Do you believe in God and why

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

I have to inform you about reading and understanding what people write! Since early days humans had an affection with the supernatural that might be heritaged through dna memory like animals who we believed  and described as pure instincts, now later we researching dna memory.

It's a lot simpler than that IMO. Early humans were fearful of everything, the tigers, the thunder, etc, and created gods to protect them, which became appeasing the gods by sacrifice to prevent nasty gods killing them.

Some humans realised that there was food to be had from the sacrifices and invented religion ( by which they claimed to speak to the gods so people would turn to them to intercede with the gods ) to garner the sacrifices to themselves. That eventually became money, as all religions want tithing.

Leap forward to today, and religion has become big business.

[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Genes dictate as always and genes dictate that the strongest get the best women to breed in. Thus the human race will survive, which is one of the top genetic imperatives.

Hierarchies, IMO, were created by humans to ensure the top dogs get the women with the best genes.

 

NB Strongest has never implied "goodness".

I was not just referring to the human society, and not even just to the physical reality.

I was referring to hierarchy on every plane of existence, including the planes invisible to us.

What you say makes sense on the physical plane, but a person who looks very weak physically, may be higher, or stronger in the hierarchy of spiritual development. 

 

[Tippaporn]

Here's what happens when you don't understand what beliefs are . . . you're apt to believe anything that has even a scintilla of rational behind it.  Especially if the beliefs come from "experts" or "science" all citing "studies."  There's no questioning "experts" or "science."  You wouldn't question God, would you?  Now that would be silly.

For the science minded here, or those who blindly accept every word or study science produces as valid, I'll tell ya, given all of the known instances of whoring themselves out for money, compromising their integrity over ideologies, undermining their trust over conflicts of interest and even going so far as to be outright deceptive at times the institution is absolutely destroying their credibility.  I remember in the 60's when a product bore the label "Made in Japan."  it may as well have read "Junk."  Because at that time the two were synonymous.  These days whenever I hear the words science or experts I roll my eyes.  Science as an institution has totally lost it these days.

Anyway, I laughed my ar$e off watching this.  So true, so sad. 
 

 

[mauGR1]

13 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Here's what happens when you don't understand what beliefs are . . . you're apt to believe anything that has even a scintilla of rational behind it.  Especially if the beliefs come from "experts" or "science" all citing "studies."  There's no questioning "experts" or "science."  You wouldn't question God, would you?  Now that would be silly.

For the science minded here, or those who blindly accept every word or study science produces as valid, I'll tell ya, given all of the known instances of whoring themselves out for money, compromising their integrity over ideologies, undermining their trust over conflicts of interest and even going so far as to be outright deceptive at times the institution is absolutely destroying their credibility.  I remember in the 60's when a product bore the label "Made in Japan."  it may as well have read "Junk."  Because at that time the two were synonymous.  These days whenever I hear the words science or experts I roll my eyes.  Science as an institution has totally lost it these days.

Anyway, I laughed my ar$e off watching this.  So true, so sad. 
 

 

There were a few posts about Bob Dylan the other day, so here's some lyric which impressed me when i was an almost innocent teen :" .. and if my thoughtdreams could be seen, they'd probably put my head in a guillotine.." so I'm not sure what i can say more ????

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, mauGR1 said:

There were a few posts about Bob Dylan the other day, so here's some lyric which impressed me when i was an almost innocent teen :" .. and if my thoughtdreams could be seen, they'd probably put my head in a guillotine.." so I'm not sure what i can say more ????

It's also been said that if Jesus Christ had his second coming and spoke the truth he'd be crucified again in a New York minute.  By the same people who so anxiously awaited his return as their savior, too.  Because his truths would run counter to their false beliefs.

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

It's also been said that if Jesus Christ had his second coming and spoke the truth he'd be crucified again in a New York minute.  By the same people who so anxiously awaited his return as their savior, too.  Because his truths would run counter to their false beliefs.

Sure, many people in fact have paid a high price for telling the truth as it is.

Yet, most of the people i talk to, are so deeply involved with their materialistic needs, that they don't even want to discuss it.

[Hummin]

I sense a mirror effect when claiming one thing over the other when it comes to science and belief, one without the other is non existent! Simple as that 

[Sunmaster]

Regarding cell memory. I had to mull it over for a few days, and the question(s) that popped up in my mind was....

 

A fetus in a womb, developing into a baby. Where or how does it learn to make the heart work? When it is born, how does it know how to breathe?

Obviously nobody is teaching it how to do it. So, where does this knowledge come from? Is it stored in our genes? Cells? Atoms? Or is it stored in some psychic database to which the baby has access? Or is it data carried by a cosmic field to which we have all and always access?

Edited February 28, 2023 by Sunmaster

[save the frogs]

3 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Sure, many people in fact have paid a high price for telling the truth as it is.

Yet, most of the people i talk to, are so deeply involved with their materialistic needs, that they don't even want to discuss it.

and then there's david bowie's lyrics in starman.

there's a starman waiting in the sky

he'd like to come and meet us but he thinks he'd blow our minds.

 

maybe most people would lose their minds if god suddenly appeared in the clouds. 

 

[Hummin]

26 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

and then there's david bowie's lyrics in starman.

there's a starman waiting in the sky

he'd like to come and meet us but he thinks he'd blow our minds.

 

maybe most people would lose their minds if god suddenly appeared in the clouds. 

 

Would most of us believe it was god if he suddenly appeared? Doubt so, we are not stupid you know

[mauGR1]

16 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

God created a universe with black holes that consume entire solar systems- so why does anyone assume that God is "merciful".

While i have to admit that i have been feeling that way, there's something i have to say about it.

This time, i will call God " the higher self".

(Sorry for those who think that higher and lower don't exist)

The higher self is everywhere, in the flowers, in the edible plants, in the cute birds and the blue sky, but also in the tsunamis, in the poisonous insects, and in the cruelty of the man.

If a man happens to be merciful, he makes the mercy of the higher self visible in this world. 

Perhaps i could complain about the general lack of mercy in this world, but then, i could also be grateful for the merciful folks out there.

So, to say that " God is not merciful " is not exactly correct imho.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

Regarding cell memory. I had to mull it over for a few days, and the question(s) that popped up in my mind was....

 

A fetus in a womb, developing into a baby. Where or how does it learn to make the heart work? When it is born, how does it know how to breathe?

Obviously nobody is teaching it how to do it. So, where does this knowledge come from? Is it stored in our genes? Cells? Atoms? Or is it stored in some psychic database to which the baby has access? Or is it data carried by a cosmic field to which we have all and always access?

??

It's all in the genes, which can be likened to the operating system for our body. The genetic code carries all the information needed to make us "work", but what we become after born is acquired through our eyes,

ears and body nerve endings.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Hummin said:

Would most of us believe it was god if he suddenly appeared? Doubt so, we are not stupid you know

That's where miracles come into play. Would any have followed a carpenter from Galilee without his miracles?

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, save the frogs said:

and then there's david bowie's lyrics in starman.

there's a starman waiting in the sky

he'd like to come and meet us but he thinks he'd blow our minds.

 

maybe most people would lose their minds if god suddenly appeared in the clouds. 

 

God is all around us, but most can't see what is behind the image they see.

[Hummin]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That's where miracles come into play. Would any have followed a carpenter from Galilee without his miracles?

Thats the story, but as many profets up on time from history, they have always been chased, prosecuted and killed or silenced in some way. Become an Martyr is the ultimate to be remembered

[save the frogs]

55 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

God is all around us, but most can't see what is behind the image they see.

people want to know how this was all created, why it was all created, by whom exactly.

and people want to know why the world is full of bs, war, suffering, etc..

these questions can not be answered man. 

 

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

people want to know how this was all created, why it was all created, by whom exactly.

and people want to know why the world is full of bs, war, suffering, etc..

these questions can not be answered man. 

 

You can want one thing and have a secret wish for its opposite is a good saying, and in physics it is a law that opposites attracts each other, or make balance i  chaos. 

 

Nothing can exist without its opposite just another absolute 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

people want to know how this was all created, why it was all created, by whom exactly.

and people want to know why the world is full of bs, war, suffering, etc..

these questions can not be answered man. 

 

People can want, but they won't be finding out till they pass over the great divide. One of the advantages of faith is that the faithful don't need those answers. We don't need to know why and we know God created it.

 

God gave us free will, so blame humans for the suffering in the world, not God.

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

people want to know how this was all created, why it was all created, by whom exactly.

and people want to know why the world is full of bs, war, suffering, etc..

these questions can not be answered man. 

 

Absolutely they can.  One of the  greatest fallacies taught is that answers aren't available.  The belief that man cannot understand who he is and his reality acts as a literal blinder which prevents you and all others subscribing to that belief from accessing the answers.

 

That belief produces a result.  The result is blindness to finding answers.

 

Here's how it works.  You start by looking for answers.  You belive that you cannot find answers.  You do not find answers which then reaffirms your belief that you can't find answers.  You again look for answers, still believing that you cannot find them.  And again you don't find answers.  Your belief is then reaffirmed.

 

You repeat the exact same process over and over again.  Eventually you convince yourself of the reality you've unwittingly created for yourself and then come onto a forum and express your "truth."

 

"These questions cannot be answered by man."

 

All that you've done is enter into an endless loop for which there is no way out as long as that belief is maintained.  The only way  

. . . the only way out . . . is to change the belief.  Change the belief and the results change.  Just as the old belief produced results which mirrored the belief perfectly so too will a new belief produce results which mirror that belief perfectly.

 

Do you now see how it works?

 

Didn't Einstein famously quip that doing the same thing while expecting different results is the definition of insanity? You can look for an eternity for answers yet if the input remains the same . . . I can't find answers . . . then the output remains the same . . . I can't get any  answers.

 

What I've described above is a process.  Every idea returns a result. I'll go further and say that this processs is the same for every and all issues.  In reality all issues are the same for they all work using the exact same process.

 

Every idea returns a result.  Beliefs are oft repeated ideas.  Therefore every belief returns a result.  The sooner folks understand that the sooner they will be able to actually direct their lives on a conscious basis.  For as long as that process is not understood you will not pay attention to the beliefs you hold for you will believe that ideas and beliefs do not produce effects.  You will not understand how it is that

you create.  And you will therefore be at best half conscious.

 

Ask yourself these questions:

 

What are ideas?

What do ideas do?

What effects do ideas produce?

What are beliefs?

How do beliefs function?

What effects do beliefs produce?

 

The correct answers to those questions are critcal for anyone wishing to understand how it all works.

[Tippaporn]

17 hours ago, Hummin said:

I sense a mirror effect when claiming one thing over the other when it comes to science and belief, one without the other is non existent! Simple as that 

That went over my head.  Care to rephrase?

[Purdey]

23 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Those that believe that God has human emotions are IMO not thinking for themselves.

Why is cancer in children worse than building nuclear bombs to kill millions?

God created a universe with black holes that consume entire solar systems- so why does anyone assume that God is "merciful".

 

BTW Santa is based on a real person that did exist.

Of course, without evidence of God, we cannot believe in him/her/it.

[Purdey]

On 2/28/2023 at 11:03 AM, Hummin said:

I have to inform you about reading and understanding what people write! Since early days humans had an affection with the supernatural that might be heritaged through dna memory like animals who we believed  and described as pure instincts, now later we researching dna memory.

Yes, dogs go woof. Flight or fight is perhaps passed down. As there is no word heritaged in the dictionary, I guess my English is pretty good and I understand when someone doesn't know science.

[jumbo]

6 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Of course, without evidence of God, we cannot believe in him/her/it.

I would say exactly the opposite, with proof no reason to believe

[Purdey]

On 2/28/2023 at 12:50 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

BTW Santa is based on a real person that did exist.

The legend of Santa Claus can be traced back hundreds of years to a monk named St. Nicholas. It is believed that Nicholas was born "sometime" around A.D. 280 in Patara, near Myra in modern-day Turkey. Hardly what Christians claim to be the modern Santa Claus. Today, no one knows him as the protector of sailors.

[Purdey]

10 minutes ago, jumbo said:

I would say exactly the opposite, with proof no reason to believe

Yes, I guess so. And there is no proof.

Still, believing in something without evidence to support it, whether gods, fairies or the teapot that circles the sun (viz. Bertrand Russell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot) is fanciful and slightly cracked.

Edited March 1, 2023 by Purdey

[jumbo]

I agree

[quake]

Be carful the gatekeepers will get upset. 

[Tippaporn]

16 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Yes, I guess so. And there is no proof.

Still, believing in something without evidence to support it, whether gods, fairies or the teapot that circles the sun (viz. Bertrand Russell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot) is fanciful and slightly cracked.

Correction:  There is no proof which is acceptable to you.  If you want to crown yourself sole arbitor of what is proof and what is not then you are out of your purview.  And your self appointed authority carries no  recognisable weight.

 

Now if you attempt to  defend your belief that proof must meet your standard of proof before it can be considered proof by citing the scientific method then you believe in a fallacy.  The scientific method can only be applied to the ojective universe.  It is utterly useless when dealing with subjective reality.  Your scientific gadgetry can never find the soul within the brain.

 

Or would you be so brash and foolish as to deny sujective reality any true validity?  Making such a claim would truly be what you call fanciful and more than slightly cracked.

[mauGR1]

42 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Or would you be so brash and foolish as to deny sujective reality any true validity?  

Apparently that's what "they" are trying to do, more or less subtly ????

 

[Tippaporn]

53 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Apparently that's what "they" are trying to do, more or less subtly ????

 

I'm not sure they'd be so dumb as to deny subjective reality.  It's not at all subtle, though.  I'd say kinda in yer face.