Disgraced U.S. financier Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide - media reports

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

100 years ago, what he was doing would have been considered completely normal, if slightly distasteful.

Today, having sex with a 14 year old is considered a hanging offence, but your great grandmother was probably married with kids at that age.

TVF member offers rationalisation of Epstein's pedophilia. 

[canuckamuck]

1 hour ago, JamesBlond said:

Well, there you go. The more you think about it, the more you have to make the conspiracy more elaborate, more unstable, more improbable, just to make it work.

 

The problem with conspiracy theories is that they are too entertaining - you want them to be true, you are aching for them to be true, precisely because the dull, prosaic explanation - that he killed himself because he was depressed and to protect his friends - is far more likely.

When he was put in prison, there was a massive chorus of voices saying. He will be killed and they will say it was suicide. He was after all, the center of a sex trafficking ring involving the world's most powerful people.

And what do you know? It happened exactly as scripted. There he was all alone in a suicide proof cell. two weeks after an alleged attempted suicide, the suicide watch is lifted. The guards that normally watched him were sent home early. And somehow he managed to become the first guy in 21 years to commit suicide in the facility.

But guys like you are such pets to the system, you see no red flags unless the media shows you some. 

Edit to add this tweet 

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“If you want to understand what an absolutely *enormous* scandal Epstein’s death is, understand this: In the whole American criminal justice system, no inmate was in more danger of suicide or homicide than Epstein. And *everyone* in law enforcement knew it. And now Epstein’s dead.” (Tweet from Seth Abramson)

 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, canuckamuck said:

When he was put in prison, there was a massive chorus of voices saying. He will be killed and they will say it was suicide. He was after all, the center of a sex trafficking ring involving the world's most powerful people.

And what do you know? It happened exactly as scripted. There he was all alone in a suicide proof cell. two weeks after an alleged attempted suicide, the suicide watch is lifted. The guards that normally watched him were sent home early. And somehow he managed to become the first guy in 21 years to commit suicide in the facility.

But guys like you are such pets to the system, you see no red flags unless the media shows you some. 

 

Broken clocks are right twice a day.

 

Let's wait for the Coroner's report and the DoJ IG's investigation findings.

 

[canuckamuck]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

In the USA, there's always a chance of a deal.

If he could incriminate Trump, the liberals would have given him a deal.

If he could incriminate the Clintons, Trump would have given him a deal.

 

Epstein just took too long negotiating the deal, and they all got fed up with him, and took the easy option.

It's not as if he was a murderer (many have done deals), and it's never been suggested he was a pedophile.

100 years ago, what he was doing would have been considered completely normal, if slightly distasteful.

Today, having sex with a 14 year old is considered a hanging offence, but your great grandmother was probably married with kids at that age.

Not to dispute that, for almost the entirety of human history, girls were married off in their teens. The real issue is that this wasn't courting or fooling around, this was sex trafficking, grooming, and coercion. And although Epstein appeared to be into mid to late teens, there is a lot of suggestion that he trafficked victims to pedophiles as well. 

So 100 years ago this still would have been abhorrent. 

[spidermike007]

14 hours ago, JamesBlond said:

The problem with the conspiracy theory is that it supposes that murder has been committed to cover up a lesser crime - murder in a high-security place no less. There may not have been a camera in the actual cell but there will be lots of other cameras in the vicinity and the certainty that the murder would be investigated in detail - unless we are to suppose the prison governor and all the guards also had a vested interest in having someone murdered on their watch. Don't be daft. The whole supposition is unstable. Such a murder would inevitably be solved by one leak or another, and then the whole cadre would be in even deeper sh*t than before.

 

The guy killed himself because he knew he was finished - you can see it in his eyes - and also probably to protect genuine friendships. And who can blame him given the current levels of hysteria on these issues?

Be obedient. The deep state (not the one Trump rants about) loves obedient and compliant citizens. It makes their work so much easier. 

[Krataiboy]

16 hours ago, rabas said:

Fascinating write up in Wiki,  do read the section on Israeli connections:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell

 

To wet the whistle:  The British Foreign Office suspected that Maxwell was a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia." He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[42] Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell's funeral in Israel.

 

... and connected to Epstein via Ghislaine.  Epstein the simple perv with high connections making money from nowhere never made sense.  How fast can team blue link the Russia connection to Trump.

 

Another danged conspiracy theorist! Oooh, you are awful - but I like you!

 

(PS: I used to work for Maxwell, so nothing I hear about the man will come as a surprise).

[Krataiboy]

16 hours ago, JamesBlond said:

 

 

The guy killed himself because he knew he was finished - you can see it in his eyes

What's Mystic Meg doing on this forum?

[RJRS1301]

2 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

What's Mystic Meg doing on this forum?

Reading dead mans eyes

[JemJem]

I am no conspiracy theorist guy, but even when I first heard about this suicide, I thought that there was a chance (not too small) that this was no ordinary suicide (ie. it was at least, a sort of 'allowed-to-go-ahead' suicide).

 

Another thing I wonder : assuming it was really a suicide, why did he commit suicide ?

 

a) he had already had enough of prison conditions and didn't want any more of that. 

 

b) out of remorse

 

c) both a and b

 

My guess is A.