Professional help with 'finding a balance in lifestyle'?

[visacrack]

 

(I've seen the 'fat forum' but nothing much seems to be happening there)

Are there specialists/facilities known in the Pattaya region to really and effectively help expats consciously influence their calory balance? So I don't, as a remedy, want to be forced to eat thai cuisine 24/7/52. 
 

[Vacuum]

Thai cuisine is not especially healthy and certainly not low- calorie food.

[Lacessit]

It's reasonably healthy if one omits the sugar most Thais ladle on it to soften the spice. I get astonished looks when I use some spice, but omit the sugar.

[Moonlover]

You don't need a specialist to tell you what food to put in your mouth! Some comments here regarding Thai food are justified

 

Too much sugar and too much emphasis on white rice and noodle and sadly lacking in fibre.

 

Turn your attention to plenty of fruit and vegetables, whole grains and go light on red and processed meats.

 

And get some exercise.

 

Oh and strict limits on alcohol intake.

[visacrack]

13 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

You don't need a specialist to tell you what food to put in your mouth! Some comments here regarding Thai food are justified

 

Too much sugar and too much emphasis on white rice and noodle and sadly lacking in fibre.

 

Turn your attention to plenty of fruit and vegetables, whole grains and go light on red and processed meats.

 

And get some exercise.

 

Oh and strict limits on alcohol intake.

 

I know these rules and have largely complied for many years. And I thought I had my in and out calories under control, but growing older I find that sadly no. 

 

There must be a way to really measure the figures (referring to the calories, for those jokers who will refer me to the scales), and if it takes the proverbial experts? 
 
 

[trd]

You don't need a specialist to tell you what food to put in your mouth! Some comments here regarding Thai food are justified
 
Too much sugar and too much emphasis on white rice and noodle and sadly lacking in fibre.
 
Turn your attention to plenty of fruit and vegetables, whole grains and go light on red and processed meats.
 
And get some exercise.
 
Oh and strict limits on alcohol intake.

You should be eating lots of grass fed red meat like beef with a good intake of animal fat. Grains I would reluctantly call a food, it's okay for animals. I can show you epidemiological studies that show an increase in stomach cancer correlated with a decrease in the consumption of red meat. In the 1930s if you look at the nutritional advice given by the US government, meat eggs and milk we're right at the top of the list but then the big cereal companies like Kellogg's came along and started lobbying the government. Well surprise surprise, a few years later grains are at the top of the list. It's BS. Get educated about the fact that we evolved and thrived by eating lots of animal products and very little in the way of fruits and vegetables, which by the way contains a lot of anti-nutrients. How do you think plants protect themselves? And we didn't evolve to eat foods like lentils which contain lectins which can cause leaky gut syndrome. The enemy is sugar and processed carbohydrates which are the main constituents of the standard American diet which is just killing people. Why do you think vegans are constantly bloated and farting all the time? It's not natural. You can't go wrong with fatty meat which is the most nutrient-dense food you can eat. The key is to keep it natural. I would suggest 60% meat, but it mustn't all be lean, you have to eat lots of fat, 20% vegetables which are mostly beneficial as cleansers for the digestive system and maybe 20% fruit, but I myself keep it down to 10%. No sugar except the natural fructose in fruit. That will keep you healthy. I bet you didn't realize that streaky bacon and eggs was a health food did you? Keep away from processed fats like margarine, very unhealthy. Butter is good. This whole story about avoiding fat is bonkers. Our bodies are made of it and animal fat is a good fit. It supplies all the essential amino fatty acids that we need. Our vital organs are encased in huge slabs of fat for God's sake. And lastly don't read everything you read in the newspapers.

[Vacuum]

7 minutes ago, trd said:

This whole story about avoiding fat is bonkers.

No, it's not, if you want to lose weight.

[trd]

No, it's not, if you want to lose weight.

Fat doesn't make you fat. That's a myth. It sugar and carbs that makes you fat. In fact the quickest way to lose weight is to eat nothing else but fatty meat.

[baansgr]

If you are looking for proffessional help, there was a guy in Pattaya, Jason young that offered lifestyle changes. Jasonyoungcoaching.com

[Moonlover]

8 minutes ago, trd said:

11 minutes ago, Vacuum said:

No, it's not, if you want to lose weight.

Fat doesn't make you fat. That's a myth. It sugar and carbs that makes you fat. In fact the quickest way to lose weight is to eat nothing else but fatty meat.

You may well loose weight quickly, but you would also loose out on the many vitamins, minerals, fibre and carbs that are essential to a healthy mind and body.

 

Sorry, this is absurd advice.

 

A balanced diet, exercise. (mental and physical) rest and good sleep are the key factors for a healthy lifestyle.

[Sheryl]

Agree.

Processed carbs should be avoided but complex carbs are an important part of a healthy diet.

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[trd]

You may well loose weight quickly, but you would also loose out on the many vitamins, minerals, fibre and carbs that are essential to a healthy mind and body.
 
Sorry, this is absurd advice.
 
A balanced diet, exercise. (mental and physical) rest and good sleep are the key factors for a healthy lifestyle.

Yes of course exercise and a good nights sleep are essential also, but as far as food is concerned I can only urge you to do some research and by that I don't just mean reading the Daily Mail. I get all the vitamins and minerals my body needs. Carbs are not essential and don't constitute a real food group. Just do your research before you tell me that what I say is absurd. The main thing is to cut out chemicals and processed food.

[trd]

Agree.

Processed carbs should be avoided but complex carbs are an important part of a healthy diet.

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Yes complex carbs are better because of the way they produce glucose without insulin spikes.

[user343434]

Keep yourself completely away from:

Potatoes, Rice, Pasta and Bread that brought me in just 2 month from 130Kg to 108Kg.

 

And now what I was eating:

 

Pork belly and Pork legs

Chicken

Pork Chops

Lamb Chops (min 6-8)

Soups (not these Bullion type of, no I am talking Pea, Lentil, Bean soups with a farmer's sausage and Pork belly) 

 

And cook yourself, stay out of restaurants!

You do it a week and then you will start and think: Uuumm, not now, its too warm to cook, so you delay more and more until you reach breakfast and dinner (at 5 o'clock latest) skipping the lunch coz of the midday heat and self cooking.

(I forgot for breakfast: 3 fried eggs, tomato, bacon rashers (3-4) mushrooms and also a slice of bread (1/2 inch thick minimum.)

 

But stay cooking yourself a meal, do not eat outside (a salad is ok).. and only once a week 3-5 beers..

The belly that comes with the beers creates a massive panic but is next day gone again.

 

That was working wonder as the doctor denied my offshore health certificate.. 

I continued this "sinful" life and keep now at 98 Kg permanent.

 

There is nobody who can help but yourself..

Edited April 15, 2019 by See Will

[trd]

Thai food is not fattening...stop with this charade.
Sugar in curries?...never felt any in my tastebuds
The only fattening stuff is those deep-fried snacks and fried chicken/pork 
 
Where I come from, copious amounts of olive oil is applied onto anything....tons of bread (even with spaghetti[emoji33])....wine...etc etc
A billion calories per sitting...seriously.
 
Thai food is a joke (calorie-wise) but also taste-wise imo
 
Most fatties who complain are probably alcoholics...nothing to do w/food
 

I agree Thai food is not very healthy and they use very bad fat for cooking like soy and corn oil. Very unhealthy. Coconut oil would be better but I cook my steaks with a slab of butter in the air fryer yummy!

[trd]

Thai food is not fattening...stop with this charade.
Sugar in curries?...never felt any in my tastebuds
The only fattening stuff is those deep-fried snacks and fried chicken/pork 
 
Where I come from, copious amounts of olive oil is applied onto anything....tons of bread (even with spaghetti[emoji33])....wine...etc etc
A billion calories per sitting...seriously.
 
Thai food is a joke (calorie-wise) but also taste-wise imo
 
Most fatties who complain are probably alcoholics...nothing to do w/food
 

Yeah it's amazing how all that sugar is so beautifully disguised amidst all the spices. You wouldn't even know it's there.

[justin case]

thai food + western junk =  the obesity problem is taking off in Asia

[Nanaplaza666]

20 hours ago, Lacessit said:

It's reasonably healthy if one omits the sugar most Thais ladle on it to soften the spice. I get astonished looks when I use some spice, but omit the sugar.

And the fishoil and the frying oil almost everything is fried and contains loads of salt and sugar and rice is like bread and pasta not really callory free as well 

[NoshowJones]

19 hours ago, vinniekintana said:

Thai food is not fattening...stop with this charade.

Sugar in curries?...never felt any in my tastebuds

The only fattening stuff is those deep-fried snacks and fried chicken/pork 

 

Where I come from, copious amounts of olive oil is applied onto anything....tons of bread (even with spaghetti????)....wine...etc etc

A billion calories per sitting...seriously.

 

Thai food is a joke (calorie-wise) but also taste-wise imo

 

Most fatties who complain are probably alcoholics...nothing to do w/food

 

Heavy drinkers I agree, but all heavy drinkers are not alcoholics, since I came to Thailand, any drinkers who I know, or have known are all overweight, though there was one who was not overweight and was an alcoholic and heavy smoker, but that was really an exception.

[Snow Leopard]

20 hours ago, See Will said:

Keep yourself completely away from:

Potatoes, Rice, Pasta and Bread that brought me in just 2 month from 130Kg to 108Kg.

 

And now what I was eating:

 

Pork belly and Pork legs

Chicken

Pork Chops

Lamb Chops (min 6-8)

Soups (not these Bullion type of, no I am talking Pea, Lentil, Bean soups with a farmer's sausage and Pork belly) 

 

And cook yourself, stay out of restaurants!

You do it a week and then you will start and think: Uuumm, not now, its too warm to cook, so you delay more and more until you reach breakfast and dinner (at 5 o'clock latest) skipping the lunch coz of the midday heat and self cooking.

(I forgot for breakfast: 3 fried eggs, tomato, bacon rashers (3-4) mushrooms and also a slice of bread (1/2 inch thick minimum.)

 

But stay cooking yourself a meal, do not eat outside (a salad is ok).. and only once a week 3-5 beers..

The belly that comes with the beers creates a massive panic but is next day gone again.

 

That was working wonder as the doctor denied my offshore health certificate.. 

I continued this "sinful" life and keep now at 98 Kg permanent.

 

There is nobody who can help but yourself..

All that cooking and shopping you must have gotten some good exercise as well. ???? Only kidding. Well done. I am just about to embark on a similar quest. 

[ChrisKC]

22 hours ago, Moonlover said:

You don't need a specialist to tell you what food to put in your mouth! Some comments here regarding Thai food are justified

 

Too much sugar and too much emphasis on white rice and noodle and sadly lacking in fibre.

 

Turn your attention to plenty of fruit and vegetables, whole grains and go light on red and processed meats.

 

And get some exercise.

 

Oh and strict limits on alcohol intake.

On balance, this is pretty good advice. Though more vegetables than fruit seems to be scientifically valid. If you eat a plant only based diet you won't even have to count calories. Try it. Won't hurt you!

[brotherother]

Maybe try Weight Watchers?

 

Their plans are based on a points system where you're allocated a set amount of points (calories) to be used up each day, determined by factors such as your gender, lifestyle, age, etc. As long as you don't exceed your daily points allowance you'll lose weight, even more so should you consume less than the allocated points/calories and do increased exercise.

 

I'm assuming they don't have a presence in Thailand, however if you obtained their food/ingredient lists with the corresponding points it's easy enough to tailor your diet accordingly. Cooking meals yourself, ideally weighing the ingredients is a huge advantage, although it's always possible to guesstimate the points in a meal when eating out. It's a bit of a chore at first but you soon get used to it.

 

I know it worked for me.

[marin]

The real question is how much are you exercising? Without exercise you are going to put on weight as you age and your metabolism slows down.  It really is that simple....

[ncc1701d]

I used to use the following app. I found keeping a record and setting goals etc very helpful. Has a very large database and you can create your own meals / recipes and find out how much you are consuming. Free I believe. There is a school of thought out there that you shouldn’t actually calorie count... but I think you need to do what best suits you. (This is for iOS,  it I’m sure there’s one for Android). You can also add exercise if you do it. Very comprehensive.

 

Lose It! – Calorie Counter by FitNow

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/lose-it-calorie-counter/id297368629?mt=8

 

Edited April 16, 2019 by ncc1701d

[Jaggg88]

10 hours ago, justin case said:

thai food + western junk =  the obesity problem is taking off in Asia

I agree. When I first came to Thailand 18 years ago you rarely saw a fat kid but now they're everywhere

[Jaggg88]

The Truth about Carbs 

 

[trd]

On balance, this is pretty good advice. Though more vegetables than fruit seems to be scientifically valid. If you eat a plant only based diet you won't even have to count calories. Try it. Won't hurt you!

I don't care what you say but an exclusively plant-based diet is just unhealthy long term. But it can work as vegetarianism if you add dairy. There has never been a solely plant based society anywhere in the history of this earth Why, because it's a starvation diet and you won't get all the nutrients you need. I have a friend who fixes broken vegans, people who have come to the end of the road whose ideology has lost the argument to broken immune systems and serious diseases emerging, and what's particularly dangerous is that this diet has somehow become fashionable. Sure you can listen to the plant-based doctors who are being sponsored by the food companies but there are other nutritionists around who have a completely different view which is based on solid science. Human beings have been around and thrived for a long time but agriculture is only 10,000 years old, a mere blink of an eye on the time scale yet these muppet plant doctors want you to eat mostly grains and cereals and laughingly call them health foods! Look at them on YouTube. Take a good hard look. Do these people look healthy?

[ricklev]

13 minutes ago, trd said:

5 hours ago, ChrisKC said:

On balance, this is pretty good advice. Though more vegetables than fruit seems to be scientifically valid. If you eat a plant only based diet you won't even have to count calories. Try it. Won't hurt you!

I don't care what you say but an exclusively plant-based diet is just unhealthy long term. But it can work as vegetarianism if you add dairy. There has never been a solely plant based society anywhere in the history of this earth Why, because it's a starvation diet and you won't get all the nutrients you need. I have a friend who fixes broken vegans, people who have come to the end of the road whose ideology has lost the argument to broken immune systems and serious diseases emerging, and what's particularly dangerous is that this diet has somehow become fashionable. Sure you can listen to the plant-based doctors who are being sponsored by the food companies but there are other nutritionists around who have a completely different view which is based on solid science. Human beings have been around and thrived for a long time but agriculture is only 10,000 years old, a mere blink of an eye on the time scale yet these muppet plant doctors want you to eat mostly grains and cereals and laughingly call them health foods! Look at them on YouTube. Take a good hard look. Do these people look healthy?

https://www.businessinsider.sg/vegan-athletes-and-why-they-changed-their-diet-11/?r=US&IR=T

 

Edited April 16, 2019 by ricklev

[Moonlover]

On ‎4‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 2:38 PM, visacrack said:

On ‎4‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 2:23 PM, Moonlover said:

You don't need a specialist to tell you what food to put in your mouth! Some comments here regarding Thai food are justified

 

Too much sugar and too much emphasis on white rice and noodle and sadly lacking in fibre.

 

Turn your attention to plenty of fruit and vegetables, whole grains and go light on red and processed meats.

 

And get some exercise.

 

Oh and strict limits on alcohol intake.

On ‎4‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 2:38 PM, visacrack said:

 

I know these rules and have largely complied for many years. And I thought I had my in and out calories under control, but growing older I find that sadly no. 

 

There must be a way to really measure the figures (referring to the calories, for those jokers who will refer me to the scales), and if it takes the proverbial experts? 
 
 

Visacrack, I've never counted a calorie in my life. I've simply learned over the years, by study and experience what works for me.

 

I have a set of scales and monitor my weight regularly. If it starts to climb I simply reduce my intake and increase my exercise. My core exercise is walking. Simple as that. I do others as well but walking is the key one.

 

And like I said before, controlling alcohol intake is also important. I actually gained 4Kg during Songkran through exceeding my usual one bottle per day. It will soon be gone. I've lost 2Kg already.

 

When it comes down to it Visacrack, it's all a matter of self discipline. Have you got it?

 

 

[Moonlover]

14 hours ago, justin case said:

thai food + western junk =  the obesity problem is taking off in Asia

I used to use a local shop when I lived in Udon Thani, which I actually called 'The Fat Kid Shop'. 2 young boys who just grew fatter and fatter as the years went by.

 

In the last year I was there, they turned up at a street party at our neighbours and I got s chance to watch them eat.

 

Rice and coke! plate after plate of rice and bucket loads of coke! Very very sad.