Police make arrests as right-wing, anti-fascist groups rally in Portland

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Police make arrests as right-wing, anti-fascist groups rally in Portland

 

Members of the Proud Boys and their supporters march during a rally in Portland, Oregon, U.S., August 17, 2019. REUTERS/Jim Urquhart

 

(Reuters) - Police in Portland, Oregon arrested at least 13 people on Saturday as a right-wing group marched to a downtown waterfront park and anti-fascist counterprotesters scuffled with officers who tried to keep the two sides apart.

 

A rally by hundreds of supporters of the right-wing Proud Boys organization was met by a similar number of “antifa” opponents, and isolated clashes broke out between both sides and between antifa and police as the gathering wrapped up.

 

At least four people were being evaluated by paramedics for minor injuries, according to police. Officers said they seized weapons from multiple groups including bear spray, shields, and metal and wooden poles.

 

Right-wing and anti-fascist factions have clashed in Portland several times in recent months, including a rally that turned violent in July last year.

 

Hours ahead of Saturday’s competing demonstrations, U.S. President Donald Trump said “major consideration” was being given to designating antifa as a terrorist organization.

 

“Portland is being watched very closely. Hopefully the Mayor will be able to properly do his job!” Trump wrote on Twitter.

Ted Wheeler, Portland’s mayor, said he was not concerning himself with tweets from Washington.

 

“And frankly, it’s not helpful,” Wheeler told CNN. “This is a potentially dangerous and volatile situation.”

 

Reporting by Maria Caspani; Editing by Daniel Wallis

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-08-18

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[Chomper Higgot]

‘Proud Boys’ Ha!

 

The photo at the top looks like ‘Village People’ re-loaded.

 

There’s some serious repressed emotions bubbling to the the surface in that bunch of chums.

[canuckamuck]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

‘Proud Boys’ Ha!

 

The photo at the top looks like ‘Village People’ re-loaded.

 

There’s some serious repressed emotions bubbling to the the surface in that bunch of chums.

They look like rather respectable compares to these guys.

[tifino]

 felt a bit like rewatching 'Getting Straight' on the telly last night!

[Boon Mee]

Yes, this Antifa mob will be designated Domestic Terrorists.

Shameful. Going after people with hammers? 

[Jingthing]

‘Proud Boys’ Ha!
 
The photo at the top looks like ‘Village People’ re-loaded.
 
There’s some serious repressed emotions bubbling to the the surface in that bunch of chums.

No free toasters for them.

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[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Yes, this Antifa mob will be designated Domestic Terrorists.

Shameful. Going after people with hammers? 

You of course can list the killings, bombings and mass shootings committed by the Antifa?

 

 

[daoyai]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

‘Proud Boys’ Ha!

 

The photo at the top looks like ‘Village People’ re-loaded.

 

There’s some serious repressed emotions bubbling to the the surface in that bunch of chums.

I assume you think there are gay "proud boys" ?  and mean it as a slur?  From what I understand they do not discriminate against gays in membership.  

 

 I hope they were able to do some damage to the  commie antifa scum, they never start a fight but are ready to defend their constitutional rights.  Ted Wheeler is an antifa supporter. Portland is a mess.

[jesimps]

5 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

They look like rather respectable compares to these guys.

Now that bunch of demented lefty fanatics are scary!

[Spike1938]

4 minutes ago, blazes said:

 

That's a scandalous and desperately ignorant revision of the history of 1918-45.  Those opposed to the Nazis included most of those whom you would (today) call right-wing or even far-right.  In other words, members of the Tory party or the Liberal party.  

 

It is pathetically ignorant to compare the America of today, with all its faults and all its hatred of democracy (aka the Democrat Party), to the fascist state created in Germany post-1933.

You had best re-read history. The communists and socialists in Germany were the ones who stood up to Nazis. And please don't rely on the old saw that the Nazis were socialists because that word appears in their full name. I'll bet you also think Buffalo wings come from buffalos. As the bard said: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" or foul in the case of the Nazis.

[sanemax]

18 minutes ago, pegman said:

From the whining reports I read from some right wing-nut media the good guys kicked some serious fascist/nazi butt today. Next I hope those clowns in the OP photo are tracked down and exposed.

Are the "Proud boys" Nazis/Fascists or just right wing ?

If Antifa attacked Right-wing people , people whom they disagree with , then Anti-fa are behaving like Fascists , and calling people they dont like "Nazis"  as a ways of trying to justify attacking them 

[sanemax]

4 minutes ago, Spike1938 said:

You had best re-read history. The communists and socialists in Germany were the ones who stood up to Nazis. And please don't rely on the old saw that the Nazis were socialists because that word appears in their full name. I'll bet you also think Buffalo wings come from buffalos. As the bard said: "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" or foul in the case of the Nazis.

Getting back to this story though, keeping on topic .

The"Proud boys" are NOT 1930's Nazis and todays anti-fa attackers are NOT resisting 1930's Nazis .

   You are using what happened in the 1930's to justify violent attacks in 2019

[mikebike]

6 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Getting back to this story though, keeping on topic .

The"Proud boys" are NOT 1930's Nazis and todays anti-fa attackers are NOT resisting 1930's Nazis .

   You are using what happened in the 1930's to justify violent attacks in 2019

The PBs are but one faction of modern fascism. They are a male chauvinist group which promotes political violence. It is true that Antifa are are not resisting 1930s Nazis, they are resisting 2019 fascists.

[ivor bigun]

Was watching this on the news,why is it all those on the left always cover their faces and start the trouble?

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[mikebike]

5 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

Was watching this on the news,why is it all those on the left always cover their faces and start the trouble?

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Because the police work for the govt. Have you been watching HK?

[mikebike]

39 minutes ago, blazes said:

It is pathetically ignorant to compare the America of today, with all its faults and all its hatred of democracy (aka the Democrat Party), to the fascist state created in Germany post-1933.

No. It is a very logical comparison for any student of history.

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

Do Antifa also resist the female chauvinist groups , the Femnazis ?

Although some right wing extremists do attach themselves to the PB , the group and the majority of its members are not extremists

"The organization glorifies political violence against leftists, re-enacting political assassinations, wearing shirts that praise Augusto Pinochet's murders of leftists, and participating directly in political violence.^[23][24] McInnes has said "I want violence, I want punching in the face. I'm disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough."^[23][36] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

[Number 6]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

No free toasters for them.

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Is that yet another FSA / Antifa / Wokester demand? Not surprising. 

[sanemax]

3 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

"The organization glorifies political violence against leftists, re-enacting political assassinations, wearing shirts that praise Augusto Pinochet's murders of leftists, and participating directly in political violence.^[23][24] McInnes has said "I want violence, I want punching in the face. I'm disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough."^[23][36] "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

Yes, the fascist left who regularly attack people whom they disagree with , you can understand people wanting to attack them back

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No, because the 'Femnazis' are a figment of the imagination, they don't really exist. 

Except in the erotic imaginings of Rush Limbaugh and company.

[TPI]

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Don’t be get fooled by what looks respectable.

 

And can we please have a link to where you ripped those photos from?

 

 

Oh please! Are you saying that Antifa are just a group of fun loving misunderstood teens?? Oh, that's right International news is run by right wing bigoted rednecks and must not be watched!

[Emdog]

I'm Portland born and bred, lived there til I moved to Asia in 2000.

Portland is fairly liberal city, but we do have our share of violent racists. Murder of Ethiopian refugee Mulugeta Seraw by racist skinheads in 1988. https://www.wweek.com/news/2018/10/31/racist-skinheads-beat-mulugeta-seraw-to-death-on-a-portland-street-thirty-years-later-the-crime-still-echoes/

In 2017 there were two more racist murders as attacker made racist anti-Muslim slurs. The two killed were men who had come to defense of the women. https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2017/05/police_responding_to_ne_portla.html

If those racist fascists want to protest, do it back in your hometown. Don't come to Portland and expect open arms. But I suppose they came to Portland because they figured we don't need that trash in our streets and would let them know.

I wonder how many of antifa are from out of town? We don't need them either. We can handle problems ourselves.

And we don't need occupant of the White House pouring gasoline on fire.

[TPI]

5 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Do you understand the difference between fighting millennia-old repression vs advocating for its resurgence?

 

Anyone who succumbs to the allure of a group who's professed mission is making women second-class citizens is an extremist.

In your opinion?

[ThaiBunny]

5 minutes ago, Emdog said:

Portland is fairly liberal city

I've always thought the ideal situation was to shop and indulge in leisure activities in Portland but live and work across the river in Washington state. No state income taxes in Washington but a high sales tax, no sales tax in Oregon but a graduated income tax rate

Edited August 18, 2019 by ThaiBunny

[blazes]

19 minutes ago, mikebike said:

Uhm... no. 1930s German politics clearly laid out here:

 

 

 

And what point are you trying to prove with this list, pray???

Everyone knows that it was the communists and a few homosexuals who stood up to the Nazis inside Germany.  (And a few brave Germans....)

  However, I was referring to the people (in the UK and its Commonwealth and the USA later) who joined up for the war and "did their bit" (like my own father) to eradicate the poison of fascism from Europe and Japan.  I have no idea whether my father voted for the Tories (most unlikely), but for sure, though working class, he was what I would, at any time, call small "c" conservative, even right-wing in the sense that he never, as far as I know, advocated radical change.  But he sure as hell knew the difference between good and evil.

The ignorant rejection of "the Right" on this particular thread (see ALL of Chomper's contributions) is truly SAD to see, b/c it means that clear-minded debate is pretty well impossible. 

[bristolboy]

29 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Yes, the fascist left who regularly attack people whom they disagree with , you can understand people wanting to attack them back

Sure, the people who praise Pinochet's political assassinations are only against the fascist left? Stop making things up. There is absolutely nothing in what they say that backs up your version and plenty that directly contradicts it. 

[yogi100]

1 hour ago, mikebike said:

The PBs are but one faction of modern fascism. They are a male chauvinist group which promotes political violence. It is true that Antifa are are not resisting 1930s Nazis, they are resisting 2019 fascists.

They're actually described as right wing, anti fascist groups in the topic heading.

 

That tends to imply that the leftists are are the fascists and the right wingers are the decent people trying to resist and subdue their violent behaviour.

 

Throughout the Western world it's usually the left who are the first resort to violence in any political demonstration.

 

Violent left wing thugs win the day only because they accuse the right of being nazis or fascists thereby allowing Hitler's legacy to live on. But what happened in Germany 75 - 90 years ago has no bearing on Western politics in the 21st century.

Edited August 18, 2019 by yogi100

[NightSky]

Violence has no place in a civilized society.

 

However one of the main differences between the rise of Hitlers Far Right Nationalism in the 1930's leading to the terrible events of World War 2 is that today there is a confrontational opposing force to prevent history repeating as such.

 

Government should prevent all of this although they don't always do the right thing do they.

 

 

Edited August 18, 2019 by NightSky

[bristolboy]

15 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Errrm I didnt  say that , stop making things up and then accusing me of making things up...............(and stop being a fascist whilst accusing others of being fascist, whilst you re at it )

Yes you did. Here's what you wrote about who the left wing targets of Proud Boys are:

"Yes, the fascist left who regularly attack people whom they disagree with , you can understand people wanting to attack them back"

 

 

[Shaunduhpostman]

I hope some day the people who think of themselves as Antifa, anti-fascists, will get a grip and stop playing into the hands of the real fascists with this ineffective and pathetic street theater that does nothing but distract and egg on and legitimize people who sympathize with the extreme right. The real fascists are on Wall Street, in the Pentagon, the white house in the senate and the congress. That is who needs to be fought with lawsuits, voter initiatives, community organizing, strategically and well executed boycotts, strikes, protests when necessary, walkouts etc, good public awareness of issues, and voting campaigns.  If Antifa wants to fight fascism they should be helping to organize society to push back against people like the Koch Brothers, oil and food processing multi-billionaires who with their lobbyist and extreme right Citizen's United are gutting every aspect of a free and democratic and humane society that the United States might still have left. And that is just a drop in the bucket. While folks like Antifa carry out street theater, The Koch Brothers push on with getting laws passed that say corporations are people with rights or no campaign contribution limits making major elections into nothing more than auctions for who can pay a candidate the most. That is the real face and root of facism: government purely as an instrument of corporate and finanace's will. The time is now for young people like those in Antifa to wake up shake off their alienation and work with people not put on Ninja clothes and pepper spray them to organize to take back democracy in the United States. That is never impossible or out of the question and it has happened before that Americans have regained some amount of control back from a corporate-fascist controlled system, after President McKinley and the era of the Robber Barons it happened and then again in the 1930's and again we saw the back of McCarthyism. Enough of the unconstitutional and illegal Patriot Act National Security State, enough of election fraud and coronations by super delegate corporate lackey's, enough of a media that merely function to confuse and hoodwink. Enough of a system that tells us journalism and expression of opinions they don't like is terrorism. Politicians need to be taught that if they accept corporate contributions they can take a hike, in a democracy they work for the people that vote them in not the people who pay them off.