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'It's time to rise up,' Venezuelan general tells military officers in video

By Brian Ellsworth

 

FILE PHOTO: Supporters of Venezuelan opposition leader Juan Guaido, who many nations have recognised as the country's rightful interim ruler, take part in a rally in support of the Venezuelan National Assembly and against the government of Venezuela's President Nicolas Maduro in Caracas, Venezuela May 11, 2019. REUTERS/Manaure Quintero

 

CARACAS (Reuters) - A Venezuelan general called on the country's armed forces on Sunday to rise up against President Nicolas Maduro, who has relied on the backing of the military to hold on to power despite an economic collapse.

 

Ramon Rangel, who identified himself as an air force general, said the Venezuelan government is being controlled by the "communist dictatorship" in Cuba - a key Maduro ally.

 

"We have to find a way to get rid of the fear, to go out into the streets, to protest, and to seek a military union to change this political system," Rangel, dressed in a suit with a copy of the constitution in his hand, said in a video posted on YouTube. "It's time to rise up."

 

While Rangel's pronouncement marks another blow to Maduro after a handful of similar defections by senior officers this year, there is little to indicate that he will tip the scales.

 

Officers who have disavowed Maduro have fled the country and the military top brass - most notably those who command troops - continues to recognise Maduro.

 

The information ministry did not respond immediately to a request for comment. Reuters was also unable to obtain comment from Rangel. Air Force Commander Pedro Juliac posted a picture of Rangel on Twitter on Sunday with the words "traitor to the Venezuelan people and the revolution" printed across the image.

 

Rangel was an active military officer who fled to Colombia last month, according to a source close to Venezuela's military who asked not to be identified.

 

Unlike other officers who have made similar pronouncements, Rangel did not voice support for Juan Guaido - the opposition leader who invoked the constitution in January to assume the interim presidency, arguing that Maduro's 2018 re-election was a fraud.

 

More than 50 nations, including the United States and most South American nations, call Guaido Venezuela's legitimate leader.

 

Guaido and a group of soldiers called on the armed forces on April 30 to turn on Maduro, but the military never joined and the uprising collapsed. The government called the event a coup attempt and accused a group of 10 opposition legislators of treason for joining rallies that day.

 

Venezuela is suffering a hyperinflationary collapse that has fuelled a migration exodus of some 3.5 million people in the past three years.

 

(Reporting by Brian Ellsworth; Editing by Paul Tait)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-05-13

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[Srikcir]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Rangel, dressed in a suit with a copy of the constitution in his hand

I wonder if he read the parts in the constitution about how The President of Venezuela is elected and what constitutes treason.

The oath of office is traditionally delivered by the President of the National Assembly for the President of Venezuela¹ while holding a copy of the Constitution of Venezuela:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_office#Venezuela

• Before God and the Fatherland, Do you swear therefore to perform the duties of the position of Constitutional President of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, and in the performance of your duties fulfill the Constitution and laws of the Republic?
• He answers with a "Yes I swear" and the President of the National Assembly then responds: "If you do so, before God and the Fatherland your duties will be performed, and it will be demanded of you if you not. Therefore, in the name of the Republic and by the authority of the law, I investiture you as Constitutional President of the Republic as of this moment for this term period."

Guaido is not the legitimate President of Venezuela according to the literal reading of the constitution. If Guaido and his supporters want to call for opposition to Maduro as President, be honest and say they support insurrection and armed overthrow of the government, and stop references to the constitution.

 

¹  Maduro's January 2019 inauguration oath of office was given by the President of the Supreme Court in contradiction to the constitution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_inauguration_of_Nicolás_Maduro

Did the newly-elected President of the National Assembly Guaido refuse to give the oath? 

[Jingthing]

Maduro wasn't legitimately elected.

 

But dumping him is not going to be easy.

 

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The real reason Venezuela’s Maduro survives: Dirty money

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/the-real-reason-venezuelas-maduro-survives-dirty-money/2019/05/12/ba96413e-7263-11e9-8be0-ca575670e91c_story.html

[piewarmer]

International observers told us the Venezuelan election was cleaner than anywhere, an example of how it should be done. proper ID and fingerprints.

The problem is the opposition didn't field candidates the population supported. Why?, because the social programs put in place by Maduro were successful but at the cost of the upper class, these elites knew they would fail so they didn't bother. 

Governments around the world are corrupted by big business and the few that aren't (to the same degree) are under threat.

Corporatism is choking the planet and sadly Venezuela will eventually fall... the tipping point has already passed and were seeing the last few survivors clinging on.

Chris Hedges has some chilling videos if anyone has the stomach for it. 90% of us are screwed but the top 10% are gonna be fine.

[Jingthing]

Venezuela under Maduro is a failed state.

[off road pat]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Venezuela under Maduro is a failed state.

Because the interference of the USA that don't want a country in it's backyard using it's resources (Mainly Oil) to finance social security and free health care for it's people....It is regarded as a bad (read dangerous for the US) example to follow....

[oldrunner]

Military need to get rid of the Russians and Cubans before they can gain full control.

[from the home of CC]

3 hours ago, car720 said:

Send in the Chinese.  End of problem.  

already there..

https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/chinese-agricultural-projects-in-venezuela-produce-corruption-not-food/4911238.html

[Jingthing]

Because the interference of the USA that don't want a country in it's backyard using it's resources (Mainly Oil) to finance social security and free health care for it's people....It is regarded as a bad (read dangerous for the US) example to follow....

No.
Its failed mostly because of Maduro.

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[pkspeaker]

I was going to run in the US election but I decided to boycott it because it wasn't fair.  I am now declaring myself as POTUS.

[Jingthing]

I was going to run in the US election but I decided to boycott it because it wasn't fair.  I am now declaring myself as POTUS.

Best of luck. First get the backing of 50 countries.

 

 

 

More than 50 nations, including the United States and most South American nations, call Guaido Venezuela's legitimate leader.

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[Guest Jerry787]

question, such general how much got paid by trumph people ? 

[atyclb]

3 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

already there..

https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/chinese-agricultural-projects-in-venezuela-produce-corruption-not-food/4911238.html

 

looks like the same thing china has been doing in sri lanka. many sri lankans think the president is selling out their country

[atyclb]

4 hours ago, off road pat said:

Because the interference of the USA that don't want a country in it's backyard using it's resources (Mainly Oil) to finance social security and free health care for it's people....It is regarded as a bad (read dangerous for the US) example to follow....

 

thank you comrade for the analysis. venezuela was doing much better under chavez before the oil prices dropped. combine falling oil prices with maduro mismanagement and we see the current deteriorating state of affairs.  i am not saying the usa hasnt done anything to meddle but the main failure is not from meddling.

 

venezuela free health care for all is great if public hospitals had medical and surgical supplies and medications and 24/7 electricity.

Edited May 13, 2019 by atyclb

[from the home of CC]

1 hour ago, atyclb said:

 

looks like the same thing china has been doing in sri lanka. many sri lankans think the president is selling out their country

just think what they're doing in Africa with all its riches..

[Prometheus33]

6 hours ago, pkspeaker said:

I was going to run in the US election but I decided to boycott it because it wasn't fair.  I am now declaring myself as POTUS.

Indeed, you are , for sure .. if Cuido or Guido can , surely it is a precedent .. therefore, declare thyself POTUS, by all means !!

[off road pat]

On 5/13/2019 at 4:17 PM, atyclb said:

 

thank you comrade for the analysis. venezuela was doing much better under chavez before the oil prices dropped. combine falling oil prices with maduro mismanagement and we see the current deteriorating state of affairs.  i am not saying the usa hasnt done anything to meddle but the main failure is not from meddling.

 

venezuela free health care for all is great if public hospitals had medical and surgical supplies and medications and 24/7 electricity.

Hmm,...and how could they get those medical supplies if there is a very hard embargo ??

And how would they be able to pay if all there bank accounts are blocked abroad ??

It's far to easy to blame Maduro for mismanagement !!!

[off road pat]

On 5/13/2019 at 12:54 PM, Jingthing said:

No.
Its failed mostly because of Maduro.

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Far to easy to blame Maduro for everything. When the country is crawling under a heavy embargo and can import or export nothing. And the regular sabotaging of there electricity infrastructure !!!

If all these things didn't happen ? I would be the first to blame the government !!!   

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, off road pat said:

Far to easy to blame Maduro for everything. When the country is crawling under a heavy embargo and can import or export nothing. And the regular sabotaging of there electricity infrastructure !!!

If all these things didn't happen ? I would be the first to blame the government !!!   

You're wrong. You're talking about more recent changes. The country was already a failed state for a very long time before that and that's mostly on Maduro. 

[sandrabbit]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're wrong. You're talking about more recent changes. The country was already a failed state for a very long time before that and that's mostly on Maduro. 

The country failed when Chavez started nationalising everything, it should be in the top 10 of richest countries in the world with it's oil/gas & mineral wealth. The biggest mistake Chavez made was nationalising the state oil company PDVSA, after becoming a public company he put one of his cronies in charge who changed conditions for the workers who promptly went on strike and about 20,000 were sacked so there were more jobs for his socialist cronies and people in charge who didn't know how to run an oil company. 

 

I worked there at one of their unfinished gas pumping stations which had been reclaimed by the jungle. I was staying on a ranch and the owner had a couple of businesses which were nationalised overnight so his family moved to Florida although he stays to look after his ranch.

 

I wouldn't mess with the national guard as they are a law unto themselves and I felt like the guy in the film Midnight Express leaving the country even though I was innocent. 

[sandrabbit]

9 hours ago, off road pat said:

sabotaging of there electricity infrastructure !!!

what infrastructure? none of the power generation is connected to the internet, it's down to poor maintenance and slagging off the countries which supplied the equipment for power generation so no one will supply spares or technical support. they shot themselves in the arse and throw siht everywhere except at the leadership.

 

they didn't pay their bills so were thrown under the bus same as the airlines have done. that's why they have to sacrifice themselves to Russia but they don't have/don't want to throw away billions for nothing. one of the reasons for sanctions was money laundering for Iran. 

Edited May 16, 2019 by sandrabbit

[GinBoy2]

On 5/13/2019 at 3:25 AM, off road pat said:

Because the interference of the USA that don't want a country in it's backyard using it's resources (Mainly Oil) to finance social security and free health care for it's people....It is regarded as a bad (read dangerous for the US) example to follow....

There is a certain degree of people inventing facts to try to justify their position.

 

Until January this year, there were no economic sanctions imposed against Venezuela, travel restrictions to the US, Yes.

 

But they were free to trade and sell their oil freely on the global market.

 

Regardless of previous US actions in South America, this basket case was of all of there own making.

 

Venezuela was a failed State long before US economic sanctions were imposed in January. I know that doesn't fit the narrative of a lot of folks, who would love to blame the US, but facts are facts.....although we do live in the age of 'thruthyism', where what you 'feel' to be true somehow trumps facts!