Chongalulu Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 On 7/31/2019 at 10:05 AM, thaiguzzi said: Lets take another look, OTHER than the Western perpective; He gets a life sentence. Or 10 or 20 years in prison. The kids and family get nothing other than vengeance and have two dead parents. or the Thai perspective. The family is set up for life financially, and if the funds are spent and invested wisely, the kids should get a high end education. This particular incident, unlike many other hi profile HiSo incidents, the perp was deeply affected by it all and genuinely remorseful. And he never ducked responsibility nor tried to escape the law with high end lawyers. I'm not sticking up for the guy either, he committed a wrong, and he has to pay for it. Has he paid for it? I can't answer that. In civilized,democratic countries the 3rd party liability and criminal prosecution are usually separated and the insurer (not the driver) is liable for the compensation. This is for the valid reason that there is not a 2 tier compromised justice system based on wealth and to avoid exactly the egregious scenario of this case. The example this sets to others of wealth is that they can buy their way out and thus lessens the deterrent effect. Whatever mindless message/ initiative uttered by government ministers comes out is completely overshadowed by the real message here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digbeth Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Thailand have separate criminal and civil suits too see the 'Praewa 9 bodies' case, the criminal case is done and dusted but they appeal the civil suits all the way to 3 courts. in this case, the fact that the guy paid up well in advance and way above the norm is probably why the family didn't press on with civil suit. Had a poor guy in similar situation feel the guilt and yet give most of his lifesavings to the surviving family, would the sentence be the same? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiguzzi Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, nchuckle said: In civilized,democratic countries the 3rd party liability and criminal prosecution are usually separated and the insurer (not the driver) is liable for the compensation. This is for the valid reason that there is not a 2 tier compromised justice system based on wealth and to avoid exactly the egregious scenario of this case. The example this sets to others of wealth is that they can buy their way out and thus lessens the deterrent effect. Whatever mindless message/ initiative uttered by government ministers comes out is completely overshadowed by the real message here. Yes, i'm not disagreeing. But this is Thailand. In SE Asia. With a complete different mind set on death, retribution, karma, heaven & hell, afterlife and reincarnation. Something, inc Western Justice and courts have a difficult time getting their head round. Believe me, when i say everybody involved in this tragic case already agrees and is satisfied the Perp has paid for his deed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimdandy Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, nchuckle said: or the Thai perspective. The family is set up for life financially, and if the funds are spent and invested wisely, the kids should get a high end education. There are numerous victim assistance programs in many countries that do exactly that much better than this one under your non western theory. How nice it will be for the kids to say at graduation 'mommy and daddy would have been proud of me'. Huh? Or is there some mystical phrase somewhere that says if don't think about it you're OK. Try telling that to war veterans or rape survivors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim1000 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Lucky man he could have been prosecuted for stealing " illegal ' wild mushrooms ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seancbk Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 On 7/31/2019 at 2:12 PM, ezzra said: "Wealthy Thai businessman" self explanatory, no need for more words as to why he got out with a slap on the wrist... What matters is that the family are satisfied with the compensation and the verdict. What benefit would there be to locking him up for x years? I much prefer hearing these guys have to fork out large sums of money to the people who actually suffered a loss. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolgeoff Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Drunk kills 2 people,probably driving again.pay a fine do whatever pay the family some money I imagine.all good again,this is Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moir Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 He's murdered 2 people <deleted>!!! They should be throwing the book at him!!!!! Money certainly talks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave moir Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 2 hours ago, seancbk said: What matters is that the family are satisfied with the compensation and the verdict. What benefit would there be to locking him up for x years? I much prefer hearing these guys have to fork out large sums of money to the people who actually suffered a loss. He should be doing both!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boit Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Do any Thai officials read this forum and know what the world thinks of a murderer who corruptly pays his way out of jail time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggg88 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 He paid off the family , simple as - justice Thai style, get used to it. The Red Bull heir will raise his ugly head soon. Another family paid off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Bloggs Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 They wonder why their road toll is so high, no amount of money should get people off this crime, he should also have an ankle bracelet and a starting lock on all his vehicles and have a 6 year driving ban, but really all that matters little he should be behind bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
digbeth Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Maybe getting off involuntary manslaughter is fine, but there should be at least minimum time spent for drunk driving. But even if you get stopped by a checkpoint and breathalyzed, all you get is a weekend in holding, bail(if you an afford it) and community service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siamsev Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 On 7/31/2019 at 2:35 PM, phkauf said: The victim was a Deputy Police Commander! How little the Thai Judicial System values their own. Had this occurred in any civilized country, Somchai would be spending the rest of his life in jail. When are the Thais going to wake up to the carnage on their roads and it's mostly because of their irresponsible behavior. Just the other day the story about the Thai tourist causing a horrible accident in Hokkaido, Japan - now they are bringing their horrible behavior to other countries. I can't wait for the Japanese to treat Thais in the same manner the Thais regard the Chinese as parasites and low class. The Thais are fully deserving of their disdain. Excellent post. We forget somtimes how under valued the police are here and how they are pawns in the political shenanigans that play out above us all. Terrible pay, terrible conditions and now this just undermines any authority they have in the eyes of those that run the country. Some friends of mine were totally wiped out by a guy a few months ago while driving towards Don Mueang. The guy tips their car over and then runs away. The police arrested him and were told to drop the case because of who he was. Not even a fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essox essox Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 On 7/31/2019 at 2:19 PM, rkidlad said: Words fail me. You need help, Thailand. what about the guy jailed for self defense against a DOG..??? think he got jailed for saving himself of the dog attack... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essox essox Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, siamsev said: Excellent post. We forget somtimes how under valued the police are here and how they are pawns in the political shenanigans that play out above us all. Terrible pay, terrible conditions and now this just undermines any authority they have in the eyes of those that run the country. Some friends of mine were totally wiped out by a guy a few months ago while driving towards Don Mueang. The guy tips their car over and then runs away. The police arrested him and were told to drop the case because of who he was. Not even a fine. disgusting.....NO ONE SHOULD BE ABOVE THE LAW..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmartyMarty Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 whereas if there were mushrooms found in his car, he'd go away for life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred white Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 21 hours ago, StevieAus said: Not everyone in civilized countries who kills people on the road goes to jail. Many years ago in Australia a very good friend of mine was hit from behind while driving home on a motorbike leaving a wife and two young children, the female car driver didn’t go to jail. In another case not too far from where I lived a female learner driver crashed into a bus queue killing and injuring several people she didn’t go to jail, although I accept that I don’t think alcohol was involved. Finally wasn’t there a politician in America from a well know family who crashed off a bridge leaving the female passenger to drown.? I don’t think he went to jail either. No he didn't in fact he became a senator ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Amazing Thailand for all the wrong reasons. I should be speechless but it happens all the time. Money talks, remorseful. A few months as a monk, all is forgiven. Once again Amazing Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanterbrigianBangkoker Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Sums up the way this place works. Financial compensation (and status) obviously counts for more than justice, atonement, punishment or the law in Thailand. <deleted> disgraceful 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaifriends Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 If anyone do not like TH or its judiciary then there are plenty of countries within few hundred kms away 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AloisAmrein Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Simply disgusting. Corruption reigns this country. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damrongsak Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 It's as though "He didn't mean to do it. What's done is done, and he gave them a bazillion Baht." No problem. But a bit of time in the slammer should be mandatory. Geez, village people picking mushrooms in the forest get slammed much harder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 At least the family gets 45 million baht, since he is filthy rich. The Red Bull family paid much more than that to bribe the government and everyone that was standing in their way so their son could get a new identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donnacha Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 (edited) There is one silver lining here. The 45 million sets a new high bar for contrition. It will now be very hard for the rich to get away with paying the pathetically small amounts they were accustomed to. Yes, it does not come close to what those little girls have lost. Yes, anyone found that drunk while driving should automatically receive hard time. Even so, we have to acknowledge that this is a turning point in Thai society, the lesson will sink in more effectively than any prison sentence would have. Money number one. That might be the only thing that has a chance of getting people to think twice before turning the ignition key. Edited August 2, 2019 by donnacha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalblue Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Going to jail is not about helping the family but to show one is held accountable for their misguided behavior... it sends a strong message to that society...I know in the usa, drivers fear Drunk driving charges and might even alter their choices whether to drink and how much to consume.... dont think Thai drivers worry about enforcement and being caught up in the legal system here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckenfell Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 On 7/31/2019 at 2:09 PM, Thaiwrath said: <deleted> absolute disgrace ! Unbelievable ! no words can describe this terrible corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckenfell Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 On 7/31/2019 at 2:19 PM, rkidlad said: Words fail me. You need help, Thailand. It is the Judiciary who are the sick ones and desperately need help. What a case of utter corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckenfell Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 On 7/31/2019 at 2:39 PM, CNXexpat said: I don´t know how rich he is but I guess he will feel the loss of 45 million Baht. For westeners it might sound strange but for the families they get money it´s a huge help. It doesn´t help the family if he would go to jail for many years but the kids lost their parents and the income what pays their school and life. Nothing can make the parents live again. No matter what it cost him, he should still go to jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huckenfell Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 17 hours ago, donnacha said: There is one silver lining here. The 45 million sets a new high bar for contrition. It will now be very hard for the rich to get away with paying the pathetically small amounts they were accustomed to. Yes, it does not come close to what those little girls have lost. Yes, anyone found that drunk while driving should automatically receive hard time. Even so, we have to acknowledge that this is a turning point in Thai society, the lesson will sink in more effectively than any prison sentence would have. Money number one. That might be the only thing that has a chance of getting people to think twice before turning the ignition key. Is he still allowed to "turn the ignition key" He should be barred for life. 2 minutes ago, Huckenfell said: No matter what it cost him, he should still go to jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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