webfact Posted May 14, 2019 Share Posted May 14, 2019 UK PM May to bring Brexit deal back to lawmakers in early June By Guy Faulconbridge and Elizabeth Piper British Prime Minister Theresa May talks with a case worker and domestic violence survivor at Advance Charity offices in West London, where she discussed support for victims of domestic violence, in Britain May 13, 2019. Victoria Jones/Pool via REUTERS LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Theresa May will bring her thrice defeated Brexit deal back to parliament for lawmakers to consider again in the week beginning June 3, a Downing Street spokesman said on Tuesday. Details of the legislative timetable were released after May met opposition Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn to discuss the impasse in seven week-long cross-party talks on leaving the European Union. At the meeting May made clear the government's "determination to bring the talks to a conclusion and deliver on the referendum result to leave the EU," said the Downing Street spokesman. The week of June 3 corresponds with a state visit to Britain by U.S. President Donald Trump. But at the talks with May, Corbyn expressed concern over her ability to deliver on any compromise agreement, said a Labour Party spokesman. "In particular he raised doubts over the credibility of government commitments, following statements by Conservative MPs and cabinet ministers seeking to replace the prime minister," the spokesman said, adding that there was a need "for further movement from the government." May, who secured the Conservative Party leadership and the premiership in the chaos that followed Britain's 2016 vote to leave the EU, has promised to step down if lawmakers back the Brexit deal she struck with Brussels. But the prime minister has lost heavily in three attempts to get it through parliament. And some of her own lawmakers want her to name a date for her departure. Earlier on Tuesday the British government agreed it was "imperative" to ratify Britain's exit from the European Union before the summer break, setting out the clearest deadline so far for the embattled plan and the prime minister's possible departure. NO AGREEMENT Nearly three years after the United Kingdom voted 52% to 48% to leave the EU, there is still no agreement among politicians about when, how or even if the divorce will take place. Britain had been due to leave the EU on March 29, but May was unable to get her divorce deal ratified by parliament. Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said EU leaders did not want an extension beyond the new deadline of Oct. 31, when the legal default is to leave with or without a deal. To try to break the deadlock in parliament, May turned to Labour, led by Corbyn, a veteran socialist, but the talks have so far failed to find an agreement. May has been urged by senior members of her own party to abandon the talks. Senior ministers agreed at a cabinet meeting on Tuesday, however, to press ahead with the talks, May's spokesman said. "Ministers involved in the negotiations set out details of the compromises which the government was prepared to consider in order to consider an agreement which would allow the UK to leave the EU with a deal as soon as possible," the spokesman said. "However, it was agreed that it is imperative to bring forward the Withdrawal Agreement Bill in time for it to receive royal assent by the summer parliamentary recess." Parliament usually breaks for the summer in the second half of July, although the exact date has not yet been set. It must approve the Withdrawal Agreement Bill in order to ratify Britain's exit from the bloc. May has said she will step down once the first phase of Brexit is complete. It would be followed by negotiations on a new trade deal with the EU. SPLIT THE PARTY Thirteen of May’s former cabinet colleagues as well as Graham Brady, chairman of the 1922 Committee of Conservative lawmakers, wrote to May on Tuesday to ask her not to agree to Labour's demand for a post-Brexit customs union with the EU. "You would have lost the loyal middle of the Conservative Party, split our party and with likely nothing to show for it," the letter said. "We urge you to think again." "No leader can bind his or her successor so the deal would likely be at best temporary, at worst illusory," said the letter, whose signatories included Gavin Williamson, who was sacked as defence minister this month, and former foreign minister Boris Johnson. After a series of missteps in trying to deliver Brexit, the Conservative Party has slumped to fifth place ahead of the May 23 European Parliament election, while Nigel Farage's Brexit Party is in the lead, a YouGov opinion poll for The Times newspaper showed on Monday. The Conservatives and the Labour Party were also given a drubbing in local council elections this month. The collapse in support is raising pressure on May to set a date to step down. May, who has repeatedly ruled out signing up to a permanent customs union, has said that if the talks with Labour fail parliament could be asked to vote on a range of Brexit options. Corbyn, too, came under pressure to clarify his stance at a meeting with Labour lawmakers on Monday, with both backers of a second Brexit referendum and others who want a deal to leave arguing their case, sources told Reuters. U.S. investment bank JP Morgan said on Tuesday it was difficult to see May surviving beyond the end of June. Britain's chief Brexit negotiator Olly Robbins was due in Brussels for what May's spokesman said was a routine visit. (Additional reporting by Kylie MacLellan and James Davey; Editing by Michael Holden, Mark Heinrich and Lisa Shumaker) -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-05-15 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post tebee Posted May 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2019 So is trump's visit designed to distract people from the Brexit deal or is the Brexit deal designed to distract people from trump's visit? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted May 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 14, 2019 She wants "meaningful" vote number 4. But she does not want that the people have a 2nd vote, this time better informed about actual facts... 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vogie Posted May 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: She wants "meaningful" vote number 4. But she does not want that the people have a 2nd vote, this time better informed about actual facts... There will be a 'peoples vote' on the day of the EU elections, the people that want to remain in the EU will vote for remain parties, and people that want leave will vote for leave parties. That day will be a great indication as to whether the electorates minds have changed. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stevenl Posted May 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, vogie said: There will be a 'peoples vote' on the day of the EU elections, the people that want to remain in the EU will vote for remain parties, and people that want leave will vote for leave parties. That day will be a great indication as to whether the electorates minds have changed. So farage gets less than 50% means remain? Edited May 15, 2019 by stevenl 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted May 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2019 28 minutes ago, stevenl said: So farage gets less than 50% means remain? ChangeUK gets less than 50% means Leave? 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, JonnyF said: ChangeUK gets less than 50% means Leave? There's multiple remain parties, but really only one leave party. Ok, throw in Ukip as well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vogie Posted May 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2019 Just now, stevenl said: There's multiple remain parties, but really only one leave party. Ok, throw in Ukip as well. Are Labour leave or remain, you must be the only person that knows, even Jeremy Corbyn does not know, but all options are still on the table.???????? 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post evadgib Posted May 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2019 Mays 'deal' has had more comebacks than Gary Glitter. It's time it (and she) was binned. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 37 minutes ago, vogie said: Are Labour leave or remain, you must be the only person that knows, even Jeremy Corbyn does not know, but all options are still on the table.???????? Who mentioned Labour? " There will be a 'peoples vote' on the day of the EU elections, the people that want to remain in the EU will vote for remain parties, and people that want leave will vote for leave parties. That day will be a great indication as to whether the electorates minds have changed. " is the claim you made, now when asked ' So farage gets less than 50% means remain? " you're deflecting again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 hour ago, vogie said: There will be a 'peoples vote' on the day of the EU elections, the people that want to remain in the EU will vote for remain parties, and people that want leave will vote for leave parties. That day will be a great indication as to whether the electorates minds have changed. After telling everyone that “leave” means “no deal”, I wouldn’t be surprised if that became the new narrative of Brexiteers. And, of course, depending on the percentages, it’s up to Brexiteers to decide what a leave-party is and what a remain-party is. After all, they are the authority to tell people what they voted for ???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vogie Posted May 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2019 16 minutes ago, stevenl said: Who mentioned Labour? " There will be a 'peoples vote' on the day of the EU elections, the people that want to remain in the EU will vote for remain parties, and people that want leave will vote for leave parties. That day will be a great indication as to whether the electorates minds have changed. " is the claim you made, now when asked ' So farage gets less than 50% means remain? " you're deflecting again. You mentioned that there will be multiple remain parties but only one leave party, so are you saying you didn't mean that Labour was remain or leave, you're going to confuse yourself playing that game, end of. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, vogie said: You mentioned that there will be multiple remain parties but only one leave party, so are you saying you didn't mean that Labour was remain or leave, you're going to confuse yourself playing that game, end of. Still waiting for an answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soalbundy Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 50 minutes ago, evadgib said: Mays 'deal' has had more comebacks than Gary Glitter. It's time it (and she) was binned. but to be fair even parliament doesn't know what it wants, the nation is divided and firms are leaving, the Spiegel reports that thousands of British firms have relocated to Germany, the majority of billionaires in the UK are Russian. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post evadgib Posted May 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, soalbundy said: but to be fair even parliament doesn't know what it wants, the nation is divided and firms are leaving, the Spiegel reports that thousands of British firms have relocated to Germany, the majority of billionaires in the UK are Russian. The People served Parliament a mandate that they failed to deliver. A Tsunami is heading their way and cannot be stopped. Parliament only has itself to blame for the route-and-branch consequences that will follow. Edited May 15, 2019 by evadgib 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soalbundy Posted May 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2019 Just now, evadgib said: The People know what they want; Parliament hasn't delivered. A Tsunami is heading their way ridden by Farage on a surfboard & megaphone and they only have themselves to blame for the consequences that will follow. There are 48% (if that figure is still valid) who wouldn't follow this loud mouth who still collects his EU salary, has two children with German passports and a French mistress. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, soalbundy said: There are 48% (if that figure is still valid) who wouldn't follow this loud mouth who still collects his EU salary, has two children with German passports and a French mistress. How does the latter half of your post change anything? Edited May 15, 2019 by evadgib 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post stephenterry Posted May 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) If May is determined to push her deal through by holding her party to ransom, it's going to fail, and we're back to square one. First of all it's no good leaving without any plan in place to make it a success, and as for quitting the customs union that is a quick route to utter trade chaos. I've never experienced so much intransigence by the government, parliament and the lemming leavers, who just can't get it that Brexit, as it stands, is a disaster waiting to happen - as from day 1. I am sure that Brexit will haunt the UK for decades, and the young will have to pay the cost. At least they'll be able to rejoin the EU (customs union and single market) after the next general election if Labour keep to their referendum promise. Edited May 15, 2019 by stephenterry correction 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted May 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 hours ago, stevenl said: There's multiple remain parties, but really only one leave party. Ok, throw in Ukip as well. OK let's count all the Remain parties. Lib Dems on about 12%. Change UK on 3% Green 2% Brexit and UKIP combined is approaching 40%. Good luck getting that "People's vote". If you get one, you'll lose again. Nobody changed their minds, if anything Leave looks to have gained a larger majority. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 Farage on LBC yesterday (includes his views on Marr/BBC) : 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenterry Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 38 minutes ago, evadgib said: The People served Parliament a mandate that they failed to deliver. A Tsunami is heading their way and cannot be stopped. Parliament only has itself to blame for the route-and-branch consequences that will follow. It's because parliament have finally come to their senses and realised Brexit won't work for the UK, even if the government and May completely ignore the clear-cut downsides. Pity that lemming leavers can't figure that out, because don't you think for one moment that parliament would pass it like a shot if it was likely to be beneficial for the populace? Why? Because the MPs would retain their seats if it was beneficial. Simple, aint it? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, stephenterry said: It's because parliament have finally come to their senses and realised Brexit won't work for the UK, even if the government and May completely ignore the clear-cut downsides. Pity that lemming leavers can't figure that out, because don't you think for one moment that parliament would pass it like a shot if it was likely to be beneficial for the populace? Why? Because the MPs would retain their seats if it was beneficial. Simple, aint it? a fair enough point but i'm a little surprised that you felt the need to inc an 'owzatt!' Edited May 15, 2019 by evadgib Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stephenterry Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 1 minute ago, evadgib said: a fair enough point but i'm a little surprised that you felt the need to inc an 'owzatt!' Yes, it seems a little unfair, but the leavers' mantra is always we want to leave without any rationale for opinioning the reasons why it would be successful to jump over a cliff edge. Not that I'm persuaded that remaining without taking the EU to task is viable, because the leavers, before committing to being lemmings, have made good points as how to tackle the EU and make it a better place for the UK and all its members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 3 hours ago, vogie said: Are Labour leave or remain, you must be the only person that knows, even Jeremy Corbyn does not know, but all options are still on the table.???????? Spoilt papers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 (edited) Was she not saying only a few days ago it would be before May 23rd??? Early June ...more importantly what year??? Edited May 15, 2019 by Basil B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 2 hours ago, JonnyF said: OK let's count all the Remain parties. Lib Dems on about 12%. Change UK on 3% Green 2% Brexit and UKIP combined is approaching 40%. Good luck getting that "People's vote". If you get one, you'll lose again. Nobody changed their minds, if anything Leave looks to have gained a larger majority. Vogie is the one who claims it is a peo9ple's vote, please don't put words into my mouth. But yes, Brexit parties will not gain a majority. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 6 hours ago, vogie said: There will be a 'peoples vote' on the day of the EU elections, the people that want to remain in the EU will vote for remain parties, and people that want leave will vote for leave parties. That day will be a great indication as to whether the electorates minds have changed. Not really. Many people are so dissapointed and fed up with these politicians who deceived them for so many years that they will not vote any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted May 15, 2019 Share Posted May 15, 2019 There are 48% (if that figure is still valid) who wouldn't follow this loud mouth who still collects his EU salary, has two children with German passports and a French mistress.Please make your point..instead of making cheap..snide..gutter like noisesSent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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