6 hours ago, stevenl said:

" no proxy group operating in the area has the resources and proficiency to act with such a high degree of sophistication, "

Aren't Israel and USA in the region?

 

Aren't you trolling? Because, clearly, countries aren't "proxy groups" - at least not in the OP's context. But then, you already knew that.

6 hours ago, Tug said:

Geese if any really stupid guy were to do something like that I would assume he would attach  his limpet when the ship was dockside duhhh and probably use a remote or timer or some gps type device really low tec and shockingly easy to do 

 

If I understand correctly, the footage supposedly shows the removal of a mine which failed to explode. There's nothing to say that your take on how/where the mines were attached is incorrect.

6 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Yes, Bolton sure is taking his time presenting the alleged evidence related to the first attack. And the same applies to Pompeo on this one, unless that video clip is genuine and shows what it's supposedly showing. Would be much better if the both kept their mouth shut unless it's to provide a clear indication that Iran did or didn't carry out the attacks.

 

And yes, the list might include quite a few countries, including the one who's flag you use as an avatar.

 

 

For once I agree with you and even your statement of the obvious regarding Iran.

It also includes those who you consistently support - Israel & the US itself.

9 hours ago, Tug said:

Could be but then again  could be someone else Donald is desperate for distractions rite now could be at his direction who knows

 

So you think that the POTUS is so desperate to deflect attention from the ludicrous witch hunts the desperate democrats are pursuing that he instructed a covert operation to attack shipping from allied nations so Iran can be blamed.

 

Your comment says more about the desperation of democrats!

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

While I agree that seems the case with respect to Iran and the US and Western Governments but I wonder if it's entirely true.

 

How, does Iran respond to diplomacy from China, Russia, India, Pakistan and others?

 

 
 

 

It would depend what the "diplomacy" label covers. So long as it's just trade, and no one talks about touchy issues, all's well.

 

Doubt it can be said of these countries that they are particularly invested in non-proliferation issues. Other than Russia, not much by way of direct involvement in issues related to Iran's regional ambitions. Also, to differing degrees, these countries tend to refrain from dealing with things labeled as other countries' domestic issues.

 

Iran breached it's non-proliferation obligations while having diplomatic and trade relations with all of the above. 

5 hours ago, otherstuff1957 said:

Not to mention the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, which has been doing  quite a bit of sabre-rattling lately.

I agree they have the motive but since they have the proficiency of a three legged camel I believe they would need help from their friends..

if Iran gets accepted into the the SCO then all bets are off, those imposed sanctions will be a huge regret..

The general public needs to get brains. And fast. 

 

The US wants a war with Iran. We all know this. Then all the sudden a US tanker explodes. Wow. 

 

Should we go down the list. Iraq, Syria, Yemen. The list goes on forever. Look at the pattern. Grow a brain. 

6 hours ago, Dellboy218 said:

Tony Blair will be out there soon to locate the missing WMDs.

Having said that Iran is no stranger to attacking tankers using anything from Exocets down. 

Having said that the USA is no stranger to regime changes, black operations or open warfare up to normal weapons, nuclear weapons, chemical and biological warfare.

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

If I understand correctly, the footage supposedly shows the removal of a mine which failed to explode. There's nothing to say that your take on how/where the mines were attached is incorrect.

Even easyer and no tec a speedboat cluck goes the limpet and detonate with what ever form you choose what surprises me is the ease of attacking thease vessels the cargo and vessels are so valuable why aren’t they guarded just a skiff and a bomb timer and magnet just about any group could manage this(or mercenary)contractor

From the link I provided earlier:

In a statement, US Central Command said the crew of the Kokuka Courageous "abandoned their ship after discovering a probable unexploded limpet mine on their hull following an initial explosion".

There is a photo showing a foreign object attached to the hull, at the same height as the damage. Then there is an admittedly grainy video of the unexploded mine being removed, at what seems to be the exact place the foreign object was seen. The boat is described as an Iranian Gashti class patrol boat. Either there has been some very classy photoshopping done, or an ayotollah has just stuck his dick in the mincer.

Edited June 14, 20197 yr by Ozman52

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, stevenl said:

" no proxy group operating in the area has the resources and proficiency to act with such a high degree of sophistication, "

Aren't Israel and USA in the region?

Israel is dying to get the US to eliminate Iran.? Its arch enemy.

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Even easyer and no tec a speedboat cluck goes the limpet and detonate with what ever form you choose what surprises me is the ease of attacking thease vessels the cargo and vessels are so valuable why aren’t they guarded just a skiff and a bomb timer and magnet just about any group could manage this(or mercenary)contractor

Multiple timing mechanisms and the magnets are built into one system. I sincerely doubt anyone in their right mind would try to remove someone else's installed and triggered mine.  

 

The guys in the boat are the guys that put it there.

 

47 minutes ago, Ozman52 said:

From the link I provided earlier:

In a statement, US Central Command said the crew of the Kokuka Courageous "abandoned their ship after discovering a probable unexploded limpet mine on their hull following an initial explosion".

There is a photo showing a foreign object attached to the hull, at the same height as the damage. Then there is an admittedly grainy video of the unexploded mine being removed, at what seems to be the exact place the foreign object was seen. The boat is described as an Iranian Gashti class patrol boat. Either there has been some very classy photoshopping done, or an ayotollah has just stuck his dick in the mincer.

If they caught them attaching it it would say something, seeing them removing it is meaningless.

23 minutes ago, stevenl said:

If they caught them attaching it it would say something, seeing them removing it is meaningless.

These things have 10000 minute timers and other tricks. If the Iran Revolutionary Guards did not plant it, they have no idea when the timer will go off, or if it's a dud. How would they know? Do you really think they're going to park a boat full of 15 people right next to someone else's mine and start yanking on it? 

 

They pulled if off because they knew, they knew because the planted it.

 

Edited June 14, 20197 yr by rabas

1 hour ago, rabas said:

Multiple timing mechanisms and the magnets are built into one system. I sincerely doubt anyone in their right mind would try to remove someone else's installed and triggered mine.  

 

The guys in the boat are the guys that put it there.

 

 

To put it another way, if team A was trying to remove a mine put in place by group B, then it would be in group A's best interests to do so publicly, thus exposing group B's involvement.

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9 hours ago, Morch said:

 

To put it another way, if team A was trying to remove a mine put in place by group B, then it would be in group A's best interests to do so publicly, thus exposing group B's involvement.

If you mean, A team rushed to remove the mine to hide evidence of B team's failure, for the world to see, then yes. It is now one of the world's most exposed facts.

 

For now let's hope it wasn't Iran because if it were, both teams are in deep doo doo back home.

2 hours ago, rabas said:

If you mean, A team rushed to remove the mine to hide evidence of B team's failure, for the world to see, then yes. It is now one of the world's most exposed facts.

 

For now let's hope it wasn't Iran because if it were, both teams are in deep doo doo back home.

 

To clarify - substitute "team A" with "Iranian forces", and "team B" with "USA/SA/UAE forces". Or the other way around, according to politics. If either side had such ultimate proof that the other placed the mine, publicly exposing it would be a significant "win".

 

Assuming (it's not a given and not taking it at face value, for now) the clip does indeed show Iranians in the act of removing the one which did not explode, then its hard to interpret their actions as anything but a clumsy attempt to dispose of evidence.