'Many killed' in shooting at Walmart in El Paso; suspect in custody

[ThePioneer]

3 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

But if murders are down by 50% for their high in the early 90s  and the percentage of those murders by guns has risen just a tad from that era, that means that the total number of homicides by guns is still way down from where it was. 

I'm not native English so maybe my understanding that homicide and murder are actually the same thing is wrong

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So which part of "murder by firearm at all time high", is it that you don't comprehend?

Edited August 4, 2019 by ThePioneer

[mogandave]

1 minute ago, ThePioneer said:

I'm not native English so maybe my understanding that homicide and murder are actually the same thing is wrong

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So which part of "murder by firearm at all time high", is it that you don't comprehend?

 

It's not him, it's you not comprehending what you posted. Your graph is a little misleading. Murder by firearm is not at an all time high, the percentage of murders by firearm is at an all time high, assuming of course you believe the data.

[bristolboy]

3 minutes ago, ThePioneer said:

I'm not native English so maybe my understanding that homicide and murder are actually the same thing is wrong

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So which part of "murder by firearm at all time high", is it that you don't comprehend?

Because it's percentage of murders. Not the total number of murders. It simply has to be the case since murders have declined by almost 50 percent since their high in the early 90's. While the percentage of murder by firearms has risen only slightly from that time. The math can't be denied.. Here's another graph from that same article:

 

 

[usviphotography]

13 minutes ago, ThePioneer said:

Yes you're right, but this thread about a SHOOTING, so I guess firearm was used.

 

Maybe you could also post the traffic deaths, as that would be as off topic as quoting homicide rates in this thread

His reply was a sound retort to your similarly irrelevant citation. Your chart is about the percentage of total murders committed that happened to have been committed with a gun, which has gone up. That is NOT the same thing as an increase in murders by gun. If you look at the two charts, the percentage of murders by gun was close to its recent bottom in the exact same time period that overall murder rate was at its absolute peak. Is that the glory period you want us to return to?

 

 

Edited August 4, 2019 by usviphotography

[emptypockets]

Geez you two discussing percentages  of murders etc….it should be ZERO!!

[ThePioneer]

Ok thanks for pointing out, I was indeed misled by the percentage.

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, emptypockets said:

Geez you two discussing percentages  of murders etc….it should be ZERO!!

In fact, there should be no violent crimes of any sort. Or embezzlement. Or fraud.  What's your point?

[jany123]

3 hours ago, Salerno said:

The uncomfortable truth is you have a nation with a rising mental issues problem with ridiculously easy access to guns and no one seems to have the cajones to do something about it.

You argue well for the case of getting that damn wall built ASAP... all the way around... and a roof... gotta have a roof, or the walls are no good.... isolate the loonies in their own bin... it’s the only solution. 

[luckyluke]

The majority of the Americans are not really affect with all these mass shootings. 

 

They consider that it is simply the price to pay for the blessing of the existence of the Second Amendment. 

[emptypockets]

20 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

In fact, there should be no violent crimes of any sort. Or embezzlement. Or fraud.  What's your point?

I thought that was obvious.

[lannarebirth]

7 hours ago, sirineou said:

This contribution was made a day before this incident,  At this point I support those who I hope will shape the narrative of this primary and help restore sanity and dignity to our country. 

 I put my  money where my mouth is .

 

Money better spent on Yang's campaign but up to you.

[joecoolfrog]

10 hours ago, Mel52 said:

Oh God it sounds like this is gonna be one of the worst mass shootings in history I’ve been watching it since last night live on the United States news Fox News, CNN, and a few others I have AIS at home so I get most of the United States TV channels. It’s just unbelievable another one a really bad one this time and the shooter had 20 minutes to shoot almost 50 people from what I’m hearing on the news right now they’re saying 20 dead and almost 25 wounded in the hospital. This is horrible and we’ll have plenty of time to debate gun control and how terrible people think things are in America but for now there are mass amounts of people who just died less than 10 hours ago and lots more injured families are just now starting to find out who’s dead who’s alive or in the hospital or what. So for now spare everyone your opinions and just pray for these people.

Oh please , what the hell good will prayers do.How many of these recent deaths were prevented by the last round of prayers , excuses and hand wringing ?

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

Oh please , what the hell good will prayers do.How many of these recent deaths were prevented by the last round of prayers , excuses and hand wringing ?

Exactly!

The right time to talk about the GUN issue is ALL the time!

The NRA types say don't talk about right after mass shootings but then they don't want to talk about it EVER.

So don't fall for that noise.

[joecoolfrog]

Karma dictates that every future victim of a mass shooting should be a freedom loving , constitution fearing, paid up member of the NRA.

Edited August 4, 2019 by joecoolfrog

[emptypockets]

1 minute ago, joecoolfrog said:

Oh please , what the hell good will prayers do.How many of these recent deaths were prevented by the last round of prayers , excuses and hand wringing ?

Bugger all. When Muslims blow up westerners we are told to hug a Muslim. When the NZ guy shot the Muslims in the mosque we were told to hug a muslim.

Obviously  the two recent events in the US are not Muslim related but the same principle applies...lets go pray...idiots.

 

Wake up and stop this crap. Why hasn't some one said it was all a mistake and the second amendment said the right to bare arms,  not the right to bear arms. The t shirt business alone would have made the USA the greatest economy on earth.

[emptypockets]

7 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

Karma dictates that every future victim of a mass shooting should be a freedom loving , constitution fearing, paid up member of the NRA.

Including ten year old boys and eight year old girls. Funny Karma in your world. Why does anyone deserve to die at the hand of a nutcase? I now deserve to die simply taking my grandchildren shopping? 

[elephant45]

Another consideration is that the average citizen in the USA cannot even pay their rent/food/medical/car bills with the wages offered. Young people make the same wages as I did 40 years ago with no benefits.

[emptypockets]

1 minute ago, elephant45 said:

Another consideration is that the average citizen in the USA cannot even pay their rent/food/medical/car bills with the wages offered. Young people make the same wages as I did 40 years ago with no benefits.

That justifies mass murder?

[bristolboy]

37 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

The majority of the Americans are not really affect with all these mass shootings. 

 

They consider that it is simply the price to pay for the blessing of the existence of the Second Amendment. 

Fox News Poll: Voters favor gun measures, doubt Congress will act

By a 13-point margin, voters consider protecting against gun violence more important than protecting gun rights (53-40 percent).

In addition, there’s substantial support for specific measures to reduce gun violence, including: requiring criminal background checks on all gun buyers (91 percent), requiring mental health checks on all gun buyers (84 percent), raising the age to buy all guns to 21 (72 percent), putting armed guards in schools (69 percent), and banning assault rifles and semi-automatic weapons (60 percent).

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-voters-favor-gun-measures-doubt-congress-will-act

[joecoolfrog]

13 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Including ten year old boys and eight year old girls. Funny Karma in your world. Why does anyone deserve to die at the hand of a nutcase? I now deserve to die simply taking my grandchildren shopping? 

Nobody deserves to die , thats my point! However we are informed by some that the deaths are a price worth paying to preserve " freedom " , let them be the ones to pay.

[joecoolfrog]

54 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

The majority of the Americans are not really affect with all these mass shootings. 

 

They consider that it is simply the price to pay for the blessing of the existence of the Second Amendment. 

Yes im sure there will be a number of bereaved families counting their blessings today !

[CNXexpat]

1 hour ago, luckyluke said:

The majority of the Americans are not really affect with all these mass shootings.

Oh yes, they are, because all students are checked for guns. And in the future everybody who wants to go shopping. Also many people feel unsafe.

Edited August 4, 2019 by CNXexpat
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[jerojero]

USA decay from within. Sad. Trump doesn't help things. Republicans are pathetic bunch. What happened to the proud becon of the West? RIP those who died.

[jerojero]

A thinker? 555! He's a moron and everyone knows it.

Mass killing and trump tweets about a UFC fight. Not really a thinker old don.

[lannarebirth]

Just now, jerojero said:

A thinker? 555! He's a moron and everyone knows it.

I wouldn't call him a moron. While it is true he is probably not as intelligent as most other sociopaths.

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[Redline]

21 hours ago, johnmell said:

And the response will be light a few candles, hold a vigil, and wait for the next one.

A few hours later 

[MaxYakov]

A link to the shooter's manifesto had been made by the Drudge Report at www.drudgereport.com.

 

I, in no way, support the shooter's actions, but I do believe his manifesto should be read, at least. Many people died and were injured because of this young man's beliefs and actions - RIP

Edited August 4, 2019 by MaxYakov

[lannarebirth]

6 minutes ago, MaxYakov said:

A link to the shooter's manifesto had been made by the Drudge Report at www.drudgereport.com.

 

I, in no way, support the shooter's actions, but I do believe his manifesto should be read, at least. Many people died and were injured because of this young man's beliefs and actions - RIP

 

No thanks.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/age-brain-matures-at-everything-2017-11

[kamahele]

On 8/4/2019 at 6:05 AM, riclag said:

Act! How! Mental competency screening for every citizen who has a  license! Should Americans walk into the police station upon demand and hand over their weapons! Maybe stop making and selling ak's!  Than there is the question of other weapons! What was this guys motive! That has to be determined first,act on that!

Um, the guy published his motives online before he started shooting.... Yes, every citizen owning a gun, should be licensed as every driver is required to be and yes, every gun owner should be screened.