Thanathorn: “We were robbed of victory!”

[pornprong]

41 minutes ago, robblok said:

I guess your an American with no clue about coalitions. Its not as simple as if people wanted Prayut they would have voted for his party. Its better to say if they did not want them they would have voted for anti Prayut parties. 

 

I agree about the stealing seats no argument there. 

I think we all know who is clueless.

 

During the election campaign, the leader of the Democrat Party announced that the Democrats would not be supporting Prayuth to continue as Prime Minister.

 

The Democrat Party, under Abhisit, was an anti-Prayuth party.

 

From this you extrapolate that the 3.9 million Thais who then proceeded to vote for the Democrats were actually still supporting Prayuth for PM and that the millions of previous Democrat voters that abandoned the Democrat Part and voted PPRP did so because...?????

 

I think our American friend has a better understanding of coalitions (and logic and reason) than you do.

 

 

 

Edited June 6, 2019 by pornprong

[GarryP]

1 minute ago, cmsally said:

Didn't the Democrats actually canvass on a "not with Prayuth" stance. As did I think many of the Bhumjai Thai (not sure if all).

So many of their voters might have thought they were voting anti Prayuth.

As I mentioned on another thread, many people who voted for Bhumjai Thai are very upset. Facebook and Twitter are full of upset Bhumjai Thai supporters. They are not only threatening not to vote for this party in the next elections but also to stop supporting businesses of the clan that runs this party.  They are even threatening to burn their Buriram United football shirts and no longer supporting their team. People perhaps thought I was joking with this last sentence when I posted it elsewhere, but supporters are really threatening this. Ridiculous but they take their football seriously.

 

Perhaps, the sole Bhumjai Thai MP who will not be hurt by the electorate will be the one who courageously abstained from voting for Prayuth. But maybe he will not be long with this party as Anuthin has said that he was surprised by this action and will sort out this fellow for not following the party line. 

 

Back to the OP, the result was a foregone conclusion.  I don't see how he can say they were robbed of victory when victory was never a possibility from the beginning.  But being in the opposition is not such a bad thing. Heading a government with a very slim majority would not be very stable, and perhaps he would not have been able to make the changes he wanted. Perhaps, taking this opportunity to debate in parliament from the opposition, drawing the public's attention to the shortcomings of this government and watching Prayuth implode along with the parties which now form the government will be of greater benefit in the long run. 

 

Hopefully, when the next elections come around, FFW will gain more votes from the betrayed Bhumjai Thai and Democrat voters. And with a greater majority in government actually be able to do something for the betterment of the country.

[AGareth2]

given the numbers in the lower house

how long before this govt falls?

[ocddave]

7 minutes ago, pornprong said:

I think we all know who is clueless.

 

During the election campaign, the leader of the Democrat Party announced that the Democrats would not be supporting Prayuth to continue as Prime Minister.

 

The Democrat Party, under Abhisit, was an anti-Prayuth party.

 

From this you extrapolate that the 3.9 million Thais who then proceeded to vote for the Democrats were actually still supporting Prayuth for PM and that the millions of previous Democrat voters that abandoned the Democrat Part and voted PPRP did so because...?????

 

I think our American friend has a better understanding of coalitions (and logic and reason) than you do.

 

 

 

Which is why Abhisit resigned, he will be back, and able to command followers after showing he clearly wasn't behind voting for a dictator. Smart move on his part, the others in the Democrat Party are going to be cleared out during the next elections, they might as well grab as much from the trough as they can, because their days are numbered. 

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, thaikahuna said:

It makes no difference who won or lost, the losing side is always going to claim it was robbed. This little rich kid is nothing more than a piss ant flexing his baht.

Total rubbish.

[scorecard]

1 minute ago, ocddave said:

Which is why Abhisit resigned, he will be back, and able to command followers after showing he clearly wasn't behind voting for a dictator. Smart move on his part, the others in the Democrat Party are going to be cleared out during the next elections, they might as well grab as much from the trough as they can, because their days are numbered. 

Some 'dems' might even jump ship in the near future as they realize that they have been conned, and If that happens and reduces the MP etc., numbers to a tipping point.

 

Meanwhile Khun Thanathorn has time to make lots of critical opportunities to explain to his followers and all of Thailand what's wrong, make them much more aware of their rights and responsibilities, explain why change is needed, what they are entitled to, what exactly must change and why etc. Step by step. 

[scorecard]

13 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

given the numbers in the lower house

how long before this govt falls?

And maybe sooner than expected when more of the ems realize they have been conned and they fully realize they are supporting a planned dictatorship.

[AGareth2]

4 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Some 'dems' might even jump ship in the near future as they realize that they have been conned,

don't you mean not paid enough?

[sammieuk1]

I suspect the next stone faced general is at the advanced planning stage of a military coup now there is a democratically bought elected government ???? 

[MikeandDow]

9 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Some 'dems' might even jump ship in the near future as they realize that they have been conned, and If that happens and reduces the MP etc., numbers to a tipping point.

 

Meanwhile Khun Thanathorn has time to make lots of critical opportunities to explain to his followers and all of Thailand what's wrong, make them much more aware of their rights and responsibilities, explain why change is needed, what they are entitled to, what exactly must change and why etc. Step by step. 

Has the tipping point not been reached already at least 5 dem"s have resigned so does that reduce the number the pms the government have  and whats happened the the other 30 pm have they been suspended for media shares

[pornprong]

19 minutes ago, ocddave said:

Which is why Abhisit resigned, he will be back, and able to command followers after showing he clearly wasn't behind voting for a dictator. Smart move on his part, the others in the Democrat Party are going to be cleared out during the next elections, they might as well grab as much from the trough as they can, because their days are numbered. 

Abhisit will be back?

Abhisit is gone, forever!

Abhisit's idea of fair play is the army illegally seizes power and then hands it to the Democrats.

Unfortunately for this loser, the army realised they don't need to hide behind empty suits.

Especially when the empty suits are more hated than the Generals (referencing of course Abhisit's role in 2010).

 

He is done, a failure of epic proportions.

Had Abhisit never had a political career, Thailand wouldn't be stuck under Prayuth now.

Marvellous legacy that.

[Reigntax]

2 hours ago, lipflipper said:

This clown needs to keep his pie hole shut. Just because your family are mega rich and you think that qualifies you for the top Government job proves that you are incapable of sound logical thinking. You are nothing more than a Thaksin shill and as you will soon find out that paints a target on your back. There are four charges against you and your Future Forward party with more to follow as you continue to be the uppity newcomer who thinks he is Buddha's gift to Thailand.

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Is this Steven's other personality or just the angry twin brother.....or sister.

[ocddave]

1 minute ago, pornprong said:

Abhisit will be back?

Abhisit is gone, forever!

Abhisit's idea of fair play is the army illegally seizes power and then hands it to the Democrats.

Unfortunately for this loser, the army realised they don't need to hide behind empty suits.

Especially when the empty suits are more hated than the Generals (referencing of course Abhisit's role in 2010).

 

He is done, a failure of epic proportions.

Had Abhisit never had a political career, Thailand wouldn't be stuck under Prayuth now.

Marvellous legacy that.

I'll remember to quote you in the future, but I am pretty sure Abhisit did not resign for nothing, he did it to make sure he would HAVE a future. This is Thailand, nobody does anything here without first thinking themselves, not their countrymen.

[madmitch]

22 minutes ago, scorecard said:

And maybe sooner than expected when more of the ems realize they have been conned and they fully realize they are supporting a planned dictatorship.

They're not stupid. They knew exactly what they are supporting and no doubt some will have slightly larger bank balances as a result. In Thai politics, most politicians seem to go for what suits them as individuals and not what's best for the country.

[lemonjelly]

2 hours ago, lipflipper said:

This clown needs to keep his pie hole shut. Just because your family are mega rich and you think that qualifies you for the top Government job proves that you are incapable of sound logical thinking. You are nothing more than a Thaksin shill and as you will soon find out that paints a target on your back. There are four charges against you and your Future Forward party with more to follow as you continue to be the uppity newcomer who thinks he is Buddha's gift to Thailand.

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[pornprong]

12 minutes ago, ocddave said:

I'll remember to quote you in the future, but I am pretty sure Abhisit did not resign for nothing, he did it to make sure he would HAVE a future. This is Thailand, nobody does anything here without first thinking themselves, not their countrymen.

He resigned NOW, because it means nothing NOW, because NOW he commands ZERO respect and ZERO support.

 

Dead duck.

Just a carcass swinging in the breeze.

 

He is, now, where he belongs.

Where he has always belonged,

out of the picture,

never to return,

an irrelevancy.

[EricTh]

The army guy who had set fire to a temple to drive away the previous abbot and unofficially appointed himself as abbot for 5 years is now officially an abbot after recruiting his own batch of monks.

 

What a strategist! 

Edited June 6, 2019 by EricTh

[from the home of CC]

Now that this is settled for now perhaps all the political scientists here can take their passions and direct them to their own 'utopias'. You know, all the countries that are so politically sound and are leading beacons for the the rest of the world to follow lol. Take a look at your own homelands, and then tell us all on how it should be. Maybe it's the frustration of seeing your country slowly going down the tube economically. Or maybe it's the precipitous fall of world influence your homestead is experiencing. Perhaps it's an immigration issue which is causing problems related to day to day security of your fellow countryman. With this election over for now at least now you can pull your fingers back from pointing at Thailand and maybe direct them to your own esteemed politicians. You know the ones that make this world a better place to live in? Wait, you don't have any that fit that description? Exactly. I guess that's why you get so excited at other nations political activities, because it's a little painful to look at your own. 

Edited June 6, 2019 by from the home of CC

[Chazar]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

How do you come to the numbers that more than half did not want Prayut.  Do show me i like to know. Because you can say that the democrats and the Bumyaithai voters did not want this but its their leaders that decide. They will be decimated in the next election if they went against their voters. Just the way it goes in other countries with coalitions. (i come from a country famous for its coalitions).

 

And yes I agree cheating went on with the small parties getting seats. 

 

As I said would rather have seen Thanathorn win but its not this way. Maybe its even better because the current government will have a lot of economic problems so next time the voting the current mob will be decimated. 

Unless they appoint 500 senators, and i  wouldn't be surprised.

[Roadman]

1 hour ago, GarryP said:

As I mentioned on another thread, many people who voted for Bhumjai Thai are very upset. Facebook and Twitter are full of upset Bhumjai Thai supporters. They are not only threatening not to vote for this party in the next elections but also to stop supporting businesses of the clan that runs this party.  They are even threatening to burn their Buriram United football shirts and no longer supporting their team. People perhaps thought I was joking with this last sentence when I posted it elsewhere, but supporters are really threatening this. Ridiculous but they take their football seriously.

 

Perhaps, the sole Bhumjai Thai MP who will not be hurt by the electorate will be the one who courageously abstained from voting for Prayuth. But maybe he will not be long with this party as Anuthin has said that he was surprised by this action and will sort out this fellow for not following the party line. 

 

Back to the OP, the result was a foregone conclusion.  I don't see how he can say they were robbed of victory when victory was never a possibility from the beginning.  But being in the opposition is not such a bad thing. Heading a government with a very slim majority would not be very stable, and perhaps he would not have been able to make the changes he wanted. Perhaps, taking this opportunity to debate in parliament from the opposition, drawing the public's attention to the shortcomings of this government and watching Prayuth implode along with the parties which now form the government will be of greater benefit in the long run. 

 

Hopefully, when the next elections come around, FFW will gain more votes from the betrayed Bhumjai Thai and Democrat voters. And with a greater majority in government actually be able to do something for the betterment of the country.

Well reasoned and stated right through. Totally agree. The hand was dealt and they all knew who held the aces for this round before it even started. FFW and Thanathorn are where they need to be to learn and if they show they are who they claim to be then they will sweep the next election and agree...hopefully finally see democracy start to take hold for the betterment of the country. 

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Well Duh! Did you just work that out?

 

The people will cry for freedom, cry for justice

I don't think they will. So long as they have rice to eat today, everything will be ok!

Unfortunately, yes - far too many surviving on a day to day basis with little hope of beating the problem. 

It will only ever improve when there isn't a bowl or 2 of rice each day. 

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, BobbyL said:

Prayuth, is that you? 

Maybe a clone of Prayuth....... 

[Artisi]

2 hours ago, z42 said:

By far the dirtiest election i've ever seen. The silver lining is that the incompetence and mismanagement that will prevail in the coming years will make all of those associated with this ghastly pro-junta coalition completely unelectable in the future.

 

Thaksin is a completely spent force now. New players will win the day in the elections of the future

So maybe there is a silver lining to the dodgy outcome... 

 

[BobBKK]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Robbed, probably however even without the senator Prayut got enough votes. Just an example of how coalition governments work. 

 

I rather had seen him in power then Prayut but Prayut got an alliance together with more seats then the PTP and FFW. It would have been far more of a robbery if the PTP and FFW had more MP's and were robbed because of the elected senate.

Still with all the cheating going on seats going to smaller parties I understand their feeling of getting robbed and I largely agree. 

 

Lets see how the people vote next time.

Noooo they were bought by jobs for the boyz. Totally rigged. Read Khasod's great piece today 'A sham'.

[rkidlad]

33 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

Now that this is settled for now perhaps all the political scientists here can take their passions and direct them to their own 'utopias'. You know, all the countries that are so politically sound and are leading beacons for the the rest of the world to follow lol. Take a look at your own homelands, and then tell us all on how it should be. Maybe it's the frustration of seeing your country slowly going down the tube economically. Or maybe it's the precipitous fall of world influence your homestead is experiencing. Perhaps it's an immigration issue which is causing problems related to day to day security of your fellow countryman. With this election over for now at least now you can pull your fingers back from pointing at Thailand and maybe direct them to your own esteemed politicians. You know the ones that make this world a better place to live in? Wait, you don't have any that fit that description? Exactly. I guess that's why you get so excited at other nations political activities, because it's a little painful to look at your own. 

I criticize my country's politics quite a lot online. I just don't do it on a website that's mostly dedicated to all things Thai on a thread that's related to Thai politics.  Why would I?

[30la]

We hope that the battles of a few years ago, reds against yellows, do not start again, now the other part would be the military and as we know they do not think twice about shooting!
I still hope that democracy can prevail!

[CharlieH]

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[DPKANKAN]

3 hours ago, rkidlad said:

The people did vote. More than half didn't want Prayut. That's why the election was rigged. 

 

Don't compare coalitions of civilized countries to this one. It's a massive insult. 

78% of the vote was not for Prayut. Yet of course he still gets in!! 

[pornprong]

1 hour ago, from the home of CC said:

Now that this is settled for now perhaps all the political scientists here can take their passions and direct them to their own 'utopias'. You know, all the countries that are so politically sound and are leading beacons for the the rest of the world to follow lol. Take a look at your own homelands, and then tell us all on how it should be. Maybe it's the frustration of seeing your country slowly going down the tube economically. Or maybe it's the precipitous fall of world influence your homestead is experiencing. Perhaps it's an immigration issue which is causing problems related to day to day security of your fellow countryman. With this election over for now at least now you can pull your fingers back from pointing at Thailand and maybe direct them to your own esteemed politicians. You know the ones that make this world a better place to live in? Wait, you don't have any that fit that description? Exactly. I guess that's why you get so excited at other nations political activities, because it's a little painful to look at your own. 

Or perhaps all the political scientists are not political scientists at all, rather, just ordinary human beings empathetic to the wrongs being inflicted upon those they live amongst.

 

Empathy and a preference for fairness and justice is what gets us excited.

What does it for you?

[jingjai9]

Was it Winston Churchill who said it, "People get the government they deserve." Holds try for any nation.