Swearing by the EU: UK's anti-Brexit Lib Dems opt for earthy election slogan

[Basil B]

1 hour ago, oilinki said:

3 hours ago, Basil B said:

Nor are we allowed to say <deleted> (Ballokes)

This makes me giggle. Perhaps we should say Bulldogs instead ????

Probably "Brexit" will become another swear word soon.

 

"Ballcocks to <deleted>" ????

[OneEyedPie]

1 hour ago, superal said:

Back to the topic  .   Whoever made a decision to display the Bxxxxxxs  word on their campaign pamphlets , tee shirts and bus needs to be spoken to by the police as it is an act of indecency for all children to see and certainly a word for after the 9 pm o'clock watershed  .  Do the Lib-Dems really think that they will win voters over with this gutter language . If I had been with them before they would not have my vote now . I am very unimpressed .

The Lib Dems trying a little too hard and reading far too much into their local election gains. 

 

Vince and the rest of the spivs are convinced the gains were on the back of their remain credentials.  Baffling but not entirely unexpected.  

[CG1 Blue]

On 5/10/2019 at 12:10 PM, gamini said:

To say there wasn't a strong element of anti-emigrant racist voters amongst the leavers shows ignorance of the actual voting.  But to claim that they were all totally aware of the brexit issues is ridiculous. I certainly wasn't. And I'm sure most of had no idea of the actual implications.

Now that I do, I agree with cable and would vote for him. 

How can you know the implications of leaving if we haven't actually left yet? 

[OneEyedPie]

2 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

How can you know the implications of leaving if we haven't actually left yet? 

It can't be any worse than three years of living in limbo.  At least the last three years have opened the eyes of the electorate to understand what the Tories and Labour think of us and now we're in a position to let them know what we think of them.

 

Drain the swamp my fellow compatriots.  

[CG1 Blue]

23 hours ago, oilinki said:

It's actually rather sad that some of the people wish to see the western unity and wellbeing to be destroyed, rather than they could be part of us. 

 

Why is that? Why can't the highly aggressive folks, who claim to be 'patriotic' or 'nationalistic', join to peace with others?

 

I can understand the need of renewal, which is always needed, when looking from inside. That's no problem at all as most of us agree that EU is still young and needs to renew itself constantly. 

 

 

When you say "renew itself constantly", do you mean the way the EU continues towards becoming a 'superstate', with total fiscal union, a real President, an army etc.? That might be quite an exciting prospect for citizens of a country such as Finland (I know we've discussed this before, with the EU giving you protection from Russia etc.), but the majority of Brits are happy to remain British. 

[CG1 Blue]

21 hours ago, oilinki said:

It's been like, at least, 16 minutes, since someone said the slogan of 16 million Brexit voters. Well done! You are entitled of the 16 minutes award!

 

One day you'll understand how manipulation works. Today you got an example of it. 

I don't think remainers can complain about slogans and soundbites. Not a day goes by when I don't hear a remainer talk about unicorns, the bus, the easiest deal in history etc. etc. 

[tomacht8]

2 hours ago, superal said:

The EU will struggle to balance the books if and when the UK leave and a loss in excess of 2000 billion Euros a year . It will break the back of struggling Germany who just managed to avoid a recession this year . The EU would do well to revert to the EEC which seemed to work but instead is growing into a  control center of Europe  which is overseen by an non-elected body of egoistic  bureaucrats . 

 

Back to the topic  .   Whoever made a decision to display the Bxxxxxxs  word on their campaign pamphlets , tee shirts and bus needs to be spoken to by the police as it is an act of indecency for all children to see and certainly a word for after the 9 pm o'clock watershed  .  Do the Lib-Dems really think that they will win voters over with this gutter language . If I had been with them before they would not have my vote now . I am very unimpressed .

2000 Billion Euros a Year?

Where you get this number from?

Obviously, numbers are not your strength.

Hopefully, your statements are not based on your numbers weakness.

[CG1 Blue]

29 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Reminders have logic and reasoning on their side. Reminders don't need stupid slogans on their side. 

 

Brexiters however do need stupid and simplified slogans as their reasoning is and have always been false. How else one could get the uneducated people on their side? 

 

Stupid slogans are always complaints. Stupid slogans never offer real answers. Stupid slogans are really easy to remember and to repeat - by the people who really have no idea what is going on.

 

Stupid slogans are necessity for the populist movements. On both right and left. 

 

Stupid populist slogans are to manipulate stupid people. Educate your people of their own choices. That way the stupid slogans no longer have any effect. 

You mean stupid slogans like this one about unicorns and rainbows?  

 

37 minutes ago, oilinki said:

It's the magical word of sciences, not the magical world rainbow unicorns, which can give pretty accurate predictions of the future. 

 

That's twice in one page you've used the unicorn slogan. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. 

[CG1 Blue]

23 minutes ago, oilinki said:

I do agree the bankers and the 1% have way too much money and they have not shared it with the common people. I agree with all of that. 

 

EU however is really against those 1% or 1 promille people. EU is far more socialist than UK can ever be. We do believe that sharing our wealth is actually good for all of us.

Do you actually believe this, that the EU is not for the billionaire elites and global corporations including the banks? 

Are you aware that the global corporations have lobbying offices surrounding the EU Parliament, used to influence EU policy in favour of their big businesses? 

The EU is anything but a socialist movement.  If it was why do you think people like Tony Benn (RIP) and Jeremy Corbyn had always been so anti-EU? 

Perhaps Finland gets a lot of EU propaganda. 

[OneEyedPie]

22 hours ago, oilinki said:

The way you write English makes me laugh. And I'm not even a native English speaker. 

 

Go figure? 

 

7 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Do you actually believe this, that the EU is not for the billionaire elites and global corporations including the banks? 

I admire your resilience in engaging this poster, CG1 Blue.  I made my first three posts last night without any personal attacks on any of the posters whatsoever and then the aforementioned unsolicited personal attack came through loud and clear.  This demonstrates to me a clear lack of education and ability to debate in a sensible and rational way.  

 

I immediately put the guy on ignore as knew it wouldn't stop there.  

 

You're far more tolerant than me, that's for sure.

[tebee]

10 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Do you actually believe this, that the EU is not for the billionaire elites and global corporations including the banks? 

Are you aware that the global corporations have lobbying offices surrounding the EU Parliament, used to influence EU policy in favour of their big businesses? 

The EU is anything but a socialist movement.  If it was why do you think people like Tony Benn (RIP) and Jeremy Corbyn had always been so anti-EU? 

Perhaps Finland gets a lot of EU propaganda. 

On the other hand I see most EU countries have far better social welfare provisions than the UK -for instance the state pension in France is about twice the UK leven and you can claim it at 63 !

 

Do you really believe there are no such lobbyists in the UK? How well will a much smaller UK government be able to resist the might of global corporations ?     

[nontabury]

5 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

Nobody ignored the referendum result.

That's why the UK is in this mess now.

After 3 years, it is legitimate to take a critical inventory of what has been achieved so far. It is obvious that the many Brexit promises, which were postulated 3 years ago, have not been reached or can not be achieved.

The UK government / parliament / politicians have been trying for 3 years to realize Brexit. They failed. Within three years, the Brexit process has revealed so many problems, details, complications and new information about no one thought of three years ago. 

A business executive would call Brexit as a flop from today's perspective.

A good country leadership would try to find new ways in this messed-up situation. At the moment, everyone in the UK is dissatisfied. 

 

However, competitors around the world, such as the USA, Russia and China, are delighted about the division of Europe, the social discontent and the gigantic money destruction that Brexit has delivered so far. The political flop product: Brexit should be taken off the market.

The UK should try to develop a new, better political product.

 

 

The political class have tried unsuccessfully to ignor the people’s Democratic vote of 2016, in the hope that the electorate would either change their minds, after the barrage of biased propaganda from the remain side, or they would relent through time.

 However the electorate have seen through this, and have become even more resolute and determined to free the country from the shackles of this so called union.

 

 

Edited May 11, 2019 by nontabury

[OneEyedPie]

4 minutes ago, nontabury said:

The political class have tried unsuccessfully to ignor the people’s Democratic vote of 2016, in the hope that the electorate would either change their minds, after the barrage of biased propaganda from the remain side, or they would relent through time.

Or plain forget.  Just shows how out of touch they are.

 

A right royal kicking is coming and the reverberations will be felt for many years to come.

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

On the other hand I see most EU countries have far better social welfare provisions than the UK -for instance the state pension in France is about twice the UK leven and you can claim it at 63 !

 

Do you really believe there are no such lobbyists in the UK? How well will a much smaller UK government be able to resist the might of global corporations ?     

Fair point. But I think the UK government will be able to resist the might of global corporations as much as they do now, i.e. they won't necessarily become more susceptible after we leave the EU. 

Either way, I was trying to explain to our Finnish friend that the EU is not the socialist project he thinks it is. 

[OneEyedPie]

12 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Either way, I was trying to explain to our Finnish friend that the EU is not the socialist project he thinks it is. 

Don't expend too much energy.  Save it for Brexit that's going to be like a tornado soon enough.  The winds are picking up, for sure.

[evadgib]

How many "owzatts" can you cram into a single page and get away with & what happens if others join in?

Edited May 11, 2019 by evadgib

[evadgib]

7 minutes ago, oilinki said:

My question reminds. Are you for the people of the UK or are you for something else?

I need a pint of whatever you're on. If you're on a rig in that state you're in no position to dish out sermons towards anyone else.

Edited May 11, 2019 by evadgib

[CG1 Blue]

46 minutes ago, oilinki said:

58 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Fair point. But I think the UK government will be able to resist the might of global corporations as much as they do now, i.e. they won't necessarily become more susceptible after we leave the EU. 

Either way, I was trying to explain to our Finnish friend that the EU is not the socialist project he thinks it is. 

You are not worth it.

 

Do you really think that the rest of us should keep on our eyes whatever you folks might do in the furure. Let me say this rather bluntly, you are not worth it.

 

You are not worth it. 

How does your response relate to my comment? Perhaps you really did believe the EU was a socialist project, and you're a bit disorientated now. 

And in answer to your question - no. We don't want you keeping your eyes on us thank you. That's partly why we're leaving. 

[bomber]

On 5/10/2019 at 1:15 PM, nontabury said:

 

I’ve Highlighted, what I beleive is your answer “I really do not want you to suffer as you are expected to suffer”.

 

I’m sorry, but I do not consider that an informative or constructive answer.

 

These are some of the reasons, why the British people voted in the largest Democratic vote in our nations history, to leave Your E.u.

And we will leave,it’s just a matter of time.

 

a matter of time ???????????????? 

[bomber]

2 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

 

The political class have tried unsuccessfully to ignor the people’s Democratic vote of 2016, in the hope that the electorate would either change their minds, after the barrage of biased propaganda from the remain side, or they would relent through time.

 However the electorate have seen through this, and have become even more resolute and determined to free the country from the shackles of this so called union.

 

 

the shackles,try telling nissan,toyota.BWM and airbus we are shackled,if we are shackled at a present then wait and she what WTO would bring,they will unshackle themselves from the UK and soon shackle up to slovakia 

[OneEyedPie]

the shackles,try telling nissan,toyota.BWM and airbus we are shackled,if we are shackled at a present then wait and she what WTO would bring,they will unshackle themselves from the UK and soon shackle up to slovakia 

Yeah, I’ll be most comfortable on an Airbus built in Slovakia. Not. And neither will Airbus.

[bomber]

2 minutes ago, oilinki said:

I think the power of UK diminishes. UK used to have great power, which no longer is.

 

Why would a hour of Thai worker be less valued than a worker of English worker when they do the same job. Why would the Thai Baht be less valued than Sterling?

 

 

 

its power diminished after WW2,although you wouldnt think it reading some of the posts on here,sterling is piss poor as the markets value it to the country's future outlook,which wasnt great even before brexit,but it will get better when brexit is scrapped,billions of pounds down the drain for not even a sketch of a plan.

[bomber]

28 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

Please stop making these comments about myself. Especially after I’ve  Already told you,that you are wrong, as well as you being a stalker.

Far better for you to depart to your grannygirlfriend in Portugal.

 

 

 

 

 

???????????????? she is 5 years my junior and young enough to be your daughter ????????  

Edited May 11, 2019 by bomber

[bomber]

26 minutes ago, oilinki said:

I know that once Brexit happens, Tesco and such entities become poisonous to us Europeans. 

Why an erarth, should we give our moneys to the Brits?

 

While everybody understand that there is good folks in the UK, we also understand that the most of british people are in fact against of us. We do see all that.

 

brexit isnt happening,the 3 year sketched plan is to end it has been hard going but we will get there with the will of the people and lets not forget the sovereign govt

[bomber]

10 minutes ago, oilinki said:

So you, as a stalker, don't want others to do the same.

 

i wouldnt stalk nontabury,Yorkshire is at least an hours drive away from me and there are that many asians living there it feels like ive landed india or pakistan,.it gets dark at 16.00,i also feel sorry for the EU immirants

[bomber]

2 minutes ago, oilinki said:

No.

 

 

adjusted

[Scott]

Off-topic, bickering, baiting posts and replies removed.   Continue and face a suspension.  

 

[3NUMBAS]

hes a senile old git lumbered with a lost cause party whos leaders come and go every year ..so any bandwagon will do to keep his office at westminster which he should have vacated long ago as he was out of power for ages

[tomacht8]

7 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

 

The political class have tried unsuccessfully to ignor the people’s Democratic vote of 2016, in the hope that the electorate would either change their minds, after the barrage of biased propaganda from the remain side, or they would relent through time.

 However the electorate have seen through this, and have become even more resolute and determined to free the country from the shackles of this so called union.

 

 

I do not think that the UK government / parliament / politicians deliberately want to sabotage the Brexit process. 

Since three years, the government is trying to deliver the Brexit. The whole thing has been going on for 3 years on a democratic basis. If Brexit really were the easy-to-pick, low-hanging fruit, with infinite benefits for the UK, then the topic would be through. But the majority in parliament sees, for example, no advantages for the UK in a hard Brexit - which really, technically would be the easiest way.

That the normal electorate have here really the knowledge to view throug all the details, problems, laws and interdependencies? I have my doubt.

 

Even the highly paid politicians who are paid to deal exclusively with this task, are totally overwhelmed. The propagandists, however, offer here simple slogans which the electorate wants to hear. But Brexit is not the easy walk in the Park. That should have become clear to everyone after 3 years.

[poppysdad]

Brussels says jump and the liberals say “How High”