  Well, let's just paper over them all over with "chance" and "accident."  That should suffice.

The hypocrisy is so overwhelming that it's laughable.

No hypocrisy in science itself. How many times does it have to be said. They have a theory. Test it. Some theories close to proven. Some lesser so but extremely likely. Some lesser so still so just a theory that can be debated but still much more likely than theories of control by a god. Some individuals go beyond science and call it science. Criticise them - no problem. 

Dreams. Luck. I think we all think, from time to time, that maybe there is some outside influence. This is more likely explained by human nature rather than reality. Until there's proof dreams and luck are just dreams and luck. 

Edited August 16, 2022 by Fat is a type of crazy

[Tippaporn]

9 hours ago, VincentRJ said:

Don't you know that nothing occurs by chance or accident? ????

Sorry, VincenRJ, but I've gotta harp on this ridiculous notion of chance and accident you put forth as "fact."

 

You laugh at faith and then quickly turn around and castigate people for refusing to believe in chance and accident.  Yet you can't prove that what these terms represent is indeed a functioning mechanism of the workings of reality.  You yourself operate wholly on faith that chance, accidents, or other such synonyms used to describe unexplained events are real.

If what you say is true, that these terms are definitively operative in the workings of reality, then do explain what laws govern them.  Or what triggers them?  Or how they work in the grand scheme of things?  Do get as detailed in your explanation as you can.

I'm pulling your leg here, VincentRJ, because the questions I posed to you are purely rhetorical.  We all know, as do you, that you are incapable of coming up with any explanation of their functionality.  And that is because they do not exist.  As much as you believe that sh!t just happens it doesn't.

I'll challenge you to prove me wrong on any of the above.

[mania]

8 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Dreams. Luck. I think we all think from time to time maybe there is some outside influence but that may be human nature more than reality. Until there's proof dreams and luck they are just dreams and luck. 

Or the supposed outside influence was one of the very few times we actually had some control over our ability to manifest our reality

 

As for dreams, Well that is a bit of a mess again due to our lack of control of our own abilities

Many times as we try to remember our dreams we need to translate from "xxDreamxx"  into the now & there is not always a word for it so we take the next best thing/feeling to get close. It is no wonder so many recalled dreams seem so weird/distorted as they were translated by our inability to translate/recall clearly

 

Then again ask many people what they had for lunch day before yesterday & even that they do not know/remember

 

Lastly there are many who ask how do we even know that when we lay down at night & sleep we are not in reality waking up from this dream? To which someone always replies, "That is nuts! If this were the dream why does it have continuance day after day?"

But yet again like the lunch example above do you remember what you did in your dream last week? Yesterday? Then why be surprised at the lack of so called continuance in your dreams ????

[Tippaporn]

28 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

No hypocrisy in science itself. How many times does it have to be said. They have a theory. Test it. Some theories close to proven. Some lesser so but extremely likely. Some lesser so still so just a theory that can be debated but still much more likely than theories of control by a god. Some individuals go beyond science and call it science. Criticise them - no problem. 

Dreams. Luck. I think we all think, from time to time, that maybe there is some outside influence. This is more likely explained by human nature rather than reality. Until there's proof dreams and luck are just dreams and luck. 

No hypocrisy in science?  Perhaps you haven't read my subsequent post.

Facts themselves are a weak brew of reality.  The truthiness of any fact is relative to the reality from which the fact resides.  That statement may make no sense to you, Fat is a type of crazy, but that is only due to a lack of knowledge.  The lack of knowledge is regarding who and what we are and what the true nature of this or any other reality is.  I'll throw in that this reality isn't the only one.

If there's any one assumption that's taken for granted that is erroneous, but incorporated into so many theories about existence, it is that physical reality is the only reality.  Perhaps one day our species will move away from the "one world, one God" paradigm.

[mauGR1]

10 hours ago, VincentRJ said:

Don't you know that nothing occurs by chance or accident? ????

Is the "big bang" included?

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Is the "big bang" included?

LOL.  Are you trolling him, mauGR1?  Of course the Big Bang was an accident.  From nothing everything appeared.  And if we grant that theory as correct then God only knows what triggered it.  I know that the triggering mechanism is rarely discussed.  Best just gloss over that.  In fact the Big Bang was the Greatest of Great Accidents.  It was the Father of all accidents.  Maybe the mother, too.  Of course with the emergence of LGBQT+ it might be politically proper to use any number of other sexual orientations.  It was the Zim or Zee of all accidents.

[mauGR1]

9 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The truthiness of any fact is relative to the reality from which the fact resides

Well spoken, to think otherwise is unscientific. 

I'm amazed how so many  grown people can think that there's only 1 reality. 

There are infinite realities, and humans, well, some of them, can choose. 

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  Are you trolling him, mauGR1?  Of course the Big Bang was an accident.  From nothing everything appeared.  And if we grant that theory as correct....

Well, I'm provoking, or trying to get a rational response. 

Those science types seem to think that creation happened randomly, while imho is more rational to think that everything has a reason to be, and there's an intelligent design at work.

So yeah, big bangs happen, but they are part of the design. 

[Tippaporn]

45 minutes ago, mania said:

Or the supposed outside influence was one of the very few times we actually had some control over our ability to manifest our reality

 

As for dreams, Well that is a bit of a mess again due to our lack of control of our own abilities

Many times as we try to remember our dreams we need to translate from "xxDreamxx"  into the now & there is not always a word for it so we take the next best thing/feeling to get close. It is no wonder so many recalled dreams seem so weird/distorted as they were translated by our inability to translate/recall clearly

 

Then again ask many people what they had for lunch day before yesterday & even that they do not know/remember

 

Lastly there are many who ask how do we even know that when we lay down at night & sleep we are not in reality waking up from this dream? To which someone always replies, "That is nuts! If this were the dream why does it have continuance day after day?"

But yet again like the lunch example above do you remember what you did in your dream last week? Yesterday? Then why be surprised at the lack of so called continuance in your dreams ????

For our or any other reality to function in a practical sense requires a flow of information which technology can never hope to replicate.  In dreams we have access to much more information.  The rules governing dream reality are not the same as those governing waking reality.  The information we receive in dreams needs to be distilled and packaged in a way that allows us an understanding.  There's translation occurring.

 

It's  not so much a lack of control of our own abilities.  Rather it's because we've been taught that dreams are meaningless.  Therefore no one attempts any serious study of them.

[Tippaporn]

10 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, I'm provoking, or trying to get a rational response. 

Those science types seem to think that creation happened randomly, while imho is more rational to think that everything has a reason to be, and there's an intelligent design at work.

So yeah, big bangs happen, but they are part of the design. 

Eventually the science types reach a dead end and run out of plausible arguments to counter with.  So far no bite in an attempt to prove the existence of chance and accidents.  Or the existence of a God of Chance.  They just move on and continue to believe in a whole lot of unproven assumptions which they base their lives on.

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Eventually the science types reach a dead end and run out of plausible arguments to counter with.  So far no bite in an attempt to prove the existence of chance and accidents.  Or the existence of a God of Chance.  They just move on and continue to believe in a whole lot of unproven assumptions which they base their lives on.

What strikes me is the hypocrisy. 

Or perhaps the laziness to think critically. 

They condemn faith as total nonsense and scourge of humankind, and then they give their faith to the manipulators.

Let's be careful where we put our faith.

[Tippaporn]

Just now, mauGR1 said:

What strikes me is the hypocrisy. 

Or perhaps the laziness to think critically. 

They condemn faith as total nonsense and scourge of humankind, and then they give their faith to the manipulators.

Let's be careful where we put our faith.

Hubris.