Advice sought on serious drug matter

[DLock]

56 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

Old timer proving experience does not make you wise.  Keep watching those detective movies.

 

Read the thread kid.

 

It was another poster that showed this guy to be less than bright and honest.

 

Then come back and apologize.

[DeathShroud]

45 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

Thanks for your time.  I googled Scott Mallon.  Just links to his merchandising.  A self made profile says he's been in jail, but I wonder how he is still in Thailand if it was for anything too serious.  do you have a link to clarify this please?

 

lots of other anecdotes about stitch ups have been posted too, but no links or supporting evidence.  I have yet to read on TV a poster saying they have had drugs planted, which would be the only real concern in defending this case.  One would think that if it were true their home media would be all over it and hugely bad publicity for LoS.

 

i have no intention of leaving this girl and will do what I can to help, so any further advice regarding lawyers with experience in this area would be greatly appreciated.  FFF has made a useful suggestion which I will follow up, but other options would also be nice.

 

Right on. If you are that committed, she is lucky.

I hope it works out for you both. No lie.

 

http://www.anamericaninbangkok.com/about.html

 

He's got a "how farang get cocked up in Thailand" channel.

 

Lives in BKK. Has made videos regularly for years. Like this:

 

 

Edited August 18, 2019 by DeathShroud

[thasoss]

16 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

erhaps the most important advice here is to first of all, make sure you are not being scammed.

 

so true,good advice

[Mick501]

2 minutes ago, thasoss said:

so true,good advice

Thanks.  Eyes are wide open to that possibility, and there's obviously plenty of avenues to confirm it.  Everything so far points to it being genuine.

 

but I really am just looking to be pointed in the direction of a good lawyer with whom a member or member have personal knowledge.

[CharlieH]

Inflammatory/troll remark and responses removed.

[Mick501]

I'm really just looking to get pointed in the direction of sound legal advice so I can make decisions based on that.

[blackcab]

21 minutes ago, Mick501 said:

I'm really just looking to get pointed in the direction of sound legal advice so I can make decisions based on that.

 

Talk to Ben at Integrity Legal.

 

www.legal.co.th

[Handsome Gardener]

19 hours ago, baansgr said:

Thai Lawyer fees are probably the most xpensive in the world with no reason or breakdown of charging structure. Police corruption is rife so is a possibility...Why was your gf living with her ex....or have you inherited the problem from outset....puts a new twist on a sick buffalo.

What ???? 

 

UK upwards of 10,000 baht PER HOUR for a half decent junior lawyer

 

US Put a zero on the end of that for a good one

 

What thai lawyers charge more than that ?

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

1 hour ago, Mick501 said:

I'm really just looking to get pointed in the direction of sound legal advice so I can make decisions based on that.

I THINK THAT THE best thing for you to do is to stay away

from this case and not offering any help.

 

that is because if the police / criminals will see a farang involved, they

might complicate things just to extort money from you, because farang = money.

and remember, in a country where minimum wage is 9000 baht, even 10,000 baht

means money. which means, it will pay a police officer to arrest your girl

just for the chance to gain 10,000 baht.

 

the police is corrupt but quite efficient and proffesional. they don't fall on people

just like that, they know when and whom to attack.

so if your girlfriend is indeed not guilty, they will let her go. there is no

shortage of criminals in thailand for the police to investigate and arrest.

 

but if they will arrest your girl, they propably know some things that you

don't know or that she did not tell you.

either way you better stay away, and let the police do it's work.

[PingRoundTheWorld]

2 hours ago, BestB said:

Correct but if already in court price increases marginally, as prosecutor may decide to withdraw or file lesser charges but again we not taking few thousand baht 

Having actually met a public prosecutor - there is ZERO chance she would ever drop a case for money. She has been stabbed twice for refusing to take bribes, and abhors corruption.

 

2 hours ago, Mick501 said:

But I am only relying on my 25 years as a detective

You are literally a detective and you can't tell you're being played?

 

 

From experience - any Thai girl who would move in with you and accept an allowance immediately upon meeting you is a prostitute. She might call you and her past 30 sponsors "boyfriend" but in reality she's with you for the money, period. If the money is gone then so will she. That type of girl is far from naive. Quite often they have Thai boyfriends or husbands who they call "brother" or "uncle" to ease your suspicions. Almost always involved with drugs and other shady stuff.

 

But then again, no one can be this naive... surely you are just trolling.

[Isaanbiker]

9 minutes ago, PingRoundTheWorld said:

Having actually met a public prosecutor - there is ZERO chance she would ever drop a case for money. She has been stabbed twice for refusing to take bribes, and abhors corruption.

 

You are literally a detective and you can't tell you're being played?

 

 

From experience - any Thai girl who would move in with you and accept an allowance immediately upon meeting you is a prostitute. She might call you and her past 30 sponsors "boyfriend" but in reality she's with you for the money, period. If the money is gone then so will she. That type of girl is far from naive. Quite often they have Thai boyfriends or husbands who they call "brother" or "uncle" to ease your suspicions. Almost always involved with drugs and other shady stuff.

 

But then again, no one can be this naive... surely you are just trolling.

Nope, he doesn't seem to be trolling, nor does he know how clever certain girls here are when it's all about money.

 

   If the guy said she didn't know anything about the stash, what's the problem then?

 

   What did the OP not write that makes it to his problem? If she's innocent, they'll find that out.

 

   Unfortunately did the same OP post another thread where his gf's brother got caught in bangkok with some joints? 

 

  Is the brother the new boyfriend, or the still/former husband?

 

   I'd have thought that a detective would figure that out.

 

Did I ever mention that I'd been a senator in the US and a lawyer in Mozambique? ? 

[timendres]

3 hours ago, Mick501 said:

lots of other anecdotes about stitch ups have been posted too, but no links or supporting evidence.  I have yet to read on TV a poster saying they have had drugs planted, which would be the only real concern in defending this case.  One would think that if it were true their home media would be all over it and hugely bad publicity for LoS.

No anecdote. I have personally witnessed a drug test being rigged to show positive. You want evidence of that? How? Links? To what? Home media? 555 Your home media does not give a rats ass about Thailand, except sensational stories on slow news days. Go ahead and Google "King Power shoplifting" to see the sort of events that go on here. In fact, once you start done that rabbit hole, you will be shocked. And remember, that is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

3 hours ago, Mick501 said:

i have no intention of leaving this girl and will do what I can to help, so any further advice regarding lawyers with experience in this area would be greatly appreciated.  FFF has made a useful suggestion which I will follow up, but other options would also be nice.

Your call on being the hero in this case. But here is some advice. Do not be physically associated with this girl - in other words, do not ever be at her place. Stay in your condo. Meet her in public locations. If you feel you must spend quality time together, do not let her spend the night in your place. Do not give her access to any personal space in your place. Keep a close eye at all times, and inspect your space after every visit.

 

It also seems that you believe a lawyer here will be honorable. There are good lawyers here, but finding one is not easy, and how will you know?! Lawyers here have stolen the millions of baht settlement for a young girl who was run over by a train and left in a wheelchair, and were accomplices in stealing 10s of millions in the business assets of a foreigner married to a Thai, including his home, leaving him homeless and broke with several children to support. Both of those cases can be found documented online.

 

If you intend to provide funds to help, make sure it is all in cash transactions with no receipts or paper trails of any kind. That also means no bank transfers. Your girl may be as pure and innocent as Snow White herself, but you are circling a drain, and the closer you get the stronger the pull. You are proving that you are a fountain of sympathetic cash, and once that is observed, every effort will be made to drink that fountain dry. And it does not need to be your sweet innocent girl. She can simply be the lamb the wolves threaten to devour. The wolves understand you cannot sit idly by and allow that.

 

You are about to be taught a very difficult lesson. Please try to limit the damage to a few scrapes or a broken bone, and not have your spine snapped (figuratively speaking).

[hanuman2543]

She has been lucky that the drugs were only ganja and no heroin, ice or yaba. You can find quite some stories here about foreigners getting caught with it and normally if the case went to court the judge have been lenient. And in the moment the government is changing the attitude towards ganja. Here are the penalties from Google:

 

PenaltiesEdit

Possession, cultivation, and transport (import/export) of up to 10 kg (22 lb) of cannabis may result in a maximum sentence of five years in prison and/or a fine. Possession, cultivation, and transport of more than 10 kg is punishable by 2 to 15 years in prison and/or a fine. For the majority of people arrested for simple possession of small quantities of cannabis a fine, rather than prison time, is imposed. Narcotics police in Thailand view methamphetamine (Thai: ยาบ้า; RTGS: ya ba) as a more serious issue.[2]

From 2 to 10 years' imprisonment or a fine of 40,000–100,000 baht or both for disposal or possession for the purpose of disposal.

Imprisonment not exceeding five years and or a fine not exceeding 100,000 baht or both for possession.

Imprisonment not exceeding one year and a fine of 100,000 to 1 million baht for consumption.[5

 

I am sure that with the help of a decent lawyer and the testimony of the "ex bf" it is possible to make the whole thing go away or she will get a suspended sentence and a fine

Edited August 18, 2019 by hanuman2543

[timendres]

2 hours ago, hanuman2543 said:

She has been lucky that the drugs were only ganja and no heroin, ice or yaba. You can find quite some stories here about foreigners getting caught with it and normally if the case went to court the judge have been lenient. And in the moment the government is changing the attitude towards ganja. Here are the penalties from Google:

 

PenaltiesEdit

Possession, cultivation, and transport (import/export) of up to 10 kg (22 lb) of cannabis may result in a maximum sentence of five years in prison and/or a fine. Possession, cultivation, and transport of more than 10 kg is punishable by 2 to 15 years in prison and/or a fine. For the majority of people arrested for simple possession of small quantities of cannabis a fine, rather than prison time, is imposed. Narcotics police in Thailand view methamphetamine (Thai: ยาบ้า; RTGS: ya ba) as a more serious issue.[2]

From 2 to 10 years' imprisonment or a fine of 40,000–100,000 baht or both for disposal or possession for the purpose of disposal.

Imprisonment not exceeding five years and or a fine not exceeding 100,000 baht or both for possession.

Imprisonment not exceeding one year and a fine of 100,000 to 1 million baht for consumption.[5

Informative and helpful. Thank you.

 

2 hours ago, hanuman2543 said:

I am sure that with the help of a decent lawyer and the testimony of the "ex bf" it is possible to make the whole thing go away or she will get a suspended sentence and a fine

I am hoping for the OP that this is a possible outcome. Finding that lawyer is critical.

[BestB]

OP, maybe I missed it.  But what city? What province ? If Pattaya I can give you few lawyers who could help

[Swedenlars]

Do the right thing as a man and put 100% of your emotional and financial resources into her defense.
Please keep us updated on the case progress.
Good luck to the both of you.

OMG, how naive are you man ?? TIT.

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[Isaanbiker]

5 hours ago, vinniekintana said:

Is there any evidence that she actually is in legal trouble or she just made it up?

Was she a bargirl when you met her?

Of course was she working for the government with a great income. 

 

  She's not like the others and had only been at a bar for two hours when she met the OP> Totally innocent.

 

   I've just received a call that my mom in law needs a new heart, I'll will open up a GFM page.

 

A small amount will be very helpful sir/mam. May god bless you. 

 

  

[Isaanbiker]

2 hours ago, Swedenlars said:

OMG, how naive are you man ?? TIT.

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TIT.         

Edited August 18, 2019 by Isaanbiker

[amykat]

8 hours ago, Mick501 said:

I do know that it is quite common for people living with drug dealers to genuinely not know of their activities.  But I am only relying on my 25 years as a detective, and you're right, I haven't read the book.

 

in this case there seems to be no evidence to implicate her other than being in the house, and some strong evidence to exculpatory her in that the ex says she's not involved, and my personal experience that she has no idea what ganja is.  If I see some actual evidence to the contrary, then I will change my view.

No evidence other than her being in the house?  Well she LIVED in the house I suppose for over a year, since I’m guessing they lived together for at least the time she was pregnant and until the baby was three months?  Probably much longer?  That was probably not the first time they had drugs in the house and just unluckily got busted?  Let me think deeply now ...2 kilos of weed, I believe that has quite a strong smell does it not??  

 

What was was he doing, selling small quantities to people, or transporting larger quantities around for someone ...oh, you never thought to ask?  That is strange, seems you would know every detail.  Or she gave you stupid answers like  ...too hard to translate ...Thai culture can’t explain.  In Thai relationships and Thai households there is NO privacy so I think it is pretty impossible that she had no idea what was going on.  That does not mean necessarily that I think she deserves to do jail time but that your story does not make sense. So either you are getting massively scammed or you are trolling which I’m starting to believe more due to you adding this line about you being a detective, that seems doubtful.  Detective of what?

 

Next, when two criminals do a crime together, they don’t have a lot of credibility to just SAY well the other guy wasn’t involved.  Obviously a man will have some motivation to want to save his woman and child even if she was involved.  Also it is highly convenient to have one of you out of jail to take care of the kid and to take care of the person in jail.  Like her now, she has a high paying gig as your live in lover and she can support him in jail and the kid so he will want to support that lifestyle. 

 

I guess you never ever met any women who had partners in prison in your 25 year career?? Never chatted with parolees?  Guys in prison ..nothing??  Never saw the long line of women visiting?

 

As to your comment that she can’t recognize weed, well that is just ridiculous, you are claiming I guess that she has never seen a music video, movies, etc where people also smoke cigars, etc???

 

You have failed to tell us where you are located but want us to give you a lawyer to see?  How will that work?  

 

You never answered if you can verify anything ...have you visited boyfriend in jail, seen girlfriend’s paperwork, where is baby, what does her Father and Mother do for a living?  Sometimes the people who do these things are more like middle class Thais, and they have the connections they need, and the ways to borrow money to pay their way out, and then they actually sometimes learn a lesson from that large financial penalty.  They do these things because they want a BMW, not because they don’t have food.  They would much rather have you pay off the penalties, but the penalties will just be higher because they are according to your ability to pay, for one thing, but also you need connections and you don’t have them ...if your story and her story is real.

 

The best thing that happens usually is that she will get a suspended sentence with probation.  Maybe her boyfriend already worked that deal somehow and you don’t know?  But they will get you to pay some fake bribes and bank the money.  When ever you pay bribes, you are at risk of getting them stolen and never getting to the right people when you have no connections and trust.  People in the right places don’t want to take bribes from strangers, they only take them from people well known to them ...it is a complicated situation and with many people getting a part of the money when a case is already this far gone.

 

Maybe you think this sounds like a fun adventure ...old stories you read about 3rd world this and that, white knight, save your woman, fall in love, whatever happens you will just buy your way out ...no biggie ...I think you will find out this is not Cambodia 20 years ago.  There are some serious things going on here and a new sheriff in town now.

[fhickson]

can we get an update on this situation from the op please

[simon43]

in this case there seems to be no evidence to implicate her

 

What relevance is that? You're not in Kansas now.  In Thailand, proof of guilt is not necessary to obtain a conviction.  Stop thinking like a Westerner!  You will end up in very hot water.  I know from personal experience that being guilty or not of a crime is not what decides the outcome of a prosecution.

 

You should take the good advice given to you by other posters and drop this girl without delay, before you get dragged into this expensive problem.

[BritManToo]

8 hours ago, amykat said:

The best thing that happens usually is that she will get a suspended sentence with probation.

2Kg of weed in her house = 5 years in jail.

[Henryford]

Run Forest run...............

[luk AJ]

Thanks.  Some comstructive points to think about. . As I said in the OP, I'm hoping to be steered in the direction of a good lawyer who has experience with this type of thing.

A good lawyer who can actually give professional help will cost you between 8.000 and 11.000 ThB/hour.


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[uzynkotak]

Dude, Run!

[bbi1]

I thought talking about anything illegal on this forum was not allowed. Anyway, since it's allowed to talk about bribery, for the OP's benefit what kind of bribery is needed for his gf to pay to get her out of that situation?

[bbi1]

On 8/17/2019 at 6:27 PM, Mick501 said:

Inherited the problem.  She hasn't been pushing for financial help, to her credit

She's pushing for financial help from who?

 

On 8/17/2019 at 6:48 PM, Mick501 said:

As I said, she's naive.  Young and still learning about life.  She lives with me and we are a couple so walking away is not really an option.   The events predated me being in LoS.  

Time will tell who's the naive one and still learning about life.

[hanuman2543]

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

2Kg of weed in her house = 5 years in jail.

Not necessarily,  see my post about the penalties. 

[bbi1]

LOL.....CLOSING the OP's previous thread talking about bribery and this exact same thread is about bribery it's still open and going strong lol.....

 

Old closed thread which was brought up earlier by someone else on Page 5 of this thread: 

 

Edited August 19, 2019 by bbi1

[Vacuum]

On 8/17/2019 at 11:20 AM, baansgr said:

Why was your gf living with her ex

I think he wasn't an ex at that time.