Can you live as foreigner in Thailand without a current-living adress?

[AdamTH]

Hello, I think I need some help with the following subject:

 

We as foreigners were registered to an adress from a far Thai family member, who owns a house in Lobburi. So that my father and I can live in Thailand as foreigners.

 

Now that far family member doesn't want my father and I to be registered on their adress.

 

What are we suppose to do now? Can we still live in Thailand (without a living adress)?

 

All the help is greatly appreciated!

 

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[ubonjoe]

Immigration will accept any proof of residence you can present. If you are renting a residence your rental agreement with signed copies of the owners house book and iD card will be accepted.

[onera1961]

12 minutes ago, AdamTH said:

Hello, I think I need some help with the following subject:

 

We as foreigners were registered to an adress from a far Thai family member, who owns a house in Lobburi. So that my father and I can live in Thailand as foreigners.

 

Now that far family member doesn't want my father and I to be registered on their adress.

 

What are we suppose to do now? Can we still live in Thailand (without a living adress)?

 

All the help is greatly appreciated!

 

Millions of foreigners live in Thailand without being registered in anybody's house book or don't have far family members to register them in their house book. I wonder how do they live in Thailand. There is something called rent in every country of the World (ok may be not in North Korea). 

[elviajero]

17 minutes ago, AdamTH said:

What are we suppose to do now? Can we still live in Thailand (without a living adress)?

The only address immigration are interested in is the actual address you’re staying at at any given time.

 

 

[AdamTH]

The only address immigration are interested in is the actual address you’re staying at at any given time.
 
 

The current adress, where we're living, is not from my father. My father rented the house...

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[CharlieH]

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[MeePeeMai]

9 minutes ago, AdamTH said:

The current adress, where we're living, is not from my father. My father rented the house...

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Like ubonjoe said above -

 

If renting a house, you need to get a rental contract (on paper) from the landlord along with a signed copy of the house owner's ID card and a signed copy of his/her house book.

 

Then to the nearest Immigration Office and report your (you and your father's) new address to them.

[AdamTH]

 
Like ubonjoe said above -
 
If renting a house, you need to get a rental contract (on paper) from the landlord along with a signed copy of the house owner's ID card and a signed copy of his/her house book.
 
Then to the nearest Immigration Office and report your (you and your father's) new address to them.

I know! But will the landlord/house owner agree with "the" contract? Giving their ID, House Book, Personal Info...for foreigners..

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[jackdd]

5 minutes ago, AdamTH said:

I know! But will the landlord/house owner agree with "the" contract? Giving their ID, House Book, Personal Info...for foreigners..

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How should we know? Why don't you ask him if he will follow Thai law?

[MeePeeMai]

Well if he refuses then I would start hunting a new place to live and before I hand over 1 baht for a new place, I would ask the new landlord if he is going to follow immigration law and provide the things that you need to stay here legally.... and if not then I would keep looking.

 

Or you could ask your landlord to go to Immigration with you to report that you are living in his home.  In case he doesn't know the rule, tell him to bring his house book and ID card.  Offer him 500 or 1000 baht and I bet he'll change his mind.

[MeePeeMai]

Just ask your landlord to go to Immigration with you and your father to report that you are living in his home.  In case he doesn't know the rule, tell him to bring his house book and ID card.  Offer him 500 or 1000 baht and I bet he'll change his mind.

[AdamTH]

I just told you my opinion regarding your situation, but somehow you just start flaming [emoji6]
With your attitude it will be difficult to solve your problem.

You know I'm stressing. I'm 14 and my dad is 63. He is sick! We both foreigners have to survive...

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[AdamTH]

Just ask your landlord to go to Immigration with you and your father to report that you are living in his home.  In case he doesn't know the rule, tell him to bring his house book and ID card.  Offer him 500 or 1000 baht and I bet he'll change his mind.

Good idea! Money can almost solve everything...thx

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[MeePeeMai]

5 minutes ago, AdamTH said:

Good idea! Money can almost solve everything...thx

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Yes, when in Thailand, think like a Thai ($$$)

[onera1961]

48 minutes ago, AdamTH said:

I know! But will the landlord/house owner agree with "the" contract? Giving their ID, House Book, Personal Info...for foreigners..

No, if I am the land lord I won't give anything. Why should I? Why I need to give my house book, and other personal information to a stranger? Copy of ID is ok because when you rent, you must get a copy of the landlord's ID also so that you know the person who signed the lease as landlord. 

[MeePeeMai]

1 minute ago, onera1961 said:

No, if I am the land lord I won't give anything. Why should I? Why I need to give my house book, and other personal information to a stranger? Copy of ID is ok because when you rent, you must get a copy of the landlord's ID also so that you know the person who signed the lease as landlord. 

 

If the landlord is willing to go to Immigration with the renter (and bring his housebook and ID card) then there shouldn't be a problem.

 

My landlord doesn't live near me and works everyday so he is unavailable for Immigration runs... therefore, he just gave me a copy of everything Immigration asked for so that I could take care of it without his presence being required.

 

Not a problem really, a copy of an ID card and a copy of his housebook can be asked for by the renter (so that the renter knows that this person is indeed the owner and real landlord) same as the landlord can ask for a copy of the renter's (foreigner's) passport and and driving license (so he knows who is living in his house).  

 

This is the wise thing to do to avoid being scammed by someone posing as a house owner (who is not) and also protects the landlord from a renter skipping out and not paying or trashing the house and doing a runner.  ID for ID reduces the liability on both sides.

 

Common sense really eh!?

[MikeN]

54 minutes ago, AdamTH said:

I know! But will the landlord/house owner agree with "the" contract? Giving their ID, House Book, Personal Info...for foreigners..

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You (should) only need a copy of ID and housebook, not the originals. Until the introduction of "Smart IDs" recently Thais needed to give copies of their ID for just about every govt transaction, and still do for others so he should be used to it and i don't see why he would not give you a copy. Every landlord that has had dealings with foreigners should know about the registration process. If he does not want to rent to you then thats another matter .........

[AdamTH]

Yes, when in Thailand, think like a Thai ($$$)

I like you!

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[AdamTH]

No, if I am the land lord I won't give anything. Why should I? Why I need to give my house book, and other personal information to a stranger? Copy of ID is ok because when you rent, you must get a copy of the landlord's ID also so that you know the person who signed the lease as landlord. 

Yeah that's what I meant. But can money solve it?

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[DaRoadrunner]

Find a new place to rent where they will supply the documents?

[balo]

What is your nationality ? Are your mum a Thai ? Do you know any Thais that can assist you at immigration?  

[onera1961]

2 hours ago, MeePeeMai said:

If the landlord is willing to go to Immigration with the renter (and bring his housebook and ID card) then there shouldn't be a problem.

 

My landlord doesn't live near me and works everyday so he is unavailable for Immigration runs... therefore, he just gave me a copy of everything Immigration asked for so that I could take care of it without his presence being required.

 

Not a problem really, a copy of an ID card and a copy of his housebook can be asked for by the renter (so that the renter knows that this person is indeed the owner and real landlord) same as the landlord can ask for a copy of the renter's (foreigner's) passport and and driving license (so he knows who is living in his house).  

 

This is the wise thing to do to avoid being scammed by someone posing as a house owner (who is not) and also protects the landlord from a renter skipping out and not paying or trashing the house and doing a runner.  ID for ID reduces the liability on both sides.

 

Common sense really eh!?

I don't think landlords are obligated to give you their chanote, house book, their marriage status, their wife's residence or go with you to the immigration. He is obligated to give you only the copy of his Thai ID card when you sign the lease and report your stay in TM 30 to the immigration.  My agent does TM30 reporting when I tell her and send her a pic of my arrival stamp and TM6 card. The owner is not bothered at all.

[MeePeeMai]

2 minutes ago, onera1961 said:

I don't think landlords are obligated to give you their chanote, house book, their marriage status, their wife's residence or go with you to the immigration. He is obligated to give you only the copy of his Thai ID card when you sign the lease and report your stay in TM 30 to the immigration. 

Obligated? Marital status? Wife's residence??  Huh?  You need to learn how to read.

 

Good luck going to Immigration to do your TM28 (after you rent a house) without either the landlord in tow ... or a copy of the landlord's ID card and house book (showing that he indeed is rightful owner of the property). 

 

Some Immigration offices want a copy of the chanote (if they are being difficult or if you manage to piss them off).

 

Been there. Done that.  We were turned away to go get a copy of the tabian ban for the house we had rented (had a copy of the lease and a copy of his ID card the first time but this was insufficient).

 

 

[onera1961]

1 minute ago, MeePeeMai said:

Good luck going to Immigration to do your TM28 (after you rent a house) without either the landlord in tow ... or a copy of the landlord's ID card and house book (showing that he indeed is rightful owner of the property). 

I did not do my TM28 after I rented my condo. However, I went and did a 90-day report by myself. No problem. Yes I know IOs can create problems for you but house owner is not legally responsible to go with you to immigration or give his chanote and house book for renting his place to you. He is only obligated to do a TM30.

[MeePeeMai]

Where did I say the landlord is "legally obligated" to go to Immigration or give him anything?

 

If you had read the thread, you would see that I merely presented suggestions or options for the OP's current situation.

 

Nowhere did I say that the landlord was obligated to do anything.  I did suggest that if the OP had trouble with regard to the landlord and/or filing his TM28 (relocating his residence) that he could simply offer to hand the landlord a tip to assist him and his sick elderly father in satisfying the mandated Immigration requirement of filing your TM28 (when changing your address and renting a house from a non-family Thai person).

 

BTW, I would refuse to rent a house from anyone who is not willing to prove to me (via ID card AND tabian ban) that this person actually owns this house.  I have heard to many horror stories about people being ripped off in this country and others.  It happens via Craigslist rentals all the time in the US and I'm sure it happens here too.

 

If not willing then I would simply go elsewhere and look for a more trustworthy landlord.

[MeePeeMai]

By the way, if renting a house (as is the OP and his father), you cannot just simply show up at Immigration (at least here in Loei) to do your first TM30 or 90 Day report without providing a lease agreement, copy of the landlord's ID card and proof (tabian ban) that this person is the owner of the house that you are staying in.  I am speaking from 1st hand experience (not here-say).

 

Better to go in prepared than to be turned away and have to drive 3 hours round trip just to get something else they want to see.

[Isaanbiker]

We as foreigners were registered to an adress from a far Thai family member, who owns a house in Lobburi. So that my father and I can live in Thailand as foreigners.

 

      You do not have to be in anybody's house papers ( Tabien Baan). Just use the address where you guys are currently staying. 

 

       

[Muzarella]

If you rent a service-apartment or a long term hotel room, the manager will have to e-mail a report to immigration for you to set your address and stay legally.

If a property owner is interested in rent it to a foreigner he will have to give all the information and paperwork to the tenant to report its address to immigration.

In any case, to avoid fines, the tenant has to report its new address to immigration between 24 hours.

 

[Wake Up]

I know some guys that live in hotels and I lived in hotels for over a year. No problem. The address is where you are staying whether that is a house, condo, hotel room or in a friends place. If you do a 90 day report by mail just tell the hotel staff to expect a return envelope for you. 

[peterb17]

Do we gather that you don’t actually live at this address ? It’s just some arrangement?

 

like every where in the civilised world you need a legal permanent address- here it links into so many agencies.