Democracy camp ready to give up PM post to block pro-junta camp

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

As opposed to some schmuck going to be offered a nice watch, house, business jet and car to vote PTP for the 'good of democracy 555!". And then watch as the puppet masters instigates vast scams and plans yet another self whitewash fiasco,

 

The independent parties need to remain independent, challenge whoever forms a government and act as parliamentary checks and balances. Not sell out to either side.

Correct, the independent parties should step back and stay out of the sh1t fight, let the two dodgy parties fight it out between themselves and then keep the bastards honest - as promoted by the Australian Democrats lead by Don Chip back in 1977 / 80's who frequently held the balance of power in the senate.

Problem with Thailand of  course is, who are the honest ones? 

Edited May 13, 2019 by Artisi

[Artisi]

5 hours ago, Kasset Tak said:

I see something wrong in this report... Thaksin is the de facto leader!

no, no - he IS the leader, anyone else is the de facto leader.    

[BobBKK]

Not ideal but better than now. Go for it if you have the balls Anuntin.

[chainarong]

You might stop the Generals, but look who runs the departments.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Because democracy requires much more than a few feudal elite hiso families holding elections and vying for control of the trough.

 

Difficult for Easterners who've never experienced real democracy to appreciate that.

As compare to some Westerners who turn their back on real democracy listening to their Thai wives.  

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

As compare to some Westerners who turn their back on real democracy listening to their Thai wives.  

 

Most Westerners here aren't eligible to vote, and are barred from participating in most political activities. So "turn their back" how? And where's that "real democracy" of yours taking place, exactly? The above reads like nothing more than a lame attempt to discredit anyone disagreeing with your views.

 

[JemJem]

I think that all of us know that Thaksin will be pulling the strings if the anti-junta camp comes to power and whoever becomes the PM. Will Thailand be heading for a positive direction should that happen ? Highly unlikely.

 

 

 

[steven100]

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

As compare to some Westerners who turn their back on real democracy listening to their Thai wives.  

oh Eric, you do sprout nonsense at times. Thailand doesn't need your western ways, it doesn't need your so called western democracy that is total BS anyway.  Thailand is fine the way it is and it will always be fine this way.

[steven100]

Khun Prayut Chan O Cha is the PM of Thailand and will most likely reside at the helm again.

So for those who don't like the way the country is governed, there is an answer .... and I guess you know what it is ... lol 

 

 

Edited May 13, 2019 by Scott

[pornprong]

4 hours ago, steven100 said:

Khun Prayut Chan O Cha is the PM of Thailand and will most likely reside at the helm again.

So for those who don't like the way the country is governed, there is an answer .... and I guess you know what it is ... lol 

 

 

It would appear, despite having unlimited power to rig the election, Khun Prayuth Chan O Cha has rather quickly drifted from being a "certainty" to continue as PM to being only "most likely" to continue to PM and will soon find himself well on the way to needing a real estate agent in Dubai to secure lodgings for his upcoming exile.

Edited May 13, 2019 by Scott

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

Most Westerners here aren't eligible to vote, and are barred from participating in most political activities. So "turn their back" how? And where's that "real democracy" of yours taking place, exactly? The above reads like nothing more than a lame attempt to discredit anyone disagreeing with your views.

 

Firstly, real democracy is participatory democracy which most western countries subscribed. But there are those like you and Steven who prefer authoritarian military junta government and their methods to rig participatory democracy to allow the them to continue to dominate. You really don’t have to vote but just speak kindly to junta corruption and continue to malaise real democracy. 

[pornprong]

29 minutes ago, JemJem said:

I think that all of us know that Thaksin will be pulling the strings if the anti-junta camp comes to power and whoever becomes the PM. Will Thailand be heading for a positive direction should that happen ? Highly unlikely.

Yes it will.

For starters, it would mean Thailand is a democracy so should Thaksin not perform, next election he'll be out.

Secondly, Thailand's direction during Thaksin's era as PM was pretty impressive - thus his enduring popularity.

 

The fact is that Thailand is currently heading in the worst of all possible directions - any change is a win for all but the fascist amongst us.

[steven100]

democracy ......  how's the UK doing for democracy ??   Australia is almost in a recession .....  democracy worked well there for the past 6 years ... lol  ....  not.

 

give me a break    .....   !!

[pornprong]

3 minutes ago, steven100 said:

democracy ......  how's the UK doing for democracy ??   Australia is almost in a recession .....  democracy worked well there for the past 6 years ... lol  ....  not.

 

give me a break    .....   !!

Geez you talk some nonsense.

 

Australia holds world record for longest period of growth among developed economies. 

 

Australians have not suffered the ignominy of recession for more than two decades; not since Paul Keating's infamous “recession we had to have” in the early 1990s.

 

As for democracy in Australia, there's an election this Saturday, the result will be known that evening and the result will reflect the will of the people - what more could be asked for?

[steven100]

39 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Geez you talk some nonsense.

 

Australia holds world record for longest period of growth among developed economies. 

 

Australians have not suffered the ignominy of recession for more than two decades; not since Paul Keating's infamous “recession we had to have” in the early 1990s.

 

As for democracy in Australia, there's an election this Saturday, the result will be known that evening and the result will reflect the will of the people - what more could be asked for?

Not nonsense ... facts  :

How many PM's has australia had in the past 6 years ... 5 or 6 isn't it ??? that's great democracy ... lol.    how is unemployment going ?? rising fast I believe.  How is household debt doing  ??  I think it's around one of the highest in the world ??   how is the cost of electricity ???  how is the cost of living ??  most families go without meat or luxury foods. 

Please don't try to tell me Australia's doing well .... it's doing crap  !!  most people cannot afford a new car ... forget about the young owning a house with prices out of reach of the average youth.

And jobs .... lol ..... most aussies have to have 2-3 jobs just to get 20 hours per week.

 

Why do you think the RBA is seriously considering lowering interest rates at it's next tuesday monthly meeting ..... because the economy is in worse shape than they ( the government ) are letting on.

I said 2 years ago that interest rates would go down not up before anything will happen. The economy may have seen 10 good years ... but it's gone to crap now and it has stagnated ...

 

so good luck with your election ..... just another PM who will promise everything but deliver nothing.  lol 

Edited May 13, 2019 by steven100

[bannork]

4 hours ago, steven100 said:

Khun Prayut Chan O Cha is the PM of Thailand and will most likely reside at the helm again.

So for those who don't like the way the country is governed, there is an answer .... and I guess you know what it is ... lol 

 

 

Steven, you have possibly just committed lese majeste with your above post. Hopefully your masters will be lenient and only give you 5 years. Prayuth cannot reign. He can take the reins of power again, he can be at the helm again,..... but to reign?

Edited May 13, 2019 by Scott

[steven100]

8 minutes ago, bannork said:

Steven, you have possibly just committed lese majeste with your above post. Hopefully your masters will be lenient and only give you 5 years. Prayuth cannot reign. He can take the reins of power again, he can be at the helm again,..... but to reign?

lol ..... right ..,   but also can mean :  hold sway, rule, govern, ....  according to the dictionary.

[rkidlad]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

democracy ......  how's the UK doing for democracy ??   Australia is almost in a recession .....  democracy worked well there for the past 6 years ... lol  ....  not.

 

give me a break    .....   !!

Yes, clearly what’s best for the Thai people is to be controlled by a small group of men who are accountable to no one. If the Thai people are good and play nice, hopefully they won’t just disappear or find themselves at the bottom of the Mekong with cement in their stomachs. 

Edited May 13, 2019 by rkidlad

[billd766]

1 hour ago, steven100 said:

oh Eric, you do sprout nonsense at times. Thailand doesn't need your western ways, it doesn't need your so called western democracy that is total BS anyway.  Thailand is fine the way it is and it will always be fine this way.

Eric spouts nonsense?

 

He is a little like you except he talks common sense and is definitely not a junta lover.  

 

How do reach the conclusion that "Thailand doesn't need your western ways, it doesn't need your so called western democracy that is total BS anyway."

 

Since 1932 Thailand has NEVER achieved ant level of democracy without a military coup.

 

Sadly Thailand is NOT fine the way it is which is why the government spent so much time and money changing the electoral boundaries, re-writing the constitution, changing the EC rules so that they were bound to win, persecuting and prosecuting parties who declared that they wanted to muzzle the military and force them back to the barracks. Even then they almost lost the plot and had the EC bring in 2 sets of rules for party list MPs.

[elliss]

13 hours ago, Morch said:

Junta aside, it's still funny how some of these parties are now labeled the "Democracy camp".

 

 Democracy camp/ Army camp, same same .  Nothing changes..

[bergan]

1 minute ago, elliss said:

 

 Democracy camp/ Army camp, same same .  Nothing changes..

Perhaps because the democratic process is constantly interrupted, thus can not evolve?

[sjaak327]

5 hours ago, steven100 said:

Khun Prayut Chan O Cha is the PM of Thailand and will most likely reside at the helm again.

So for those who don't like the way the country is governed, there is an answer .... and I guess you know what it is ... lol 

 

 

You know what they say about dictators, they cannot possibly be removed by democratic means, as is witnessed by massive cheating by Prayuth and his so called elections. And even AFTER massive cheating, he still didn't manage to win the elections, it seems the Thai electorate does not agree with your views, but hey they don't matter right ? 

 

You should be ashamed of yourself. 

[Eric Loh]

12 hours ago, steven100 said:

democracy ......  how's the UK doing for democracy ??   Australia is almost in a recession .....  democracy worked well there for the past 6 years ... lol  ....  not.

 

give me a break    .....   !!

Is this a serious post or you just trolling. Thailand in the last 20 years when there were democratically elected governments have grown better than the years under coup and post coup governments. If economic is your measurement for democracy, then you should be a big fan of Thaksin. 

[Morch]

21 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Firstly, real democracy is participatory democracy which most western countries subscribed. But there are those like you and Steven who prefer authoritarian military junta government and their methods to rig participatory democracy to allow the them to continue to dominate. You really don’t have to vote but just speak kindly to junta corruption and continue to malaise real democracy. 

 

Could you point out to a single post of mine adulating the junta? Or speaking "kindly to junta corruption"? Here's a clue, you won't find one. Seems like you have trouble with anything that is not a black and white, us and them take on Thai politics.

 

Democracies, even in Western countries, do not always rise to the ideals they represent (and that's fine, it's called reality). The way things are practiced here in Thailand, got a ways to go before even being mediocre by these standards. Some of this maybe down to apparently necessary historical processes, some maybe to do with cultural differences, and sure - military interventions aren't helping either. Still, nothing much I see or read moves me to celebrate Thai democracy, or pretend it's something it isn't.

 

Now take your inflated sense of self-importance, step down from the pulpit and get campaigning for the good cause among those who can actually change things - Thai people.

[gamini]

On 5/13/2019 at 12:54 PM, Eric Loh said:

You probably need a pair of new glasses. There were Social Power Party, Thai Power Labour Party, Farmers Party, Citizen Party, Commoner's Party and even a LGBT party to spice things up. 77 political parties took part in the election and could be the showcase of democracy if not for the junta's audacious and corrupt rigging. So at the end of the day, it is clear that we have 2 sides; one that bent all the democratic rules and one that subscribed to democratic rules aka anti junta democratic coalition. 

 

I am still scratching my head as to reason you include those array of taxes and link them to democracy. Kind of monstrous diversion.  

Taxation is relative to all political parties and usually is an important part of the manifesto.

 no party, which has been elected has any policy of taxation at all. In fact, they all have the same fiscal policy. None of them had advocated higher taxes and taxing the rich, so the voters had little choice. Maybe that's why so many of them voted for the junta parties.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, gamini said:

Taxation is relative to all political parties and usually is an important part of the manifesto.

 no party, which has been elected has any policy of taxation at all. In fact, they all have the same fiscal policy. None of them had advocated higher taxes and taxing the rich, so the voters had little choice. Maybe that's why so many of them voted for the junta parties.

No doubt is that tax reforms are important which is why all parties include them in their manifesto. You can look that up here https://prachatai.com/english/node/7980 and find the list of tax reforms which include personal tax, inheritance tax, land tax among many other proposed tax reforms.