BritManToo Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Just now, nauseus said: Terms not specified - that is the reality - no spin. T's and c's weren't openly detailed when we voted into this mess either. Why do they have to be now? Because he doesn't want to leave and won't admit he cares nothing for democracy, just what he wants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Just now, SheungWan said: Deciding upon something is not the same thing as implementing it and thereby hangs the problem. And that is why we have a Parliament. Parliament is the problem, they havent implemented what the electorate voted for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnyo Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 The referendum was not about a deal. It was about leaving. Twist the tale how you like but the bypassing of democracy has been the favourite pastime of remainers, not leavers, for the last 3 years. The UK is still in the EU because of Brexiteers not remainers. Blame the ERG who by the way as usual are hiding in the shadows and did not put one of their big mouths as a candidate for PM because they know they will be ousted for what they are, cheap second hand car salesman and charlatans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 No, its not "a lie" The question was Leave or stay . Leave half way (with a deal) wasnt an option It is false from beginning to end to say that the referendum specified no-deal. No-deal is one option and right now neither specified in the referendum or commanding a majority in Parliament notwithstanding Hard Brexiteer tantrums.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, sanemax said: Parliament is the problem, they havent implemented what the electorate voted for they will not, it's not convenient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Terms not specified - that is the reality - no spin. T's and c's weren't openly detailed when we voted into this mess either. Why do they have to be now? Terms and conditions the responsibility of Parliament. Nowhere else.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Johnyo said: The UK is still in the EU because of Brexiteers not remainers. Blame the ERG who by the way as usual are hiding in the shadows and did not put one of their big mouths as a candidate for PM because they know they will be ousted for what they are, cheap second hand car salesman and charlatans. Rubbish. The UK is still in the EU because of a remain sympathetic PM and cabinet for the last 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, SheungWan said: Terms and conditions the responsibility of Parliament. Nowhere else. Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Not when a referendum is involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 33 minutes ago, nauseus said: It was a British referendum. About leaving yes or not the E.U., so extremely important as well for the E.U.. We have different opinions; I can live with that, do you? Or will you pretend that your opinion is the only correct one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Parliament is the problem, they havent implemented what the electorate voted for The electorate did not vote for no-deal. But yes, for the Hard Brexiteers Parliament is more than a problem. It is an obstacle. Long may it remain so Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Just now, SheungWan said: The electorate did not vote for no-deal. But yes, for the Hard Brexiteers Parliament is more than a problem. It is an obstacle. Long may it remain so Yes, the electorate did indeed vote to leave the EU , leave as in leave . Its the remainers who have moved the goalposts and are trying to get a deal in in order to remain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Rubbish. The UK is still in the EU because of a remain sympathetic PM and cabinet for the last 3 years.Alternative terms of leaving including no-deal have all been voted down by Parliament. Hard Brexiteers have no alternative solution on the table right now other than in their dreams Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 3 minutes ago, SheungWan said: The electorate did not vote for no-deal. But yes, for the Hard Brexiteers Parliament is more than a problem. It is an obstacle. Long may it remain so Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app No deal was not on the ballot paper, only leave or remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Leab Yes, the electorate did indeed vote to leave the EU , leave as in leave . Its the remainers who have moved the goalposts and are trying to get a deal in in order to remain Leave as in leave does not = no-deal, but hey! Spin away.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 No deal was not on the ballot paper, only leave or remain.And no deal does not = no-deal.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, SheungWan said: Leab Leave as in leave does not = no-deal, but hey! Spin away. Leave means leave completely . That was the questioned asked . "Sort of leave" "Leave a bit" wasnt the question asked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 The trouble for the Hard Brexiteers is that they are too shy to say how they are going to push their no-deal through. No majority in Parliament, so how?Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Leave means leave completely . That was the questioned asked . "Sort of leave" "Leave a bit" wasnt the question asked Leaving completely does not specify no-deal. It is one interpretation.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 8 minutes ago, sanemax said: Yes, the electorate did indeed vote to leave the EU , leave as in leave . Its the remainers who have moved the goalposts and are trying to get a deal in in order to remain So do you want to leave with no deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, SheungWan said: The trouble for the Hard Brexiteers is that they are too shy to say how they are going to push their no-deal through. No majority in Parliament, so how? New elections , get all those treacherous Politicians out and replaced by Politicians who do what they have been told to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 5 minutes ago, SheungWan said: And no deal does not = no-deal. Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app What does it equal then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 So when are the Hard,Brexiteers going to tell us how they are going to push their no-deal through other than fantasy pitchforks?Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Just now, bannork said: So do you want to leave with no deal? Yes , main reason being , just to p*ss off all the remainers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 What does it equal then?Whatever Parliament decides Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheungWan Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Yes , main reason being , just to p*ss off all the remainers Wishing is not a strategy.Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user68677878 Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 Everything about Boris is made to look accidental, from his speeches and his opinions to his policies and his hair. He could be mistaken for any number of characters played by John Cleese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 1 minute ago, SheungWan said: Whatever Parliament decides Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Parliament decided by triggering art 50 to leave with a deal or no deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petemoss Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 35 minutes ago, SheungWan said: Unfortunately, the referendum did not specify the terms of leaving. Spinning that reality into referendum = no-deal is a fake pass. Repeating the lie is the Hard Brexiteer broken record. No sale. Sent from my SM-N935F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app The terms of leaving weren't specified on the ballot paper but the Brexit team certainly did specify them to the public before the vote. They promised an easy Brexit on terms that would be financially beneficial to the UK. A major broken promise if we are taken down the road of a no deal Brexit by a prime minister that wasn't elected by us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petemoss Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 30 minutes ago, Johnyo said: The UK is still in the EU because of Brexiteers not remainers. Blame the ERG who by the way as usual are hiding in the shadows and did not put one of their big mouths as a candidate for PM because they know they will be ousted for what they are, cheap second hand car salesman and charlatans. Do you really think that Boris and Gove aren't in the ERG? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 23 minutes ago, bannork said: So do you want to leave with no deal? Of course not, but at the moment this is the best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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