Johnson warns EU against any 'Napoleonic' tariffs in no-deal Brexit

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, Henryford said:

Put a 100% tariff on all EUSSR cars and wine. See how they like that.

That would also mean putting a 100% tariff on most, if not all, other cars imported into the UK.

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

I thought it was as you asked the question 

 

quote " On 6/29/2019 at 6:47 PM, stevenl said:
Are you one of the many who said the Scottish question should also be asked to other UK countries?"

Ok, again: is he one of the people who said the question of Scottish independence should also be asked to other UK countries? 

[Johnyo]

Put a 100% tariff on all EUSSR cars and wine. See how they like that.

A life of Vauxhall cars ah no wait like everything else we no longer own any of our brands. Not so sure about British Rioja.


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[Jip99]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

That doesn't say how to leave, i.e with what conditions. It's akin to asking a couple if they want to split up without any idea of who gets what. And when one partner feels 52% for to 48% against splitting up, I wager that partner would want to know what he/she would get if they called it a day.

A dumb referendum question.

 

 

That is as maybe..... but it was the question nonetheless.

[bannork]

1 minute ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

That is as maybe..... but it was the question nonetheless.

A nation should not be held hostage to an unsophisticated question that offered no clear way forward if the answer was yes. 

[nontabury]

36 minutes ago, petemoss said:

According to recent polls most people do not now want to leave the EU which is why Brexiteers are terrified of a second referendum. You must also remember that a lot less than 50% of the electorate actually voted to leave. Many remainers didn't vote as they assumed that as they had consistently led in the polls it would be an easy victory for remain.

 

The EU spent 3 years discussing the terms of our departure and agreed terms with the UK negotiation team. They have understandably said "Enough is enough" and there will be no more negotiations.

 

That leaves 3 choices, accept the negotiated agreement, which neither Parliament, hard core Brexiteers nor the majority of Brits want, leave without a deal, which parliament, the EU and the British people don't want, or remain, which the EU want, the British people want,  and if they were being honest, the majority of MPs want.

 

Given that, where do you think we'll end up?

 

 

 

 “Most people do not want to leave this so called Union” where do you get this fact from? What you should have said is,in your closed mind opinion.

The reality here in the U.K is that most people are becoming increasingly more anti E.u. But again that’s just my observation and opinion.

 

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, nontabury said:

 

 “Most people do not want to leave this so called Union” where do you get this fact from? What you should have said is,in your closed mind opinion.

The reality here in the U.K is that most people are becoming increasingly more anti E.u. But again that’s just my observation and opinion.

 

Well, he is stating that his opinion is based on 'most recent polls', whereas the poster he was reacting to and yourself are basing their opinion on 'my observation'. And then accusing others of having a closed mind? Sad.

[vogie]

7 minutes ago, bannork said:

A nation should not be held hostage to an unsophisticated question that offered no clear way forward if the answer was yes. 

The nation is being held hostage by remainers, not an unsophisticated question. The question was quite straight forward really.

[Jip99]

36 minutes ago, bannork said:

A nation should not be held hostage to an unsophisticated question that offered no clear way forward if the answer was yes. 

 

 

Sometimes you you have to have faith in politicians to have that way forward.

 

Like in 1973 when we went into the EEC and everyone was told that the clear forward was to become one of 28 countries in an enlarged EU.

 

Do you mean a clear plan like that ?

 

Yes or No looks crystal clear by comparison.

[SheungWan]

 
 
Sometimes you you have to have faith in politicians to have that way forward.
 
Like in 1973 when we went into the EEC and everyone was told that the clear forward was to become one of 28 countries in an enlarged EU.
 
Do you mean a clear plan like that ?
 
Yes or No looks crystal clear by comparison.

Well it might be if the question was still yes or no, but since the Hard Brexiteers want to hijack Leave to = no-deal, that crystal clear is nothing of the sort

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[SheungWan]

No need for any kind of deal then. No Deal is actually what was envisaged all along.
The traitorous WAG surrender treaty is something the EU and Remainers made up afterwards.

WAG as in wives and girlfriends?

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[SheungWan]

Yes, I especially find the consistent blaming of every one else astounding.

You shouldn't be. Its an essential element of the populist conspiracy theory playbook.

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[SheungWan]

You are one of these that are including babies, children and under 18s, oh and lets not forget the people who just couldn't be bothered to vote. If we say that 52% voted to leave and 48% voted to remain we will know where we stand with each other, let's not spin numbers eh.
 
The rest of your post is all speculation, 'only leavers lied,' of course the remainers are as pure as the driven snow.
 
Here is a recent poll that refutes your claim.
 

No-deal 28%. That's worse than the recent Euro election. No?

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[Loiner]

Sorry stephenterry but our exit is the best for Britain, which is why we voted for it. That we have not left is very definitely due to subterfuge of the EU and Remainers.
The democratic majority of parliament voted to invoke article 50 then voted for and enacted the Withdrawal Act. They have already sanctioned it, without any hint of a ‘deal’ or whatever you want to call the WAG. Not that any govt produced reports are without their own bias and spin, but the legal report on the WAG when weaselled out of them showed that to be a very bad arrangement for Britain. We must Leave ‘No Deal’, then we talk about trade deals without any hands tied behind our back.
It’s nothing to do with saving face. It’s because after the referendum it’s the right thing to do.


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[Loiner]

Yes, I especially find the consistent blaming of every one else astounding.

Not blaming everyone else, only the Remainers and EU. That’s where the blame lies.

[CG1 Blue]

On 6/29/2019 at 12:55 AM, dick dasterdly said:

"The last one started in 2014 and it ends in 2020. So, when Britain leaves the EU—tentatively set for March, 2019—it will still be liable to pay its share for the remaining seven quarters—from April 2019 until the end of 2020."

 

I agree that this is reasonable, but seven quarters of the annual net contribution to the eu does not equal 39bn!

Yes, funny how remainers continually tell us that the UK contribution to the EU budget was exaggerated during the referendum, and yet they seem comfortable with the divorce bill being 39bn for 7 quarters! That works out at roughly £23bn per year.  

Edited June 30, 2019 by CG1 Blue

[CG1 Blue]

42 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

2 hours ago, vogie said:

No-deal 28%. That's worse than the recent Euro election. No?

The key point is that 57% want us out of the EU according to this poll. Despite the anti-Brexit media and big business efforts to scare us into changing our minds, the majority still want out.  

[bannork]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

The nation is being held hostage by remainers, not an unsophisticated question. The question was quite straight forward really.

It's easy to make a question, much harder to answer.

As seen from the recent poll quoted a few posts back, there are those who prefer a soft Brexit, those who prefer a May Brexit, and then those who prefer a hard Brexit.

And of course those who want no Brexit at all.

The question was quite straightforward, unfortunately the answer could never have been so.

 

[CG1 Blue]

15 minutes ago, bannork said:

It's easy to make a question, much harder to answer.

As seen from the recent poll quoted a few posts back, there are those who prefer a soft Brexit, those who prefer a May Brexit, and then those who prefer a hard Brexit.

And of course those who want no Brexit at all.

The question was quite straightforward, unfortunately the answer could never have been so.

 

The question of IF we should leave the EU has been answered, and is still evident in that poll (57%).  So if there is a 2nd referendum it should only be about HOW we leave. 

[Chomper Higgot]

48 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Not blaming everyone else, only the Remainers and EU. That’s where the blame lies.

Not blaming anyone else.... but ... but .. blame the Remainers. 

 

Comedy gold. 

[vogie]

16 minutes ago, bannork said:

It's easy to make a question, much harder to answer.

As seen from the recent poll quoted a few posts back, there are those who prefer a soft Brexit, those who prefer a May Brexit, and then those who prefer a hard Brexit.

And of course those who want no Brexit at all.

The question was quite straightforward, unfortunately the answer could never have been so.

 

A soft brexit is an invention by remainers, there is no such thing, a bit like being a bit pregnant really. Same with hard brexit, no such thing, there is only leave or remain, anything else is remain with knobs on.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

You are one of these that are including babies, children and under 18s, oh and lets not forget the people who just couldn't be bothered to vote. If we say that 52% voted to leave and 48% voted to remain we will know where we stand with each other, let's not spin numbers eh.

 

The rest of your post is all speculation, 'only leavers lied,' of course the remainers are as pure as the driven snow.

 

Here is a recent poll that refutes your claim.

 

So 72% don't want the Brexit with No-Deal that Johnson and Brexit zealots are peddling. 

 

Good luck what that. 

[bannork]

3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The question of IF we should leave the EU has been answered, and is still evident in that poll (57%).  So if there is a 2nd referendum it should only be about HOW we leave. 

So set up the referendum, how do we leave? Presumably all the Remainers will vote for the soft Brexit, softer than May's, so that's the winner, 59%.

We could include May's option too, making a total of 72%. 

 

 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So 72% don't want the Brexit with No-Deal that Johnson and Brexit zealots are peddling. 

 

Good luck what that. 

I don't believe that people that try to implement a democratic decision are zealots in any way.

[welovesundaysatspace]

33 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The key point is that 57% want us out of the EU according to this poll. Despite the anti-Brexit media and big business efforts to scare us into changing our minds, the majority still want out.  

Where do you read that in that chart? According to Brexiteers, neither May’s deal nor a soft Brexit actually mean Brexit; they say it is “leaving in name only”. Therefore, according to that chart, only 28% want to leave the EU. 

 

Otherwise, should I be wrong in my understanding that May’s deal or a soft Brexit are “leaving in name only”, then why don’t you go ahead with one of those options? 

 

Of course, you know perfectly well that there are people who want to leave the EU but only with a soft Brexit or under May’s deal, never without a deal. Intentionally misinterpreting numbers like that is a really poor attempt.  

 

 

 

Edited June 30, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[Loiner]

Not blaming anyone else.... but ... but .. blame the Remainers. 
 
Comedy gold. 

So the Remainers are everybody? Don’t think so.

[bannork]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

I don't believe that people that try to implement a democratic decision are zealots in any way.

What democratic decision was that?

There has never been a democratic decision on how to leave.

In fact the recent poll shows that people have very different ideas about what leaving really means.

[vogie]

Just now, bannork said:

What democratic decision was that?

There has never been a democratic decision on how to leave.

In fact the recent poll shows that people have very different ideas about what leaving really means.

I think you are 'over egging the pudding' on the definition of leave.

Leave means: "If you leave an institution, group, or job, you permanently stopattending that institution, being a member of that group, or doing that job."

It doesn't say you permanently leave but go back in on a Saturday morning to make the tea.

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

I think you are 'over egging the pudding' on the definition of leave.

Leave means: "If you leave an institution, group, or job, you permanently stopattending that institution, being a member of that group, or doing that job."

It doesn't say you permanently leave but go back in on a Saturday morning to make the tea.

May’s deal or customs union are delivering that. Yet Brexiteers are stopping it. Why are Brexiteers trying to overturn the Democratic will of the people who want to leave? 

[bannork]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

I think you are 'over egging the pudding' on the definition of leave.

Leave means: "If you leave an institution, group, or job, you permanently stopattending that institution, being a member of that group, or doing that job."

It doesn't say you permanently leave but go back in on a Saturday morning to make the tea.

Well it seems the British public don't agree with your definition, the vast majority preferring a soft Brexit, May's or none at all.

It seems we can check out but never leave.

Here's a softer version, perhaps Theresa's favourite.