Biden reverses position on federal funding for abortion

[OtinPattaya]

22 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

What exactly have the elderly left for the young, other than a mountain of debt, a polluted planet anda zero sustainability economy?

You do realize, right, that you're also going to have a younger generation to answer to? And what have you done to make the world a better place?

 

Please be specific as to which generation of geezers you have a problem with. 

 

We all know that your generation is going to be the first generation in recorded history to actually learn from history and not repeat the follies of your forebears. If so, mate, I'd love to hear about your plan to save the world ????

[OtinPattaya]

8 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

It's basically legal everywhere hospice care exists. I gave my father his fatal dose though neither of us knew it would be. It was basically palliative care for a rapidly deteriorating terminal condition. It could have happened the week before or the day after but it was about to happen.

I'm sorry you had to do that. Did you get any assistance from the medical institution or the doctors? Or was this something you basically had to do on your own? Either way, it's regrettable. 

[lannarebirth]

20 minutes ago, OtinPattaya said:

You do realize, right, that you're also going to have a younger generation to answer to? And what have you done? Ah, are you a millennial? There's also a generation Z you're going to have to answer to, which is going to be pretty difficult when one-third of you still live with your parents. Are you implicating the baby-boomers? Please be specific as to which generation of geezers you have a problem with. 

I would say "The Greatest Generation" is probably not as great as their label implies, although I do give them credit for their stoicism through great adversity. The Baby Boomers (myself included) have pretty much become marginally wealthy by doing nothing other than sitting on our asses and watching our assets appreciate, first from inflationary forces and then by disinflationary forces. Between us we pretty much own everything and the generations that follow are left to pay a hefty bill. 

 

BTW, the topic is about Biden and abortions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OtinPattaya]

12 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

I would say "The Greatest Generation" is probably not as great as their label implies, although I do give them credit for their stoicism through great adversity. The Baby Boomers (myself included) have pretty much become marginally wealthy by doing nothing other than sitting on our asses and watching our assets appreciate, first from inflationary forces and then by disinflationary forces. Between us we pretty much own everything and the generations that follow are left to pay a hefty bill. 

 

 

 

 

We should acknowledge and respect the "greatest generation," but that generation is a thing of the past, never to be repeated. And it doesn't really do the rest of us any good to be constantly comparing ourselves to a world-war-time generation against the great-big boogie-man of the Nazi's. We got bigger things to worry about. We got China to worry about;)

 

I will say this. I do like the word "maginally". However, are subsequent generations going to excoriate the Baby Boomers for their success? Would not subsequent generations be equally entitled to that success were it so forthcoming? I think so. The boomers were the generation that gave us civil rights; they were also the generation that turned unthinking optimism into the Road to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions. 

 

 

 

 

[lannarebirth]

16 minutes ago, OtinPattaya said:

I'm sorry you had to do that. Did you get any assistance from the medical institution or the doctors? Or was this something you basically had to do on your own? Either way, it's regrettable. 

 

I had a lot of assistance and support from the hospice care group in my father's locale. They were extremely caring and conscientious. They were not "pushy" in any way. I am very much at peace with how things transpired.

[OtinPattaya]

6 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I had a lot of assistance and support from the hospice care group in my father's locale. They were extremely caring and conscientious. They were not "pushy" in any way. I am very much at peace with how things transpired.

I'm very glad to hear of that. I've been involved with family and relatives where the only option was slow agonizing death or suicide. There was no third alternative. 

[mogandave]

A few people here have brought up the topic of the elderly and terminally sick in the West. And how wonderfully unconcerned we are about their personal dignity. I won't speak for other western countries but in America nobody cares about how old people die. I believe that women should have the ultimate choice where their own bodies are concerned. What's the alternative? That the government makes this decision? It's not a choice between a good and an evil; it's the choice between the lesser of two evils. To me it's simply not in the proper purview of a government to legislate such biological choices. It doesn't mean I dance on the freaking graves of the aborted the way the radical left in American seems to do. We really should learn something from the Thai and as Westerners develop some sort of respect for the elderly who have built our respective countries--and then whose reward is complete indifference.  

Wow, you speak for everyone in America.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, OtinPattaya said:

A few people here have brought up the topic of the elderly and terminally sick in the West. And how wonderfully unconcerned we are about their personal dignity. I won't speak for other western countries but in America nobody cares about how old people die. I believe that women should have the ultimate choice where their own bodies are concerned. What's the alternative? That the government makes this decision? It's not a choice between a good and an evil; it's the choice between the lesser of two evils. To me it's simply not in the proper purview of a government to legislate such biological choices. It doesn't mean I dance on the freaking graves of the aborted the way the radical left in American seems to do. We really should learn something from the Thai and as Westerners develop some sort of respect for the elderly who have built our respective countries--and then whose reward is complete indifference.  

Speaking as an elderly person myself, it's not just in America that most are unconcerned about the older citizens. Here, only those rich enough to pay for a good retirement home have it nice, the rest die unhappily.

As the baby boomer generation enter retirement it's only going to get worse too. Just not enough money to do better.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, Mac98 said:

Do they allow the father to have a say in this decision? No, not on your life! Why? Because it's the woman's decision and only her decision. End of argument!

Frankly I agree with that. When men carry the baby around for 9 months, suffer morning sickness, pica, stretch marks, droopy boobs, and excruciating pain giving birth they can have a say. Till then, just shut up and accept whatever she wants.

[BritManToo]

15 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Frankly I agree with that. When men carry the baby around for 9 months, suffer morning sickness, pica, stretch marks, droopy boobs, and excruciating pain giving birth they can have a say. Till then, just shut up and accept whatever she wants.

I'd be totally OK with that, in exchange for a free house, 100% custody, believing me, welfare, child maintenance and never having to work another day in my life.

[lannarebirth]

19 hours ago, lannarebirth said:

I would say "The Greatest Generation" is probably not as great as their label implies, although I do give them credit for their stoicism through great adversity. The Baby Boomers (myself included) have pretty much become marginally wealthy by doing nothing other than sitting on our asses and watching our assets appreciate, first from inflationary forces and then by disinflationary forces. Between us we pretty much own everything and the generations that follow are left to pay a hefty bill. 

 

BTW, the topic is about Biden and abortions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I got that wrong. I wasn't thinking of the so called "Greatest Generation" but the "Silent Generation" which was next in line. 

[Chomper Higgot]

54 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I'd be totally OK with that, in exchange for a free house, 100% custody, believing me, welfare, child maintenance and never having to work another day in my life.

You’ve given us your symptoms, but skipped the underlying cause.

 

Go on tell us your painful story Bro.

[Cryingdick]

Biden nowhere to be found in Iowa with the other dems. They are going to tear him apart over this flip flop before/if the reps get to it. He is getting a little dose of the nasty outraged mob and avoiding them at all costs. Smart.

[Credo]

6 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

Biden nowhere to be found in Iowa with the other dems. They are going to tear him apart over this flip flop before/if the reps get to it. He is getting a little dose of the nasty outraged mob and avoiding them at all costs. Smart.

I believe he was not in Iowa because he was attending his granddaughters graduation.   

 

[Cryingdick]

49 minutes ago, Credo said:

I believe he was not in Iowa because he was attending his granddaughters graduation.   

 

 

He wasn't at their national convention in California either when they booed anybody moderate off stage. This is why he is getting the nickname Hidin' Biden. He is beginning to look like he is afraid to show his face. I really can't blame him for not wanting to face an angry mob intolerant of a diversity of ideas.

 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/06/02/john-delaney-booed-california-democratic-convention-sot-nr-vpx.cnn

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Credo said:

I believe he was not in Iowa because he was attending his granddaughters graduation.   

 

Anyone not willing to sacrifice a little probably doesn't have the right stuff to be president. One really has to want it these days.

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Anyone not willing to sacrifice a little probably doesn't have the right stuff to be president. One really has to want it these days.

Said without even a blush by a supporter of old ‘Bone spurs’.

[Tug]

Yup the trump supporters are a mite desperate of late lol 

[mogandave]

Said without even a blush by a supporter of old ‘Bone spurs’.

What is the difference between Trump’s bone-spurs and Biden’s four deferments and then the asthma that went away after the war?

Once President Clinton got a pass I think it fair that everyone gets a pass, yes?

Unless the left hates them of course...

[Jingthing]

28 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

What is the difference between Trump’s bone-spurs and Biden’s four deferments and then the asthma that went away after the war?

Once President Clinton got a pass I think it fair that everyone gets a pass, yes?

Unless the left hates them of course...

 

Actually asthma can often go away as you get older. I don't know if it did in Biden's case but it's irrelevant. People can function in life indefinitely with asthma. I have had asthma since childhood and still have it. I just puff on stuff. But having asthma can be a totally legitimate excuse for military deferment though.

 

If there is evidence that Biden faked his asthma to get out of service, of course that would be a legit criticism, and would tend to neuter the obvious fake bone spurs of "trump". However if it's Buttigieg that's nominated that issue could become powerful.  

 

Bone spurs don't go away naturally. "trump" never had bone spurs. He was never medically treated for bone spurs. The story about the doctor that LIED for "trump" is known now. FACTS.

[mogandave]

Actually asthma can often go away as you get older. I don't know if it did in Biden's case but it's irrelevant. People can function in life indefinitely with asthma. I have had asthma since childhood and still have it. I just puff on stuff. But having asthma can be a totally legitimate excuse for military deferment though.
 
If there is evidence that Biden faked his asthma to get out of service, of course that would be a legit criticism, and would tend to neuter the obvious fake bone spurs of "trump". However if it's Buttigieg that's nominated that issue could become powerful.  
 
Bone spurs don't go away naturally. "trump" never had bone spurs. He was never medically treated for bone spurs. The story about the doctor that LIED for "trump" is known now. FACTS.

Yeah, after four deferments Biden probably just got “lucky” with the asthma.

And President Clinton probably went to Canada for the health care...

[OtinPattaya]

On 6/8/2019 at 9:23 PM, lannarebirth said:

 

What exactly have the elderly left for the young, other than a mountain of debt, a polluted planet anda zero sustainability economy?

Well, other than the "mountain of debt, a polluted planet, and a zero sustainable economy," the elderly gave you freedom from the Nazis, at colossal sacrifice, civil rights as we know it, as imperfect as it is, pretty much every technological advancement including this forum, etc, etc, etc. What have you done? Somehow I don't seem to remember you or your progressive young friends storming the beaches of Normandy. I seem to remember you living in the basement with your parents, wondering why your 4-year degree is worthless, toking up a doobie, with your hand outstretched for socialist alms. 

 

Believe me as a Gen X'er I'd love to blame the boomers for all our problems, and I do blame them for a lot of them. But in end what difference does it make? 

[OtinPattaya]

23 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Actually asthma can often go away as you get older. I don't know if it did in Biden's case but it's irrelevant. People can function in life indefinitely with asthma. I have had asthma since childhood and still have it. I just puff on stuff. But having asthma can be a totally legitimate excuse for military deferment though.

 

If there is evidence that Biden faked his asthma to get out of service, of course that would be a legit criticism, and would tend to neuter the obvious fake bone spurs of "trump". However if it's Buttigieg that's nominated that issue could become powerful.  

 

Bone spurs don't go away naturally. "trump" never had bone spurs. He was never medically treated for bone spurs. The story about the doctor that LIED for "trump" is known now. FACTS.

 

Of course all privileged politicians and their parents are going to do everything in their power to get out of going to the front lines. The front lines are for the poor, the working class, and the idiot middle class. I had bone spurs and I was a competitive athlete and they ACTAULLY caused me problems. I still had to register for the draft. True, bone spurs do NOT go away naturally. You need surgery to get rid of them.  All kinds of amateur and professional athletes deal with bone spur problems. And I'm sure that Biden had such a debilitating case of asthma that it completely precluded his ability to serve in a time of war. Keep quibbling over which politician has the faker illness. 

[OtinPattaya]

On 6/9/2019 at 4:35 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Speaking as an elderly person myself, it's not just in America that most are unconcerned about the older citizens. Here, only those rich enough to pay for a good retirement home have it nice, the rest die unhappily.

As the baby boomer generation enter retirement it's only going to get worse too. Just not enough money to do better.

The baby boomers have already long entered retirement, many years ago. It's the gen X'ers who are floating the boomers. And the millennials? They're still living in the basement of their parent's house and dreaming of college-debt deferment. Not a lot of hope for us Gen X'ers. The Boomers, however, they're golden.

 

The ironic thing is that if all the geezers could unify the silly little twenty-somethings wouldn't have a pot to piss in. I mean what kind of political or economical power does the average Western twenty-year-old have that isn't bequeathed by its adoring parents. This generation of youthful westerners can't even out-compete immigrants who don't even speak the language. 

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎6‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 2:32 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Said without even a blush by a supporter of old ‘Bone spurs’.

and you know that because...………………………..

I can't say what I want because of rule 7.

[bristolboy]

On 6/12/2019 at 1:43 PM, OtinPattaya said:

The baby boomers have already long entered retirement, many years ago. It's the gen X'ers who are floating the boomers. And the millennials? They're still living in the basement of their parent's house and dreaming of college-debt deferment. Not a lot of hope for us Gen X'ers. The Boomers, however, they're golden.

 

The ironic thing is that if all the geezers could unify the silly little twenty-somethings wouldn't have a pot to piss in. I mean what kind of political or economical power does the average Western twenty-year-old have that isn't bequeathed by its adoring parents. This generation of youthful westerners can't even out-compete immigrants who don't even speak the language. 

I'm not sure if you understand how Social Security works. It's always been structured so that the those receiving benefits get much of their support from the younger generations. It was designed that way from the beginning. During their working years, baby boomers supported retirees, too.  

[thaibeachlovers]

14 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

I'm not sure if you understand how Social Security works. It's always been structured so that the those receiving benefits get much of their support from the younger generations. It was designed that way from the beginning. During their working years, baby boomers supported retirees, too.  

Except when we were working there were lots of us and not many oldies.

Now there are loads of us retired and real jobs are vanishing at an alarming rate, so less tax income proportionately.

They are going to have to come up with a better way of giving us the pension, or bring in euthanasia on demand.

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

I'm not sure if you understand how Social Security works. It's always been structured so that the those receiving benefits get much of their support from the younger generations. It was designed that way from the beginning. During their working years, baby boomers supported retirees, too.  

Yes, pretty much, but there is some unfairness built into it. Why is there an income cap on the contributions? Clearly that's welfare for the rich. Also there is the bias against the poor and some minorities. Statistically they die much earlier so then they paid in and may never live long enough to get a claim. Of course that happens with wealthy and non-minority people too, but at lower percentages. Obviously no social program can ever be perfect and social security isn't either. 

[mogandave]

Yes, pretty much, but there is some unfairness built into it. Why is there an income cap on the contributions? Clearly that's welfare for the rich. Also there is the bias against the poor and some minorities. Statistically they die much earlier so then they paid in and may never live long enough to get a claim. Of course that happens with wealthy and non-minority people too, but at lower percentages. Obviously no social program can ever be perfect and social security isn't either. 

While while you do only pay on about the first $120K, the benefit is capped as well. If you don’t cap contributions, it’s not fair to cap payments.

It is worth noting that when SS payments started in 1940, life expectancy for men was about 61, and women about 65.

It’s up up to almost 80 now, that’s an extra 15 years of payments.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

While while you do only pay on about the first $120K, the benefit is capped as well. If you don’t cap contributions, it’s not fair to cap payments.

It is worth noting that when SS payments started in 1940, life expectancy for men was about 61, and women about 65.

It’s up up to almost 80 now, that’s an extra 15 years of payments.

 

I happen not to agree with you about not capping the contributions just because the payments are capped. Sooner or later the cap will be raised, though not eliminated.