Johnson's top aide says lawmakers can't stop no-deal Brexit - Sunday Telegraph

[rooster59]

Johnson's top aide says lawmakers can't stop no-deal Brexit - Sunday Telegraph

 

FILE PHOTO: Dominic Cummings, special advisor for Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson, is seen at Downing Street in London, Britain August 2, 2019. REUTERS/Simon Dawson/File Photo

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Lawmakers will be unable to stop a no-deal Brexit on Oct. 31 by bringing down Britain’s government in a vote of no confidence next month, Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s top aide has advised, according to the Sunday Telegraph.

 

Dominic Cummings, one of architects of the 2016 campaign to leave the European Union, told ministers that Johnson could schedule a general election after the Oct. 31 Brexit deadline if he loses a vote of no confidence in parliament, the newspaper said, citing sources.

 

Johnson has promised to lead Britain out of the EU on Oct. 31 with or without a deal but has a working majority of just one after his Conservative Party lost a parliamentary seat on Friday.

 

Some of his lawmakers have hinted they would vote against him to prevent a no-deal Brexit — a rising prospect that has sent the pound tumbling to 30-month lows against the dollar over the last few days.

 

Lawmakers are unable to table a motion of no confidence before next month because the House of Commons is in recess until Sept. 3.

 

“(Lawmakers) don’t realise that if there is a no-confidence vote in September or October, we’ll call an election for after the 31st and leave anyway,” Cummings was quoted by one of the Sunday Telegraph’s sources as saying.

 

Johnson has said he would prefer to the leave the EU with a deal but has rejected the Irish backstop — an insurance policy to prevent the return of a hard border between the Irish Republic and Northern Ireland — which the EU says is key to any agreement.

 

The main opposition Labour Party has said it will oppose any Brexit deal brought forward by Johnson if it does not protect jobs, workers rights and the environment.

 

Reporting by Andy Bruce; Editing by Susan Thomas

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-08-04

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[darksidedog]

And so the drama continues. Whether you want in or out of Europe, you have to say the whole affair has been about as badly mismanaged as it could possibly get, and has created a level of disunity in the country that was never there before the whole mess began.

[AGareth2]

16 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

“(Lawmakers) don’t realise that if there is a no-confidence vote in September or October, we’ll call an election for after the 31st and leave anyway,” Cummings was quoted by one of the Sunday Telegraph’s sources as saying.

The Baldric plan

[Chomper Higgot]

I think what he’s actually saying is Johnson is an empty vessel, bringing nothing to the job of PM.

 

 

But neglects, there is no situation that an idiot liar can’t make worse.

[Laughing Gravy]

13 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

And so the drama continues. Whether you want in or out of Europe, you have to say the whole affair has been about as badly mismanaged as it could possibly get, and has created a level of disunity in the country that was never there before the whole mess began.

I have to agree it has been mismanaged and also fudged to a level that many remaining MP's have done their best and are continuing to try and prevent the referendum result.

 

The sooner we are out of the EU the better chance for unity within the country. Keeping the UK in the EU will just create more unrest and division.

 

[smedly]

8 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

And so the drama continues. Whether you want in or out of Europe, you have to say the whole affair has been about as badly mismanaged as it could possibly get, and has created a level of disunity in the country that was never there before the whole mess began.

and the blame sits firmly with the weak inept lying T May, I cannot think of one thing she did correctly in the last 3 years

 

She will go down in history as the worst PM ever

 

She lost control - let Brussels walk all over her - lied - (deleted) up 2017 election - destroyed the CON party, the list is endless

[smedly]

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think what he’s activating is Johnson is an empty vessel, bringing nothing to the job of PM.

 

 

But neglects, there is no situation that an idiot liar can’t make worse.

you could have a go ????

 

 

[MisterTee]

French journalist Adrien Jaulmes  neatly sums up the shifts that have already happened saying that "The UK has built its power on two principles: keep the British Isles united and the European continent divided. Today it is close to succeeding in doing the opposite."

Economic disaster may or may not be around the corner, but Brexit has already produced irreversible political turmoil and disintegration which will not go away whether or not Britain is inside or outside the EU.

The economic aspect is just one side of the coin. The more important failure is the seeming inability of the Brits to govern themselves.

Welcome to the Third World.

[ThaiPauly]

5 minutes ago, smedly said:

and the blame sits firmly with the weak inept lying T May, I cannot think of one thing she did correctly in the last 3 years

 

She will go down in history as the worst PM ever

 

She lost control - let Brussels walk all over her - lied - (deleted) up 2017 election - destroyed the CON party, the list is endless

Whilst not disagreeing with you, there is still time for Boris to take that crown!!

[sandyf]

Been there all along, Brexit means brexit whatever the cost.

Problem is that 60 million plus will have to suffer because 17 million thought they understood the consequences.

After 3 years of debate and a great deal of clarification, the brexit idea of democracy does not allow for people to admit they may have made a mistake.

It is a life changing situation and parliament is the jury, is the country to be sentenced on a minority verdict, an extremely slippery slope.

[smedly]

1 hour ago, ThaiPauly said:

Whilst not disagreeing with you, there is still time for Boris to take that crown!!

I'm not convinced about Boris but he has a pretty decent team around him to keep him right

 

His first address in the HOC was a breath of fresh air - he ripped Corbin to shreds and pretty much everyone else that challenged him

 

I still think he need the Brexit Party on side to win an election - at this point he will never admit that but the last By-election speaks for itself

[vogie]

44 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think what he’s actually saying is Johnson is an empty vessel, bringing nothing to the job of PM.

 

 

But neglects, there is no situation that an idiot liar can’t make worse.

All you ever do is call Johnson a liar in everyone of your posts, it brings nothing to the debate and gets very boring. The reality is if the remainers had not tried to thwart democracy and had shown a little interest in what the electorate had voted for, Boris would not be the Prime Minister now, and for this we thank you.

Labour has done everything in its power to scupper the democratic decision to leave, it would seem that them getting into power is far more important than what is best for our country, afteral the majority of the Labour Party voted to leave the EU, and Corbyn after 37 years of being a Eurosceptic is now suddenly a born again Europhile, Beelzebub had more morals than Corbyn.

But by ignoring the wishes of a democratic decision just might come and bite the remainers on the backside.

[ThaiBunny]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

All you ever do is call Johnson a liar in everyone of your posts

Not only are you correct in that statement, he's also posted to the effect that he doesn't like any politician on the Brexit side. Just Ignore him

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

Not only are you correct in that statement, he's also posted to the effect that he doesn't like any politician on the Brexit side. Just Ignore him

Link?

[roobaa01]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

and the blame sits firmly with the weak inept lying T May, I cannot think of one thing she did correctly in the last 3 years

 

She will go down in history as the worst PM ever

 

She lost control - let Brussels walk all over her - lied - (deleted) up 2017 election - destroyed the CON party, the list is endless

 

imo, can only be topped by antisemite james corby onces in the driver's seat.

 

wbr

roobaa01

[legend49]

1 hour ago, darksidedog said:

And so the drama continues. Whether you want in or out of Europe, you have to say the whole affair has been about as badly mismanaged as it could possibly get, and has created a level of disunity in the country that was never there before the whole mess began.

Make it the 51st State?

[Chomper Higgot]

16 minutes ago, vogie said:

All you ever do is call Johnson a liar in everyone of your posts, it brings nothing to the debate and gets very boring. The reality is if the remainers had not tried to thwart democracy and had shown a little interest in what the electorate had voted for, Boris would not be the Prime Minister now, and for this we thank you.

Labour has done everything in its power to scupper the democratic decision to leave, it would seem that them getting into power is far more important than what is best for our country, afteral the majority of the Labour Party voted to leave the EU, and Corbyn after 37 years of being a Eurosceptic is now suddenly a born again Europhile, Beelzebub had more morals than Corbyn.

But by ignoring the wishes of a democratic decision just might come and bite the remainers on the backside.

It’s a bit of an exaggeration to state all I ever do is call Johnson a liar.

 

Fairer to say, I frequently observe he’s a liar, which he is and which is something to keep in mind whenever pinning hopes on something he says or promises.

 

That you blame the ascension of this habitual liar to the office of PM on Remainers is no surprise, it is, after all, always somebody else’s fault.

[ardsong]

On each Brexit post , I laugh my "a.." off, for the different comments posted. It shows that the British expats are as divided as their country folks inside (great) Britain and their politicians. It would be a pity if this comedy ends by 31st October.

[Basil B]

1 hour ago, smedly said:

She will go down in history as the worst PM ever

Looks like Boris wants that title.

[smedly]

There is one fact that escapes everyone - we will leave on the 31st Oct, it cannot be stopped, even if the CON government loses a NC vote all they have to do is plan an election after the 31st Oct we will have left by default and law - bye bye

 

There is no sensible reason why Brussels would blank the 5th Largest economy in the world and risk an interruption to trade especially when Italy and Spain are in recession and both Germany and France are on the brink

 

They need to hit the reset button and forget about what T May did these last 2 years - it is gone - bin it and sort this out

 

They don't want the UK to leave because they cannot compete with a free trading UK once the shackles and control from Brussels have been torn away

 

The EU is heading down the toilet and we need to get away before we are dragged down with it 

 

Here is my prediction

 

The UK will leave on the 31st Oct - we may have an extended period to sort the finer details out but we will have left.

 

If a sensible trade deal cannot be sorted in the months after we have left then - 

 

Germany and France (possibly Spain and Italy) will also effectively leave the EU (because it is unsustainable without the UK) they will not file ART50 because they make the rules as they go, the EU will effectively be split either 2-25 or 4-23, the 23 will fall apart

 

 

 

Effectively the EU will have imploded and the 4 will attempt to protect themselves from the fallout 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, smedly said:

There is one fact that escapes everyone - we will leave on the 31st Oct, it cannot be stopped

 

There is no sensible reason why Brussels would blank the 5th Largest economy in the world and risk an interruption to trade especially when Italy and Spain are in recession and both Germany and France are on the brink

 

They need to hit the reset button and forget about what T May did these last 2 years - it is gone - bin it and sort this out

 

They don't want the UK to leave because they cannot compete with a free trading UK once the shackles and control from Brussels have been torn away

 

The EU is heading down the toilet and we need to get away before we are dragged down with it 

 

Here is my prediction

 

The UK will leave on the 31st Oct - we may have an extended period to sort the finer details out but we will have left.

 

Germany and France (possibly Spain and Italy) will also effectively leave the EU (because it is unsustainable without the UK) they will not file ART50 because they make the rules as they go, the EU will effectively be split either 2-25 or 4-23, the 23 will fall apart

 

Effectively the EU will have imploded and the 4 will attempt to protect themselves from the fallout 

Pinned.

[CharlieH]

Troll post removed

[from the home of CC]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Been there all along, Brexit means brexit whatever the cost.

Problem is that 60 million plus will have to suffer because 17 million thought they understood the consequences.

After 3 years of debate and a great deal of clarification, the brexit idea of democracy does not allow for people to admit they may have made a mistake.

It is a life changing situation and parliament is the jury, is the country to be sentenced on a minority verdict, an extremely slippery slope.

wasn't the 17 million basically half of the voters? why do you say this was a minority? If given the opportunity do you think 17 million people would say they made a mistake if the 'brexit idea of democracy" did allow for people to admit it? No windup, just curious..

[smedly]

27 minutes ago, ardsong said:

On each Brexit post , I laugh my "a.." off, for the different comments posted. It shows that the British expats are as divided as their country folks inside (great) Britain and their politicians. It would be a pity if this comedy ends by 31st October.

you are making an assumption that all those posting here are British - I don't agree

[Blue Muton]

10 minutes ago, smedly said:

There is one fact that escapes everyone - we will leave on the 31st Oct, it cannot be stopped, even if the CON government loses a NC vote all they have to do is plan an election after the 31st Oct we will have left by default and law - bye bye

 

There is no sensible reason why Brussels would blank the 5th Largest economy in the world and risk an interruption to trade especially when Italy and Spain are in recession and both Germany and France are on the brink

 

They need to hit the reset button and forget about what T May did these last 2 years - it is gone - bin it and sort this out

 

They don't want the UK to leave because they cannot compete with a free trading UK once the shackles and control from Brussels have been torn away

 

The EU is heading down the toilet and we need to get away before we are dragged down with it 

 

Here is my prediction

 

The UK will leave on the 31st Oct - we may have an extended period to sort the finer details out but we will have left.

 

If a sensible trade deal cannot be sorted in the months after we have left then - 

 

Germany and France (possibly Spain and Italy) will also effectively leave the EU (because it is unsustainable without the UK) they will not file ART50 because they make the rules as they go, the EU will effectively be split either 2-25 or 4-23, the 23 will fall apart

 

 

 

Effectively the EU will have imploded and the 4 will attempt to protect themselves from the fallout 

Wow, congratulations on fitting so much groundless nonsense all into one post.

[smedly]

4 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

wasn't the 17 million basically half of the voters? why do you say this was a minority? If given the opportunity do you think 17 million people would say they made a mistake if the 'brexit idea of democracy" did allow for people to admit it? No windup, just curious..

vote leave won by 1.4 million votes - no small number

[smedly]

1 minute ago, Blue Muton said:

Wow, congratulations on fitting so much groundless nonsense all into one post.

maybe you have an alternative scenario instead of contributing ...…….. absolutely nothing but digested muton

[Libai]

"No deal" only means no Withdrawal Agreement. Nobody at all, when the referendum took place, ever thought that, if we voted to leave, we would need the EU's permission,  a 'Withdrawal Agreement' to do so. And the fact is, that we do not need it, we merely submitted supinely to the EU's insistence that we must agree one, principally in order for them to trouser £39 billion of our money,  before we could move on to the 'deal' that really matters a FTA.   

[from the home of CC]

1 minute ago, smedly said:

vote leave won by 1.4 million votes - no small number

Indeed - no small number. So some people there believe the majority vote shouldn't decide this but isn't this how a democracy should work? Did some vote without doing research on what they were voting on and the consequences? Should that fact (if true) change the outcome or are people that are of voting age considered responsible enough to weigh in on important decisions without having their homework checked? Is the problem that the people of the UK only want to use a democratic system if the outcome lines up with their viewpoint? None of this makes a lot of sense to me but maybe I'm missing something. Like stated earlier, not a troll just curious. 

[Throatwobbler]

31 minutes ago, smedly said:

There is one fact that escapes everyone - we will leave on the 31st Oct, it cannot be stopped, even if the CON government loses a NC vote all they have to do is plan an election after the 31st Oct we will have left by default and law - bye bye

 

There is no sensible reason why Brussels would blank the 5th Largest economy in the world and risk an interruption to trade especially when Italy and Spain are in recession and both Germany and France are on the brink

 

They need to hit the reset button and forget about what T May did these last 2 years - it is gone - bin it and sort this out

 

They don't want the UK to leave because they cannot compete with a free trading UK once the shackles and control from Brussels have been torn away

 

The EU is heading down the toilet and we need to get away before we are dragged down with it 

 

Here is my prediction

 

The UK will leave on the 31st Oct - we may have an extended period to sort the finer details out but we will have left.

 

If a sensible trade deal cannot be sorted in the months after we have left then - 

 

Germany and France (possibly Spain and Italy) will also effectively leave the EU (because it is unsustainable without the UK) they will not file ART50 because they make the rules as they go, the EU will effectively be split either 2-25 or 4-23, the 23 will fall apart

 

 

 

Effectively the EU will have imploded and the 4 will attempt to protect themselves from the fallout 

What further proof do we need of the fantasy land that Brexiteers live in.