UK PM Johnson tells EU: ditch backstop or face no-deal Brexit

[Bluespunk]

6 hours ago, rooster59 said:

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson cautioned the European Union on Saturday that the "anti-democratic" Irish backstop must be ditched if they were to strike a Brexit divorce deal.

Tough luck johnson, the backstop is there and it stays. The govt of Eire will veto any deal that does not meet its concerns over the Good Friday Agreement. 

 

As to anti democratic- when do you intend to give the entire uk a vote on whether they want you as pm or not?

Edited July 28, 2019 by Bluespunk

[geoffbezoz]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Tough shit johnson, the backstop is there and it stays. The govt of Eire will veto any deal that does not meet its concerns over the Good Friday Agreement. 

 

As to anti democratic- when do you intend to give the entire uk a vote on whether they want you as pm or not?

Its just unfortunate that Labour has a leader more useless than Michael Foot. If it were not for that then the Tories would have folded by now.

[Mavideol]

6 hours ago, rooster59 said:

"My friends, I do not want a no-deal Brexit, that is not where we're aiming,

I thought parliament voted for not accepting a No Deal scenario, why he's repeating the same bs

[Jip99]

45 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

The EU is ready for a "appropriate trade deal".

But that deal does not include lots of cake and lots of cherries. Which part of that is so difficult to understand?

 

Nothing difficult at all....let’s get the bloody thing sorted out, without trimmings and icing sugar, and we can all get on with life. The markets will take of everything else.

[Almer]

He is another Trump promise the earth snd don't worry about delivering, there is no or little doubt that BJ will sell the NHS services to Trump in an American trade deal, then when Trump is pushed out Trump Hospital Services will take over, im trying to find how the letters fit together BJ NHS THS, help me please chaps.

[RickBradford]

Just now, Almer said:

He is another Trump promise the earth snd don't worry about delivering, there is no or little doubt that BJ will sell the NHS services to Trump in an American trade deal, then when Trump is pushed out Trump Hospital Services will take over, im trying to find how the letters fit together BJ NHS THS, help me please chaps.

I think it spells BULLSHIT.

[Loiner]

Nobody wanted the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty-BRINO-Deal. It's dead and gone and there is no other deal on the table.

EU says non! So it's Brexit on 31st October No Deal.

[stephenterry]

7 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Nobody wanted the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty-BRINO-Deal. It's dead and gone and there is no other deal on the table.

EU says non! So it's Brexit on 31st October No Deal.

Yeah, okay. You've repeated this boring mantra so many times - perhaps you're getting to believe it. Haven't you got anything worthwhile discussing, like expanding on the positives on what brexiteers consider could happen after the No deal exit - if it happens. 

 

It might freshen up the same old responses, as well. 

 

 

[Jai Dee]

A couple of troll posts have been removed.

[AGareth2]

30 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Tough luck johnson, the backstop is there and it stays. The govt of Eire will veto any deal that does not meet its concerns over the Good Friday Agreement. 

 

As to anti democratic- when do you intend to give the entire uk a vote on whether they want you as pm or not?

however

they cannot veto no deal

[Bluespunk]

Just now, AGareth2 said:

however

they cannot veto no deal

And where did I say they could?

[Loiner]

2 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Yeah, okay. You've repeated this boring mantra so many times - perhaps you're getting to believe it. Haven't you got anything worthwhile discussing, like expanding on the positives on what brexiteers consider could happen after the No deal exit - if it happens. 

 

It might freshen up the same old responses, as well. 

 

 

It needs repeating because you don't listen. You'll only believe it when it happens, but that's okay.

There's not a lot to discuss with rabid remainers who are brexitally bigoted. None of you will accept that there is another point of view.

[AGareth2]

33 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Tough luck johnson, the backstop is there and it stays.

not if we leave with "No Deal"

[Bluespunk]

5 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

not if we leave with "No Deal"

Yes, you said-the first time you quoted my post

 

I never mentioned anything about a no deal exit. 

 

Though I assume any trade deal you later try to negotiate with the eu will be subject to a veto by Eire... good luck with that

Edited July 28, 2019 by Bluespunk

[Caldera]

Finally Boris will be put to the test. I predict failure of epic proportions, but hey, I might be wrong.

[vogie]

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

It is not about face. 

That would be childish or Not?

The UK wants to quit. Good.

The UK will lose its previous access to the single market with all the consequences.

This also means clear border crossings and new tariffs and clearance procedures.

The EU's system is of course to protect domestic productions and ensure quality standards. That is existential.

Otherwise the EU could close there shop.

This principle is one of the pillars on which the EU is based. Why should the remaining 27 states abandon this principle unilaterally for the good of the UK and inflict themselves? That will never happen.

 

And again, a UK PM, now BJ, has positioned itself with its campaign retorik in a corner from which there is no way out except the crash down of all good relations.

 

with the result that it will come to a significant deterioration in the living conditions of all ordinary citizens. Quite apart from the geopolitical consequences.

 

And who advocates this "destructivemess"

with clapping hands for which it is, from my side no compliments.

 

Sorry that has nothing to do with responsible politics to the well of all EU citizens (including the UK).

That's kindergarten level.

 

The will to work out a common, realistic, long-term roadmap is not there at all.

 

The whole Brexit is so far characterized by short-term, propagandist election campaign and power games of a few.

 

What will be the best for the people in Europe ( UK included) in the long term, is out of interest. The fear of these short-term politicians that majorities change, is far too great.

 

The preparation of a reasonable Brexit plan with the least possible damage for all, is a long-term task, and not with populism in 3 months to create without serious damage.

 

 

 

 

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Again fine words butter no parsnips, you are over egging the pudding. If the idea of the EU is to cut one of its legs off so it can hop instead of walk, that is entirely up to them, but they will soon find it is easier to use both legs to get around.

We now have a new PM and if they are determined not to talk and indeed find a way out of this log jam it is up to them, you do understand that don't you. The UK can do nothing without the EU showing some common sense and agreeing to talk to our new PM, why do you have to over complicate matters, there are solutions to everything if you are prepared to look, but by burying their heads in the sand and pretending it's not going to happen will not help anyone.

Remarks like " the UK wants to quit, good" is the sort of attitude we are getting used to, it just bellows bitterness and sour grapes.

But lets hope our leaders, especially yours, start to act more mature and will find common ground which might lead to a break through, but I won't hold my breath, do not forget it is in both sides interest to sit down and talk.

[stephenterry]

For once, I'm going to deviate from the same old old all the time. It's clear that some posters on here are encamped in opposite corners and cannot see reason or reality in another's opinion.

 

From what I've read to date, Johnson emits a sense of energy to get things done. For me that's positive, although I don't agree with his stance of a no-deal scenario.

 

It's clear to me, that firstly  - one way or another, he will aim to force Brexit through because if parliament doesn't vote for it, most MPs would lose their fat salaries and expenses, if parliament is dissolved. Amazing  - ha ha - that money would be their main motivator.

 

Yes, he has to persuade the EU to put the backstop on a back-burner to be dealt with properly during the transitional period. That to me, is the simplest solution that would result in the 'WAG' being passed by parliament, maybe with another tweak or two.

 

And then he will call a GE while Corbyn is the opposition leader, and the Tories are bouncing back in favour of right wing policies, at the demise of Farage and the split vote between Labour and the Lib Dems - according to a new poll taken recently.    

 

When - and if  - he achieves that, expect the return of the death penalty and far-right policies pervading the UK. Makes me sick. But...

 

Best of luck with it...   

 

 

[Loiner]

3 hours ago, geoffbezoz said:

The leader of the house is Jacob Rees-Mogg  and it is the attorney general who provides legal government advice, not an extremist of the ERG clan

Yes it is:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1158696/brexit-latest-boris-johnson-geoffrey-cox-no-deal-law-parliament-macron-Merkel

 

[stephenterry]

14 minutes ago, Loiner said:

It needs repeating because you don't listen. You'll only believe it when it happens, but that's okay.

There's not a lot to discuss with rabid remainers who are brexitally bigoted. None of you will accept that there is another point of view.

Look in the mirror, Loiner.

[Opl]

8 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

not if we leave with "No Deal"

OK…. And if the UK leaves with "No-Deal" - and on the same occasion bypasses the payment  of the "Divorce bill" - how will there be a Trade Agreement between the UK and the EU to allow the UK  access to the EU Market ?   

[AGareth2]

12 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Though I assume any trade deal you later try to negotiate with the eu will be subject to a veto by Eire... good luck with that

not good in politics to make assumptions

[Loiner]

11 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Look in the mirror, Loiner.

Doing that now, I can see an alternative post-brexit UK and it's looking good. Fresh as a daisy for you.

 

[transam]

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

I've never read of a reasonable pro brexit argument from you. But thanks for your funny posts.

I have no argument, we leave, that's it.....

 

Though reading remainers stuff is at times entertaining in it's daftness....Please carry on, but to your brigade, try posting your stuff without "belittling" leavers..It's very tiresome and not worthy of folk who keep spouting how clever they are....

[Laughing Gravy]

44 minutes ago, Caldera said:

Finally Boris will be put to the test. I predict failure of epic proportions, but hey, I might be wrong.

That's a remainers point of view. The big issue is the Brexit party and how successful they will be, BJ fails.

 

The brexit issue will not go away. If the EU were smart and they are clearly not, have no real understanding of the underlying distrust and contempt of the UK against the EU, they would be best severing ties ASAP. Then again history shows that the EU is not the smartest lamp in the street.

[Bluespunk]

41 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

not good in politics to make assumptions

Such as you have on a no deal brexit happening...

[RickBradford]

[AGareth2]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Such as you have on a no deal brexit happening...

I think you need to reread my posts

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, AGareth2 said:

I think you need to reread my posts

I don’t. 

 

I can recall you mentioning no deal in two separate posts when responding to one post of mine. 

Edited July 28, 2019 by Bluespunk

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, Jip99 said:

I might be wrong but I thought Article 50 was drafted by secretary-general of the European Convention, which drafted the Constitutional Treaty for the European Union

Yes, Lord Kerr was the secretary-general of the European Convention 2002/3 when it was written.

 

The author of the Article 50 clause that allows Britain to leave the EU has called for the Brexit process to be halted, saying that the “disastrous consequences” are “becoming ever clearer”. John Kerr, the former diplomat, is one of dozens of prominent Scots to sign an open letter urging a pause and a rethink. “In a democracy, it is always possible to think again and to choose a different direction. We need to think again about Brexit, to have a UK-wide debate about calling a halt to the process and changing our minds,” says the letter, whose other signatories include the former defence secretary George Robertson, the software entrepreneur Ian Ritchie and the historian Tom Devine.

https://www.ft.com/content/4f0163d4-6b0a-11e7-bfeb-33fe0c5b7eaa

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

That's a remainers point of view. The big issue is the Brexit party and how successful they will be, BJ fails.

 

The brexit issue will not go away. If the EU were smart and they are clearly not, have no real understanding of the underlying distrust and contempt of the UK against the EU, they would be best severing ties ASAP. Then again history shows that the EU is not the smartest lamp in the street.

I wouldn't be sure that Brexit will not go away, and you certainly are not sure when you 'speak for the UK' with respect to views on the EU.