Do you believe in God and why

[thaibeachlovers]

On 6/6/2021 at 8:55 PM, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Loneliness isn't necessarily about having people around you but about being misunderstood.  Someone might feel that way if they felt they had made a finding in their life about something, e.g.  relating to the nature of god, but others were skeptical, indifferent or hostile.  A solution as you suggest may be to join a community of like minded folk e.g. spiritual types, new agers and hippies, religions etc. Depending if that theory matched your theory. 

Um, I disagree. I know what loneliness is and it isn't about being misunderstood.

 

Communities of like minded folk to myself are hard to find. I'd like to be a monk, except they have this thing about religion, and chanting at 4 am. However, if I ever find a community of people that likes a 1950s lifestyle ( no tv, no internet, no computers etc ) and like watching sunsets and rain, I'll be signing up.

Ever wonder why there are not many communes any more?

[mauGR1]

30 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Um, I disagree. I know what loneliness is and it isn't about being misunderstood.

 

Communities of like minded folk to myself are hard to find. I'd like to be a monk, except they have this thing about religion, and chanting at 4 am. However, if I ever find a community of people that likes a 1950s lifestyle ( no tv, no internet, no computers etc ) and like watching sunsets and rain, I'll be signing up.

Ever wonder why there are not many communes any more?

Actually misunderstandings seem to be the norm in recent times.

 one can find many reasons behind that, but you have just to look at this thread, which poses a simple question, to see how it is.

So there's the answer to your question, communes are a difficult job, as much as families; 

Add to that the aging doesn't help, I would choose a comfortable loneliness  over a difficult relationship every day, just my opinion of course. 

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Actually misunderstandings seem to be the norm in recent times.

 one can find many reasons behind that, but you have just to look at this thread, which poses a simple question, to see how it is.

So there's the answer to your question, communes are a difficult job, as much as families; 

Add to that the aging doesn't help, I would choose a comfortable loneliness  over a difficult relationship every day, just my opinion of course. 

To have a "comfortable" loneliness, one needs a few things, such as a decent place to live, enough money to live on, and the ability to do the things one wants to do.

 

My first relationship saw the loss of my own house and sadly rents are forcing many to live in carparks in this country.

My second relationship saw the loss of my nest egg, and old age has robbed me of physical ability.

 

Since my divorce I have had to ponder if living in a sour relationship was better than singlehood. I still haven't decided, but I do know that hate is an excellent way of forgetting about one's less important problems.

 

Ah well, I'll be finding out what is on the other side for myself, in not so many years.

[mauGR1]

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

To have a "comfortable" loneliness, one needs a few things, such as a decent place to live, enough money to live on, and the ability to do the things one wants to do.

Well, I've been not too lucky with relationships myself,  but at least i learned a few things about myself and others,  and I'm grateful for that.

It seems that the most important lessons are learned through pain, and the only way is through. 

Imho, a comfortable loneliness starts to be at peace with oneself, about the rest, one can adapt. 

There are plenty of people who have lots of money but cannot find inner peace, and have no idea how and where to find it.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, I've been not too lucky with relationships myself,  but at least i learned a few things about myself and others,  and I'm grateful for that.

It seems that the most important lessons are learned through pain, and the only way is through. 

Imho, a comfortable loneliness starts to be at peace with oneself, about the rest, one can adapt. 

There are plenty of people who have lots of money but cannot find inner peace, and have no idea how and where to find it.

As I only lived with another person for 10 years out of my entire adult life, I had to be comfortable living on my own. In a way being in a relationship spoiled it for me as I had a glimpse of what a good relationship would be like. I just never had one myself.

However, I know that had I not been in one, even a bad one, I'd have wanted a relationship and gone sour because I never had one. Now I know that myself and relationships are a non starter I'm happier being on my own.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

There are plenty of people who have lots of money but cannot find inner peace, and have no idea how and where to find it.

Inner peace and loneliness are two very different beasts.

One can be lonely even in a crowd, or even if one has lots of friends. There's a part of us all that needs championship. Inner peace is something that can be had even if completely alone, or in a relationship.

 

I'd settle for enough money to buy companionship.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Inner peace and loneliness are two very different beasts.

One can be lonely even in a crowd, or even if one has lots of friends. There's a part of us all that needs championship. Inner peace is something that can be had even if completely alone, or in a relationship.

 

I'd settle for enough money to buy companionship.

As Diana Doors, the famous philosopher, once said.........."I would rather be rich and miserable than poor and miserable"

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

As Diana Doors, the famous philosopher, once said.........."I would rather be rich and miserable than poor and miserable"

Never heard about her, perhaps she's not too famous ????

Is she blonde and American ?

[Surelynot]

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Never heard about her, perhaps she's not too famous ????

Is she blonde and American ?

Close....the UK version of Jayne Mansfield

Edited June 10, 2021 by Surelynot

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Never heard about her, perhaps she's not too famous ????

Is she blonde and American ?

Google Diana Dors. He put an extra o in. She was blond, but English, not American.

I think she was famous more for the size of her breasts, rather than her acting ability.

Edited June 10, 2021 by thaibeachlovers

[mauGR1]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

Google Diana Dors. He put an extra o in. She was blond, but English, not American.

Uhm, not sure i need to know more about her, so i guess you disagree with Jesus saying that it's more difficult for the rich to go to heaven/higher consciousness?

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Uhm, not sure i need to know more about her, so i guess you disagree with Jesus saying that it's more difficult for the rich to go to heaven/higher consciousness?

I don't know how you get from large breasted blondes to rich people, but regardless...................

 

IMO Jesus was talking about love of money more than just being rich. Greed is definitely an impediment to attaining enlightenment.

Money is not evil, but what people do to get it, or what they do with it can definitely be evil.

 

In any event I don't believe in hell or purgatory, so once dead we are all the same.

[Surelynot]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't know how you get from large breasted blondes to rich people, but regardless...................

 

IMO Jesus was talking about love of money more than just being rich. Greed is definitely an impediment to attaining enlightenment.

Money is not evil, but what people do to get it, or what they do with it can definitely be evil.

 

In any event I don't believe in hell or purgatory, so once dead we are all the same.

Hence the quote......... "The DESIRE for money is the root of all evil"......not money per se.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't know how you get from large breasted blondes to rich people, but regardless...................

 

IMO Jesus was talking about love of money more than just being rich. Greed is definitely an impediment to attaining enlightenment.

Money is not evil, but what people do to get it, or what they do with it can definitely be evil.

 

In any event I don't believe in hell or purgatory, so once dead we are all the same.

Sorry?

I'm trying to stay on topic, despite You suggesting to google something with large breasts ( thanks for that info)

Apparently you've never heard about reincarnation, but it's obviously not true that once dead we're all the same.

If not else, most people who died are still alive, one way or another,  in the memory of those who loved them.

[mauGR1]

7 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Hence the quote......... "The DESIRE for money is the root of all evil"......not money per se.

Apart from the fact that most who have some are wishing to have more ????

That's the typical materialistic damnation. 

[Surelynot]

Just now, mauGR1 said:

Apart from the fact that most who have some are wishing to have more ????

That's the typical materialistic damnation. 

Nobody wants money more than those who already have a disproportionate share......they are called Tories.

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Nobody wants money more than those who already have a disproportionate share......they are called Tories.

My point is that almost everyone wish they have some more, even me, although I'm certainly not a greedy person !

(You'll have to take my word on that ????)

[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Nobody wants money more than those who already have a disproportionate share......they are called Tories.

That's sailing very close to the political wind, which is why I don't respond more fully.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, mauGR1 said:

My point is that almost everyone wish they have some more, even me, although I'm certainly not a greedy person !

(You'll have to take my word on that ????)

I think the difference is what one wants to do with more. If one wants to use it for good purposes fine, but if one just wants a bigger bank balance not fine.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Sorry?

I'm trying to stay on topic, despite You suggesting to google something with large breasts ( thanks for that info)

Apparently you've never heard about reincarnation, but it's obviously not true that once dead we're all the same.

If not else, most people who died are still alive, one way or another,  in the memory of those who loved them.

I've heard of reincarnation, but I don't accept it in the commonly used version. IMO the life spirit on the other side isn't an individual, but is everything, though everything incorporates everything an individual on earth was, or will be.

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I think the difference is what one wants to do with more. If one wants to use it for good purposes fine, but if one just wants a bigger bank balance not fine.

That "good purpose " is very subjective,  don't you think ?

I know of a famous politician who, when caught splashing money on escorts,  said that he just wanted to help the poor girls... I guess that somehow he was telling the truth ????

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I've heard of reincarnation, but I don't accept it in the commonly used version. IMO the life spirit on the other side isn't an individual, but is everything, though everything incorporates everything an individual on earth was, or will be.

I don't know the "common version" of the reincarnation theory,  but personally i think it's a very interesting subject,  not to be overly simplified. 

[Trujillo]

Interesting that the topic here is: Do you believe in God and why

 

There is an assumption in that question (without a question mark). How about: Do you believe in God and why not?

 

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, Trujillo said:

Interesting that the topic here is: Do you believe in God and why

 

There is an assumption in that question (without a question mark). How about: Do you believe in God and why not?

 

Tbh, the 1st question makes more sense, even without question mark, but feel free to expand ????

[thaibeachlovers]

36 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I don't know the "common version" of the reincarnation theory,  but personally i think it's a very interesting subject,  not to be overly simplified. 

That WE come back as anything from a cockroach to a king. For a start, if I believed in reincarnation  I wouldn't believe that we'd come back as anything but another human.

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That WE come back as anything from a cockroach to a king. For a start, if I believed in reincarnation  I wouldn't believe that we'd come back as anything but another human.

And you are right imho.

In every present moment we are "building " our next body, soul and spirit. 

[jvs]

22 minutes ago, Trujillo said:

Interesting that the topic here is: Do you believe in God and why

 

There is an assumption in that question (without a question mark). How about: Do you believe in God and why not?

 

Yes also a good question but you need to define God first?

Many people here have a very different opinion of what/who God is.

To me it is very difficult to see God without seeing religion,just the way i was brought up i think.

I really  do not like religion,sometimes i do not believe in God and sometimes i could if

i look at things differently.

I have read and reread most of this topic and i see a lot of people have giving up commenting,some have just been ignored  and lost interest i guess.

 

 

[Sunmaster]

2 hours ago, jvs said:

Yes also a good question but you need to define God first?

Many people here have a very different opinion of what/who God is.

To me it is very difficult to see God without seeing religion,just the way i was brought up i think.

I really  do not like religion,sometimes i do not believe in God and sometimes i could if

i look at things differently.

 

I think there are as many definitions of God as there are people, and that's ok. How is it possible to define the undefinable anyway? We can only try to know the Divine by its manifestations and the way we perceive/experience them...and those are by definition subjective.

 

2 hours ago, jvs said:

I have read and reread most of this topic and i see a lot of people have giving up commenting,some have just been ignored  and lost interest i guess.

People come and go all the time. Some just come to fool around and when ignored they soon lose interest. Some others come to threaten us with eternal damnation and once they learn that nobody gives a damn (pun intended), they also leave...probably to pray for our souls. 
I've been here since the beginning of the thread and I can say I have enjoyed the discussion, mostly. ????

 

[StreetCowboy]

8 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Tbh, the 1st question makes more sense, even without question mark, but feel free to expand ????

I would have thought that the most obvious reason for believing in God was because He exists.  But that's a bit of a tautology.

 

Asking why is a bit like asking Pavlov's dogs why they feel hungry.  They probably don't even notice hearing the bell.

 

Atheists will argue until they are blue in the face that they are agnostics, and that they are open-minded, but to my mind, anyone that was open-minded vis a vis the existence of God, eternal damnation etc. would make the risk-based argument:
If there is no God, and no eternal damnation, then I can believe with no consequence
If there is God, and eternal damnation, that would far outweigh any possible cost of attending church, listening to preachers, abstaining from pork etc.   

[Bangkokazy]

If God exists. Is he the most perverted person who has ever lived