Johnson warns EU against any 'Napoleonic' tariffs in no-deal Brexit

[Vacuum]

How did UK managed before the 'invention of EU'?

[evadgib]

4 minutes ago, petemoss said:

Correct. It was agreed between the British government and the EU. Deal done.

The Mogg has persistently pointed out that under our constitution a PM cannot be bound by any commitment made by an immediate predecessor.

Edited June 27, 2019 by evadgib

[petemoss]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

The Mogg has persistently pointed out that under our constitution a PM cannot be bound by any commitment made by an immediate predecessor.

It would come under the jurisdiction of EU law not British law (we don't have a constitution unless you consider Magna Carta)

[evadgib]

1 minute ago, petemoss said:

It would come under the jurisdiction of EU law not British law (we don't have a constitution unless you consider Magna Carta)

The Mogg explains it far better than me ????

[Kwasaki]

19 hours ago, jak2002003 said:

And what are the goods the EU will want from the UK, that they can't get from any other country?  I don't think we make much anymore do we?

Even with brexit there are some that just get on with it.

Our latest UK annual report, Tech Nation 2019 with data from Companies House, GitHub, StreetBees, DealRoom and PitchBook and in association with the World Economic Forum, shows that the UK is punching well above its weight internationally.

[luckyluke]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

under our constitution a PM cannot be bound by any commitment made by an immediate predecessor.

Does that mean that  the successor of Mr. Johnson (assuming he becomes P. M.) can eventually withdraw the decisions made by Mr. Johnson; and so further on. 

 

[Loiner]

13 minutes ago, petemoss said:

Correct. It was agreed between the British government and the EU. Deal done.

Incorrect, it was only 'agreed' between an EU collaborator and the EU. It's been kicked out of parliament three times and is now dead and buried. No Deal done and we're on our way to 31st Oct the final extension.

[Rimmer]

More off topic bickering baiting and name calling removed

[JonnyF]

53 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Some of the finest legal minds in the country say there is no legal obligation to pay a penny.

So did Gunther Oetthinger, the EU budget chief. But the TV Remainers know more than him apparently.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1140103/Brexit-news-UK-EU-Brexit-bill-budget-Boris-Johnson-next-prime-minister-update

 

 

 

[SheungWan]

How did UK managed before the 'invention of EU'?

I feel a nostalgia attack coming on.

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[evadgib]

6 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Does that mean that  the successor of Mr. Johnson (assuming he becomes P. M.) can eventually withdraw the decisions made by Mr. Johnson; and so further on. 

 

Fine details will be found in his Moggcasts and/or in his LBC phone-ins.

[luckyluke]

I am sorry, being Belgian, I not understand English Humor, assuming your answer is. 

 

My question is out of curiosity, as I don't know anything about U.K. laws and regulations. 

Edited June 27, 2019 by luckyluke

[JonnyF]

28 minutes ago, petemoss said:

Correct. It was agreed between the British government and the EU. Deal done.

Parliament rejected the deal. The 39 Billion was part of the deal. Deal undone.

 

Gunther Oettinger (EU budget chief) confirmed they cannot force us to pay.

 

Next. 

 

[evadgib]

1 minute ago, luckyluke said:

I am sorry, being Belgian, I not understand English Humor, assuming your answer is. 

Sincere apologies. Jacob Rees-Mogg produces fortnightly Moggcasts (30 min interviews) and appears regularly on LBC radio station in UK.

[malagateddy]

Correct. It was agreed between the British government and the EU. Deal done.

Agreement is 1 thing..legally signed document another.

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[luckyluke]

Thanks, but I am not wiser. 

Anyway not that important. 

Will see. 

[stephenterry]

1 hour ago, petemoss said:

Correct. It was agreed between the British government and the EU. Deal done.

It does appear that the final ratification of the WAG needs to be passed by parliament, to complete the EU withdrawal bill 2018 legal process, which transfers EU law into UK law.

 

If it does not pass through parliament the terms and conditions negotiated to date are unresolved. In theory, if parliament lets through a no-deal, Britain is not legally liable to make any divorce payment, but I would suggest the UK government would honour their current committments. 

 

The goverment would also be overwhelmed by the mulitudes of legal processes outstanding which, IMO, makes the whole Brexit process totally unmanageable without some form of negotiated agreement going forward. In other words the UK cannot just leave and be shot of any committments to the EU.

 

Count on another three years of haggling...

[welovesundaysatspace]

58 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Parliament rejected the deal. The 39 Billion was part of the deal. Deal undone.

 

Gunther Oettinger (EU budget chief) confirmed they cannot force us to pay.

 

Next. 

 

Why would anyone want to call the courts and start a lengthy and costly process anyways, when you can just sit back and wait?

[puipuitom]

21 hours ago, billd766 said:

It is however a 2 way trade. If the EU wishes to put high tariffs on goods imported from the EU there will be nothing stopping the UK doing the same.

For every country for which the EU did not make an agreement, the so-called Third Counteries", have the same tariffs, see https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/taric_consultation.jsp?Lang=en. When the UK wants to leave with a no deal, all know already since the beginning, what would happen.

If the UK wants to use the same WTO tariffs.. so ? what changes ?

Only: a LOT of products the UK imports from the EU, it is not so easy to find a suitable replacement, while what comes from the UK, a LOT is produced in the EU too, but.. might not fit so well.

During the last years of the Napoleon Bonaparte era there was a complete blockade of all British goods. That's "slightly" different as a 5-15 % import duty. Shows again the very limited knowledge of this man.

So, bye bye, live under WTO rules as you Brits - with an overwhelming landslide majority of 51,88% -  see at the indefinite glory.

Edited June 27, 2019 by puipuitom

[mrfill]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

Does that mean that  the successor of Mr. Johnson (assuming he becomes P. M.) can eventually withdraw the decisions made by Mr. Johnson; and so further on. 

 

If Johnson makes wild and unachievable promises (as he does) as PM, his successor would not have to implement any. At the moment both candidates are involved in a willy-waving contest which is entirely phony. It is only to tempt the small number of ancient Conservative party members (< 150000) who get to select the winner.  Many impossible promises are being made and it is likely that the biggest liar will win. And that's only the start of the problem as then negotiations for deals will start and, having been shown to be slippery, devious liars, countries may come to the table forewarned, knowing how desperately a deal is needed. What could possibly go wrong?

[CG1 Blue]

4 hours ago, petemoss said:

Does this buffoon realise that the EU negotiators will read every word of this?

 

So the EU will agree to a new deal despite them having very publicly declared that there will be no more negotiations. Basically calling them liars.

 

So there are technical fixes to prevent a hard border despite the EU saying that the technical fixes are at least 5 years away from being a reality. Calling those EU mandarins liars again?

 

So Britain could retain a tarriff free trade without a customs union despite being told that it's impossible by both the EU and the governor of the BoE. Calling people liars again.

 

“I think it would be very bizarre if the EU should decide on their own... if they decided to impose tariffs on goods coming from the UK it would be... a return to Napoleon’s continental system,”  Oh, the EU negotiators will love that line! Particularly the French ones.

 

He couldn't have got the backs up of the negotiators any more if he'd tried. Doesn't he realise that he'll be going cap in hand to them not the other way round?

 

He's either arrogant in the extreme or ignorant in the extreme, or both. One thing's for certain, he's no diplomat.

 

Boris, you're having a laugh........which is all you're fit for.

 

 

EU representatives have said much worse, and have often been disrespectful and dismissive of the UK. 

 

Theresa the appeaser went to them cap in hand, and what did that get us? An agenda set by the EU, with trade negotiations not allowed until after we've signed a withdrawal agreement. A withdrawal agreement heavily favouring the EU, plus a highly dubious £39bn exit bill.  

 

I don't want another appeaser in charge of the UK for this next stage. 

 

[grumpy 4680]

1 hour ago, malagateddy said:

Esoecially the eu's friend Olly

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Then, just another of May's mistakes, Pro or Anti, they did a poor job

[stephenterry]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

EU representatives have said much worse, and have often been disrespectful and dismissive of the UK. 

 

Theresa the appeaser went to them cap in hand, and what did that get us? An agenda set by the EU, with trade negotiations not allowed until after we've signed a withdrawal agreement. A withdrawal agreement heavily favouring the EU, plus a highly dubious £39bn exit bill.  

 

I don't want another appeaser in charge of the UK for this next stage. 

 

Quite right. We need a PM who has sufficient gravitus and a grasp of the immense difficulties that would arise in this role. Unfortunately, Boris will be found out to be left wanting...  

[puipuitom]

7 hours ago, BritManToo said:

That's what they were saying in 1940 (and 1917), but they still lost.

Thanks to the USA and the Soviet Union... 

[Small Joke]

Everyone in charge almost everywhere off their naffing rockers.

Beggars belief as we approach the end of the first quarter century.

[geoffbezoz]

And BJ should also be concerned about this latest report from Japan

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48783525

[grumpy 4680]

     Someone mentioned going back to the 30s and the days of Mosely, What utter Rubbish from a remainer, The British voted out because because they were sick of of all the EU mandates, turning Britain into a puppet of a federal scheme to change Europe, 

[vogie]

20 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Thanks to the USA and the Soviet Union... 

That is very disrespectfull to all our families who lost loved ones, shame on you.

[CG1 Blue]

23 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

28 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

EU representatives have said much worse, and have often been disrespectful and dismissive of the UK. 

 

Theresa the appeaser went to them cap in hand, and what did that get us? An agenda set by the EU, with trade negotiations not allowed until after we've signed a withdrawal agreement. A withdrawal agreement heavily favouring the EU, plus a highly dubious £39bn exit bill.  

 

I don't want another appeaser in charge of the UK for this next stage. 

 

Quite right. We need a PM who has sufficient gravitus and a grasp of the immense difficulties that would arise in this role. Unfortunately, Boris will be found out to be left wanting...  

I do have my own reservations about Boris.  My hope is that he appoints smart people around him; people who are determined to deliver Brexit. May was too obsessed with having a balanced cabinet.  Boris will presumably have a Brexit cabinet.  And he'll be a kind of rallying figurehead (making the occasional gaff of course ????)

[grumpy 4680]

16 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Thanks to the USA and the Soviet Union... 

    Don't forget it was a World War, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India etc, etc. etc.

 

46 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Since when do Brexiteers give a damn about the constitution?

    When they are more concerned about Britain.