11 hours ago, John Hanon said:

Yes, i had the income letter, as for the pas 12 years

Yes she just put it aside

No reason given and just a request for the bank letter, which of course did not show the required 40k (some family problems in Europe)

It was the 12 or 13th application, so I would say i have a certain experience (lol).

Thank you for your suggested approach


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This is very good information which can help many - thank you for sharing.  So, it would seem, the "made up rules" at Jomtien immigration (this week), are to have the embassy-letter (if your country provides them), but also show 40K/mo deposited monthly for the past 3 months.

 

As I found out 1st hand, they push very, very hard to get you to use an agent, so they can split a 25K Baht "bonus" you pay for that service.  I wish you the best of luck getting you one-year extension out of them, after complying with their latest scheme to deny service to honest, in-person applicants. 

 

You may want to also bring a letter from your income-source, showing it is "govt pension" income, as some offices use this unpublished-requirement to block marriage-based extensions (even retirement, at one office).

Proof income is still allowed using a proof of income from your embassy.
It is written in the new rules that also allows transferring the funds into a Thai bank if you cannot get the income letter.
You certainly have grounds to complain by calling 1178.
You can download the rules in English and Thai here at 16 and 17,
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To ubonjoe, when i click on the link in item 16/17 i get the message that the attachment is no longer available. Could you please arrange for a link to the document? Thank you


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5 minutes ago, John Hanon said:

To ubonjoe, when i click on the link in item 16/17 i get the message that the attachment is no longer available. Could you please arrange for a link to the document?

I see no problem with the download links.

Try this for 16. https://forum.thaivisa.com/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=561475

For 17. https://forum.thaivisa.com/applications/core/interface/file/attachment.php?id=561476

When i click on the new links i get “you have no permission to view that attachment ”

 

 

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On the original link the full message received is

“This attachment is not available. It may have been removed or the person who shared it may not have permission to share it to this location.
Error code: 2C171/1”


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4 minutes ago, John Hanon said:

When i click on the new links i get “you have no permission to view that attachment ”

That may be a problem due trying on the TV app on your IPad.

I suggest you try opening the forum  using your mobile browser to download them.

That may be a problem due trying on the TV app on your IPad.
I suggest you try opening the forum  using your mobile browser to download them.

Will try now


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Will try now


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The app was the culprit, in the browser it is ok. Thank you for you responsiveness


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@ubonjoe... do you think it would be proper to re-apply for the extension here in Pattaya, attaching a copy of the Immigration Chief letter about the acceptance of the embassy letter?


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49 minutes ago, John Hanon said:

@ubonjoe... do you think it would be proper to re-apply for the extension here in Pattaya, attaching a copy of the Immigration Chief letter about the acceptance of the embassy letter?
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Best to have it ready rather than attaching it to your application.

 

Trying to call 1178... nobody picks up?


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Trying to call 1178... nobody picks up?


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Maybe 5555 will work. Lets be honest, are we surprised?

On 4/27/2019 at 4:40 PM, Peterw42 said:

OP, you may have trouble finding a lawyer that does immigration law, nobody uses a lawyer to address immigration issues, argue a case with immigration etc. Some lawyers will offer the same service as visa agents etc but wont be experts in immigration law.

Each immigration office is often a law unto itself having there own interpretation and practice of the immigration act, law etc.

 

There are several guys on this forum who probably know more than lawyers, especially the practicial application and enforcement, they speak English and they are free.

Wrong.There are experienced Thai lawyers in established Bangkok law firms that do just that, ie specialise in immigration matters.They are mainly used by multinational firms and relatively high net worth individuals - with a price tag that this implies (although not out of line with charge rates common in first class firms).

 

 

 

 

Maybe 5555 will work. Lets be honest, are we surprised?

Absolutely not 555


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4 minutes ago, jayboy said:

Wrong.There are experienced Thai lawyers in established Bangkok law firms that do just that, ie specialise in immigration matters.They are mainly used by multinational firms and relatively high net worth individuals - with a price tag that this implies (although not out of line with charge rates common in first class firms).

 

 

 

 

They may know the immigration act backwards and be very expensive but they are just doing the same thing an agent is doing. Either doing an application on a clients behalf, or paying for "relaxation " of the rules.

You could take 5 lawyers and the immigration act with you to an immigration office, it wont make one thread of difference, their local interpretation and rules is it, no matter what paragraph 5 section 3 says.

17 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

They may know the immigration act backwards and be very expensive but they are just doing the same thing an agent is doing. Either doing an application on a clients behalf, or paying for "relaxation " of the rules.

You could take 5 lawyers and the immigration act with you to an immigration office, it wont make one thread of difference, their local interpretation and rules is it, no matter what paragraph 5 section 3 says.

Wrong.They are completely different from the agents you speak of who service the flotsam and jetsam of Pattaya etc.They only tend to get personally involved in the more complicated cases for example when an MNC needs to bring in a sizeable expatriate team.For the running about there are junior people who take care of the routine matters that concern run of the mill expats.If they do get involved personally it helps they tend to be acceptable in the class conscious society that is Thailand.Most expatriates can't see that the "lawyers" and "agents" they put their faith in are often pretty spivvy by Thai standards.

Today the charming people at Soi 5 have accepted my application for visa renewal. Same documentation as originally used, except for a copy of my Belgian bank account showing my pension as declared in the embassy letter. Thank you all and specially ubonjoe for the clear advices given here.


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