7 hours ago, webfact said:

The United States would enthusiastically support a no-deal Brexit if that is what the British government decided to do

Especially as it gives Trump another opportunity to "stick it to China" as part of his trade war.

• A special clause in the new US-Mexico-Canada trade agreement would give Washington a near-veto over any attempt by Canada or Mexico to agree to a free-trade deal with a “non-market economy”, in what analysts have said is a major threat to China’s position in the global trading system. https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/2166702/china-threatened-isolation-veto-written-us-mexico-canada-trade

If Brexit supporters thought UK lost its sovereignty to the EU, wait until UK trade deal with the US.

Of coarse the US would love to do a trade deal with the UK when we are desperate, but the terms will favour the US...

 

If anyone has any doubts just recall the trade deal struck up with Churchill in the early 40's when we were desperate and the US had us over a barrel, took us 62 years to pay it off. 

7 hours ago, webfact said:

The fashion in the European Union: When the people vote the wrong way from the way the elites want to go, it’s to make the peasants vote again and again until they get it right,” he said.

eyahp just what TM was trying to do submitting the same deal 3 x...now Boris will try the same 3 x

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Trump believes that "when it comes to trade negotiations the EU is worse than China, only smaller", the official said.

nothing else to expect from him when it doesn't go his way

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

eyahp just what TM was trying to do submitting the same deal 3 x...now Boris will try the same 3 x

Eyahp, Jack Douglas? What does it mean?

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Bolton said Britain and the United States could agree trade deals on a sector-by-sector basis, leaving more difficult areas in the trading relationship until later.

 

He said the ultimate aim was a comprehensive trade deal, but highlighted that financial services could be one of the more difficult industries to reach an agreement on.

555 looking forward seeing them trying to make a deal without including the NHS, medicaments, etc

3 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

3 hours ago, edwinchester said:

The trouble is any trade deal between the US and UK is very unlikely to be in the UK's interests.

The US will want access to the NHS which will be disastrous for healthcare in the UK.

UK would be forced to accept American food and I for one do not want low quality US food imports destroying UK farming.

Remember....America 1st is what it's all about and that would be guaranteed to apply to any US/UK trade deal too.

Bizarre post. Could you explain why any trade deal with the US would a) guarantee visa-free movement of people, and the right for Americans to avail themselves of our NHS? 

... and the right for Americans to avail themselves of our NHS? 

 

I think he means the bloated out of control US health industry will infect the UK's NHS and degrade the quality of health care. "Here, you need this $1000 bee sting med, not that $2 one". 

 

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Eyahp, Jack Douglas? What does it mean?

can't understand? did you had a cup of coffee this morning ?

5 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

No one wants to rely on Trump; American diplomacy is in tatters. The UK will be fine November 1st.

Free trade agreement is great for the UK. But, what's in it for the United States. The UK doesn't really have anything to offer as far as exports to the U.S. is concerned. In reality, what does the UK have that the U.S. needs?

3 minutes ago, Longcut said:

Free trade agreement is great for the UK. But, what's in it for the United States. The UK doesn't really have anything to offer as far as exports to the U.S. is concerned. In reality, what does the UK have that the U.S. needs?

Another state.

5 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

No one wants to rely on Trump; American diplomacy is in tatters. The UK will be fine November 1st.

you may not want to but it's all about money so you'll have to, it wont just be about trade you will be caught up in all sorts of wild military adventures that are doomed to failure, overspend on American military hardware and have to support American foreign policy.

4 hours ago, Emdog said:

Why would Bolton and Trump love a no deal exit? A starving person doesn't have much leverage when negotiating price of bread perhaps?

If you read the article, it says US is willing to negotiate now (something May refused to do) before Brexit is even a done deal, which would mean the US is voluntarily surrendering their potential leverage. Trump is an Anglophile. His mother instilled in him a deep love and affection for the Queen. Brits do not deserve it, but they are going to be offered a fair deal.  

Just now, Longcut said:

Free trade agreement is great for the UK. But, what's in it for the United States. The UK doesn't really have anything to offer as far as exports to the U.S. is concerned. In reality, what does the UK have that the U.S. needs?

Bases for missiles and a flunky that will be used, oftimes as a proxy, in some dubious small military adventures with wide ranging consequences if they go wrong so that the US has clean hands, the Europeans don't do his bidding so easily.

2 minutes ago, usviphotography said:

If you read the article, it says US is willing to negotiate now (something May refused to do) before Brexit is even a done deal, which would mean the US is voluntarily surrendering their potential leverage. Trump is an Anglophile. His mother instilled in him a deep love and affection for the Queen. Brits do not deserve it, but they are going to be offered a fair deal.  

but the signing will take place after brexit and will need a 'little' revision

49 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

nothing else to expect from him when it doesn't go his way

In other words they are sovereign and won't do what he tells them (but the UK will, or else)

6 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

but the signing will take place after brexit and will need a 'little' revision

You can hold a big joint press conference once the agreement is finalized that would lock in everyone's positions. Let Trump go on and on about the "big, beautiful deal" he just put together. That would commit him even if he were inclined to screw the British over, which as I already pointed out, he won't because he has an irrational soft spot for them.  

No surprises there. A no-deal UK would be exactly the kind of meek "partner" with very little bargaining power that The Donald loves to do business with.

 

If there's any such enthusiasm on the UK side as well, I predict it will be very short-lived once his terms become clear.

10 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Bases for missiles and a flunky that will be used, oftimes as a proxy, in some dubious small military adventures with wide ranging consequences if they go wrong so that the US has clean hands, the Europeans don't do his bidding so easily.

There are already US bases in the UK. Lakenheath, Mildenhall, Fairford, to name but three. Greenham Common used to store cruise missiles but closed down a few years ago.

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

There are already US bases in the UK. Lakenheath, Mildenhall, Fairford, to name but three. Greenham Common used to store cruise missiles but closed down a few years ago.

RAF Menwith Hill near Harrogate is totally run by the Americans.

18 minutes ago, usviphotography said:

You can hold a big joint press conference once the agreement is finalized that would lock in everyone's positions. Let Trump go on and on about the "big, beautiful deal" he just put together. That would commit him even if he were inclined to screw the British over, which as I already pointed out, he won't because he has an irrational soft spot for them.  

Joint means you have to have two for that press conference. A finalized agreement takes place AFTER brexit so maybe the UK won't have much to shout about then when they have to kow tow to the reality of splendid isolation.

2 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Joint means you have to have two for that press conference. A finalized agreement takes place AFTER brexit so maybe the UK won't have much to shout about then when they have to kow tow to the reality of splendid isolation.

You say "maybe the UK won't have much to shout about" well maybe they just might, at the moment in time a lot of our citizens are doing nothing but pulling our country down, maybe this will be the impetus to get some belief in ourselves again, instead of this 'woe is me' all the time.

I take most of what is thrown at us from the Eumainers as either jealousy, because we have the nous to go it alone or sour grapes because they don't want us to leave, even if they say they do.

No surprise.  Trump's view all along has been that a UK out of the EU will be weaker in UK/US trade negotiations.  A no-deal-Brexit UK will be even weaker, can be offered truly extortionist trade terms and will be in no position to resist.

58 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

(snip) you will be caught up in all sorts of wild military adventures that are doomed to failure, overspend on American military hardware and have to support American foreign policy.

So......what's new?

Really doesn't matter when it will be negotiated or signed, it will be based on 'no deal' The UK has nothing much to offer, terms and conditions will be as the USA pleases.

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Really doesn't matter when it will be negotiated or signed, it will be based on 'no deal' The UK has nothing much to offer, terms and conditions will be as the USA pleases.

 

 

You can't see good in anything can you ?

 

I am sure both parties will be satisfied with the outcome.

Just another ‘unelected bureaucrat’ with an opinion based on ignorance.

Just now, Jip99 said:

 

 

You can't see good in anything can you ?

 

I am sure both parties will be satisfied with the outcome.

Be assured one side will be happy.

 

‘America First’

 

 

1 minute ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

You can't see good in anything can you ?

 

I am sure both parties will be satisfied with the outcome.

No, one party will be satisfied and the other party will pretend to be satisfied.

3 minutes ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

No, one party will be satisfied and the other party will pretend to be satisfied.

 

 

Better, MUCH better than we have now.

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Be assured one side will be happy.

 

‘America First’

 

 

 

 

Better, MUCH better than we have now.