Healthy eating isn’t just about avoiding meat but having a balanced diet.

[Deerculler]

I think you meant lamb where NZ is world class. I would dump steak and survive on little butterfly lamb chops but they are expensive

I had some NZ lamb last week which I bought at Macro. They have legs, ones shoulder and chops.
I did enjoy it but prefer beef. NZ products.
I have seen NZ beef steak at some Tops Supermarkets.






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[sirineou]

3 minutes ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

What is this crap? There's literally NO connection between unprocessed meat and health issues - the only health issues studies find are from processed meat. Dairy however is linked to cancer, and nightshades (tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant) mess up your gut. Some legumes are bad for you too.

 

Wish beef was cheaper and more readily available in Thailand... I miss a good steak.

Grass feed meat in moderation is safe IMO

But How about corn feed meat containing  antibiotics, and growth hormones?  

[balo]

46 minutes ago, trd said:

Avoid beans and lentils like the plague. They will slowly kill you.

Nonsense, a balanced diet is all you need. I eat chicken from time to time, and fish, but avoid red meat. Already enough evidence out there, even a doctor will warn you about red meat.

[Deerculler]

My NZ lamb shoulder from last week. Delicious.


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[trd]

Nonsense, a balanced diet is all you need. I eat chicken from time to time, and fish, but avoid red meat. Already enough evidence out there, even a doctor will warn you about red meat.

These "doctors" don't know what they're talking about. I can show you an extensive study showing a correlation in the increase in cancer due to a decrease in the consumption of red meat over the last 50 years.

[trd]

Grass feed meat in moderation is safe IMO
But How about corn feed meat containing  antibiotics, and growth hormones?  

How about the extensive overuse of crop spraying on vegetables grown in Thailand. What a choice!

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, balo said:

Nonsense, a balanced diet is all you need. I eat chicken from time to time, and fish, but avoid red meat. Already enough evidence out there, even a doctor will warn you about red meat.

 Same here. Went vegetarian for a while, it did not significantly improve my cholesterol, doctor said it is hereditary, but my Triglycerides and sugar  went up.

 I balanced my diet with more protein , only complex carbohydrates, fish and free range chicken with the occasional grass fed  beef. And now only the occasional beer.  Used to drink a few every day. Multi vitamin, Zink, Magnesium, Tablespoon unpasteurised   Apple cider vinegar.  

Sugar 98 a couple of hrs after a meal, triglycerides down, LDL down HDL up. No more Omeprazol for the stomach. 

GOT TO WAtCH THE SUGGAR ,it is killing as

.Watch the beer ,   a can of beer is the sugar equivalent of a can of coke. I used to eat super healthy and then drink a few beers . 

Balanced Diet, is the key.

 

[sirineou]

14 minutes ago, trd said:

21 minutes ago, sirineou said:

Grass feed meat in moderation is safe IMO
But How about corn feed meat containing  antibiotics, and growth hormones?  

How about the extensive overuse of crop spraying on vegetables grown in Thailand. What a choice!

Could not agree more. Very difficult to eat healthy in Thailand.

[bendejo]

Unfortunately my digestive system can no longer handle red meat.  Don't think I don't miss it.  Even if I had a lean 125g steak I would be rolling on the floor in pain the next day.  The stuff takes at least 3 days before it exits the other end, and in my case it will not be a fun time.  My main source of protein is poultry and seafood.  I have the perverse fantasy of if a doctor told me I had ten days to live I would survive them on bbq ribs, any kind of meats and desserts I want, and opioids to ease the pain.  Oh, and Cialis! 

 

When I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and had to learn how to control it, within those first six months I probably ate more vegetables than I had in all the previous years of my adult life.

For you guys who are able to eat meat (bas-tards all!) my advice is to learn about adding fiber to your intake.  Hint: a few digestive biscuits with the morning coffee doesn't cut it.  The old saying about an apple a day is more valid than you might think; at Tesco I've bought some good ones imported from Oz, NZ and S. Africa.  The US apples seem to be improving from their "tree-grown potatoes" reputation, just avoid the "Delicious" variety.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 hours ago, sirineou said:

try and source wild caught salmon in Thailand.  I was at Tops market in Khon Kaen a couple of months ago and asked if the salmon was wild caught (wife did)  the answer was YES!

BS by the color and fat content I knew it was farm raised.   

 

Hate it when the store staff lie to my face about health/nutrition stuff like that...

 

But the one thing I'm never quite sure of is...

 

1. are they lying deliberately, despite knowing the truth, or

 

2. are they lying out of ignorance and stupidity....

 

I tend to lean toward guessing it's #2.

[madmen]

Unfortunately my digestive system can no longer handle red meat.  Don't think I don't miss it.  Even if I had a lean 125g steak I would be rolling on the floor in pain the next day.  The stuff takes at least 3 days before it exits the other end, and in my case it will not be a fun time.  My main source of protein is poultry and seafood.  I have the perverse fantasy of if a doctor told me I had ten days to live I would survive them on bbq ribs, any kind of meats and desserts I want, and opioids to ease the pain.  Oh, and Cialis!  [emoji3]
 
When I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and had to learn how to control it, within those first six months I probably ate more vegetables than I had in all the previous years of my adult life.
For you guys who are able to eat meat (bas-tards all!) my advice is to learn about adding fiber to your intake.  Hint: a few digestive biscuits with the morning coffee doesn't cut it.  The old saying about an apple a day is more valid than you might think; at Tesco I've bought some good ones imported from Oz, NZ and S. Africa.  The US apples seem to be improving from their "tree-grown potatoes" reputation, just avoid the "Delicious" variety.
 
 

I don't get it. A keto diet with very little carbs would stop insulin spikes. You have gone the other way and chosen carbs. Google it

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, sirineou said:

That's why I said "mostly" ,

the nutritional benefits outweigh the small amount of remailing Lectins, according to most nutritional experts. 

 

That does indeed appear to be the case. The following article, which appears well-researched and with citations for all its points, argues that the potential negative effects of lentils can largely be eliminated thru the combination of pre-soaking overnight and then the cooking process. Which makes them a very healthy and nutritious food staple.

 

I'm not quoting all the positive info about lentils, because the quoted part would then get too long and incur the fair use wrath of some moderator. So suffice to say, all the benefits are explained in the full article. The quotes below then focus on the potential negatives some here have raised.

 

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/lentils

 

 

Quote

 

Lectins can resist digestion and bind to other nutrients, preventing their absorption.

Furthermore, lectins can bind to carbs on the gut wall. If they’re consumed in excess, they may disturb the gut barrier and increase intestinal permeability, a condition also known as leaky gut (21Trusted Source).

...

If you’re trying to minimize the number of lectins in your diet, try soaking lentils overnight and discard the water before cooking.

 

 

Quote

 

SUMMARY

Lentils contain antinutrients such as trypsin inhibitors and phytic acid, which reduce the absorption of some nutrients. Soaking and cooking lentils will minimize these, but regardless, you will still absorb the majority of your nutrients.

 

 

[balo]

6 hours ago, trd said:

can show you an extensive study showing a correlation in the increase in cancer due to a decrease in the consumption of red meat

Sure you can , so all this information about cancer and red meat is just fake news ?

 

"Meat and cancer. ... The World Health Organization has classified processed meats – including ham, salami, bacon and frankfurts – as a Group 1 carcinogen which means that there is strong evidence that processed meats cause cancer. Red meat, such as beef, lamb and pork has been classified as a 'probable' cause of cancer."

 

https://www.cancercouncil.com.au/21639/cancer-prevention/diet-exercise/nutrition-diet/fruit-vegetables/meat-and-cancer/

 

[faraday]

7 hours ago, madmen said:

I think you meant lamb where NZ is world class. I would dump steak and survive on little butterfly lamb chops but they are expensive

NZ lamb.....my gawd I do miss it.

Welsh lamb was ok, but NZ....*salivates*

 

Is it possible to buy decent lamb here?

 

 

Anyway, back on the main point of discussion.

 

If we weren't meant - in fact designed to eat meat, then why do were have Canine teeth?

 

Vegetarians et al, seem to get so fanatical about their diet, to the point of being sanctimonious. Dunno why.

Maybe, in many cases - but not all, it's about being different....?

 

* cat, pigeons etc*

 

[canuckamuck]

9 hours ago, sirineou said:

Cars are feed cows milk, they don't go out and get it on their own.

You meant cats, right? 

Imagine if cats (Or any other mammal) had evolved the ability to operate a dairy.

Other animals don't what humans do because they are dumb and lacking in managerial skills.

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[Deerculler]

Unfortunately my digestive system can no longer handle red meat.  Don't think I don't miss it.  Even if I had a lean 125g steak I would be rolling on the floor in pain the next day.  The stuff takes at least 3 days before it exits the other end, and in my case it will not be a fun time.  My main source of protein is poultry and seafood.  I have the perverse fantasy of if a doctor told me I had ten days to live I would survive them on bbq ribs, any kind of meats and desserts I want, and opioids to ease the pain.  Oh, and Cialis! 
 
When I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes and had to learn how to control it, within those first six months I probably ate more vegetables than I had in all the previous years of my adult life.
For you guys who are able to eat meat (bas-tards all!) my advice is to learn about adding fiber to your intake.  Hint: a few digestive biscuits with the morning coffee doesn't cut it.  The old saying about an apple a day is more valid than you might think; at Tesco I've bought some good ones imported from Oz, NZ and S. Africa.  The US apples seem to be improving from their "tree-grown potatoes" reputation, just avoid the "Delicious" variety.
 
 

Royal Gala apples from NZ are the best.


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[NightSky]

21 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It is quite difficult to convince a meat eater, to reduce consumption, or even to try alternative forms of protein occasionally. Some just do not want to hear it. The environmental footprint seems like nonsense to them, and the methane component even more nonsense.

 

Personally, I think one of the most important, and often overlooked components in a healthy diet is the quality of fat. Cooking oil. If you are going to cook, with oil, which most people do, use a healthy oil, with a high flash point, to avoid unnecessary saturated fat. The only four healthy cooking oils available here are rice bran oil, sunflower oil, olive oil and coconut oil. For my taste coconut and olive color the flavor of the food too much. So, I use mostly rice bran, which tastes great with just about anything, has a very high flash point, and is inexpensive.

 

99% of Thais use really toxic oil like soybean, cottonseed, or palm oil. There is alot of debate over canola oil, but I avoid it. Too much points toward it not being healthy when heated. The terrible three listed above are incredibly unhealthy, cause a slow death, high cholesterol, heart issues, blood issues and circulatory issues to say the least. Avoid them like the bubonic plague. Of course when eating out we do not have much of a choice. But, when dining at home, do yourself and your body a big favor, and get the wife to use high quality oils. 

 Very interesting about the cooking oils, I also like the rice bran oil however I thought olive oil had a low flash point.

[trd]

Sure you can , so all this information about cancer and red meat is just fake news ?
 
"Meat and cancer. ... The World Health Organization has classified processed meats – including ham, salami, bacon and frankfurts – as a Group 1 carcinogen which means that there is strong evidence that processed meats cause cancer. Red meat, such as beef, lamb and pork has been classified as a 'probable' cause of cancer."
 
https://www.cancercouncil.com.au/21639/cancer-prevention/diet-exercise/nutrition-diet/fruit-vegetables/meat-and-cancer/
 

You need to do more research and widen your horizons. You also need to understand what an epidemiological study is and how innaccurate it is. You also need to understand the exact mathematics of what constitutes a risk because in many of these epidemiological studies the risk is so tiny it is irrelevant, but the numbers lead you to believe that there is something significant there. You also need to understand where the funding comes from for the various studies so for instance studies that show that a vegan diet is more healthy, if you look into it you will often find funding coming from that particular industry for the so-called nutritional doctors who promote it. And finally you shouldn't just automatically believe something because it has the WHO stamp on it.

[Deerculler]

I have already mentioned that you can buy NZ lamb at Macro.

Leg,boned shoulder and chops.

I recommend the boned shoulder.

[NightSky]

10 hours ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

What is this crap? There's literally NO connection between unprocessed meat and health issues - the only health issues studies find are from processed meat. Dairy however is linked to cancer, and nightshades (tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant) mess up your gut. Some legumes are bad for you too.

 

Wish beef was cheaper and more readily available in Thailand... I miss a good steak.

Makro began stocking fantastic imported beef at a low price for the past month or so. Between 145-165 baht for a nice piece of rump 300grams (its enough for two generous portions.)

[Deerculler]

Thank you Knightsky. 

I will try the Rice Bran oil.

I like Safflower but cannot find it here in Thailand.

[spidermike007]

39 minutes ago, NightSky said:

 Very interesting about the cooking oils, I also like the rice bran oil however I thought olive oil had a low flash point.

Olive oil is a very healthy choice. Ignore the part that says vegetable oil. It is nonsense. Otherwise the chart is fine, except it ignores sunflower oil, which is readily available here, and rice bran oil, which is very hard to find outside of Thailand. 

[Naamblar2014]

On 6/15/2019 at 9:44 AM, connda said:

Cow farts kill!!!  Get rid of your pets too!

You raise an interesting point in a kinda reverse fashion.  I tend to think why not treat all animals like our pets?  why kill one to feed the other.?

[madmen]

9 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Olive oil is a very healthy choice. Ignore the part that says vegetable oil. It is nonsense. Otherwise the chart is fine, except it ignores sunflower oil, which is readily available here, and rice bran oil, which is very hard to find outside of Thailand. 

Olive oil a higher smoke point than lard and coconut oil? doesn't look right

[Naamblar2014]

17 hours ago, Deerculler said:

Who ever wrote is talking a lot of crap.

The biggest problem on the planet is man himself.

It has got nothing to do with eating meat.

If you mean the problem is man himself because he is breeding into existence all the animals for the meat industry. If you mean that about 70 billion animals each year are slaughtered for that industry and if you mean that most of the crops grown are to feed all those animals,  while people are starving,  just so you can eat a steak,  then yes the problem is man himself.

[trd]

You raise an interesting point in a kinda reverse fashion.  I tend to think why not treat all animals like our pets?  why kill one to feed the other.?

There is no life without death. At any one time, one half of the jungle is eating the other half of the jungle. It's called nature.

[Naamblar2014]

17 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

They might also want to note that the space, water, fertilizers etc needed to grow all the extra vegetation stuff will mean destroying a lot more forests and the wilderness too... just look at the horrific effect of the palm oil industry has had on the rainforests in Asia for example. 

True, the palm oil industry has had serious impact,  but pales in comparison to animal agriculture.  The majority of grain crops grown go to feeding the animal agriculture industry.

 

[Naamblar2014]

14 hours ago, monkeycu said:

Come to my place after I eat lentil soup, I dare you 

Why ????

[Naamblar2014]

13 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Why is eating meat a filthy habit? 

Genuine question.

 

If we are talking facts then homo sapiens began sapien after eating animals.  It provided the much needed protein for the brain to increase massively in size. 

 

But some people missed out it would seem. 

Here are some interesting points if you have 10 minutes.