UK PM Johnson says 39 billion pound divorce bill not due in no-deal Brexit

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, stephenterry said:

You only have to be on top of things, but apparently you're not.

The question was not put to you. You'd need to be on top of things to answer it properly anyway.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, puipuitom said:

Just wait, what Farage will say about these EU gangsters, when they stop paying his salary and pension per 1 Nov

He won't care. LBC pay more.

[stevenl]

11 minutes ago, Forethat said:

As unlikely it seems, that is what the stat says. Have you checked with the Guardian for the ultimate truth? 

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Foreign_language_skills_statistics

 

I really hope it is higher than I thought.

Your stat is misleading in this context btw, since for a big part of that 35 percent English will be the foreign language.

[Forethat]

8 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I really hope it is higher than I thought.

Your stat is misleading in this context btw, since for a big part of that 35 percent English will be the foreign language.

It's not MY stat, it's the official EU statistics. I appreciate you don't want to recognise it as it contradicts your view, but that is in fact the official statistics.

 

But if you check with the Guardian or any of the other pre-EU organisations I'm sure they will provide a different truth. Probably in the region of 0.1%...

Edited August 26, 2019 by Forethat

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, batata said:

did you read the article, it's all there (source? UK government)

Did you? There was neither article nor link.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, batata said:

the main reason was because they are an island, not part of EU mainland, there must be a (good) reason why (le channel) La Manche is where it is

the main reason was a grumpy French chap who had a big nose and wore a kepi.

Edited August 26, 2019 by nauseus

[Handsome Gardener]

12 hours ago, blazes said:

 

Someone who doesn't understand how markets work (despite all the daily evidence that anyone can read about).  The only thing markets care about is certainty.  Whether the UK goes in or out is beside the point....either result would bring certainty to the currency markets and therefore the pound would move up.  

Absolute nonsense yet you have the nerve to state others don't understand.

 

So on November 1st if the UK has crashed out without a deal, you are predicting the pound will start an uphill climb correct ?

 

You're dreaming !

[Handsome Gardener]

11 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Boris is right to withhold any payment. Obviously TM and her lapdog Ollie Robbins both EU lovers caused this so called divorce bill. Boris is just sticking up for his countries rights.

 

Right so it goes like this :-

 

We AGREE a £39b divorce bill - we then renege on that AGREED deal withholding money as an amateur bargaining chip. The EU don't play ball and the UK get to keep £30b or so - well done UK. But hang on.....

 

Next day the UK calls the EU and says listen lads we've got <deleted> all trade deals of any substance as the US deals are years away and we've walked away from the ones we had with you, oh and you're not getting the £30b we agreed to.

 

Right lets sort out some trade deals together , oh and while we're talking to the US we'd appreciate it if you didn't use your £15trillion GDP advantage over us to undercut us - how do you think that's going to go ?

 

Bojo should be paying that £39b just to grease the wheels of any deals coming down the tracks!

 

Seriously are there ANY brexiteers on here that have even been in business ?

[Handsome Gardener]

5 minutes ago, <deleted> european said:

These people are simply abusing other people. 

What people ?

 

Currency dealers ? They have a simple right indeed duty as currency dealers to make a profit from other peoples stupidity, these opportunities aren't going to come along every day. 

 

How is it abuse ? Its their job

[Handsome Gardener]

11 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Everyone can see how intransigent & petty the EU are being in this deal.

It won't affect deals with other countries.

The world is about to possibly witness Bojo withhold £30b of monies the UK AGREED to - would you deal with me if I withheld £30b I promised you ?

[Forethat]

5 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

The world is about to possibly witness Bojo withhold £30b of monies the UK AGREED to - would you deal with me if I withheld £30b I promised you ?

What are you on about? We haven't agreed to pay a penny. The £39B settlement bill was part of the PROPOSED withdrawal agreement that was rejected by the UK parliament on THREE different occasions. Rejected. 

 

Perhaps you're simply uninformed?

[david555]

18 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

Right so it goes like this :-

 

We AGREE a £39b divorce bill - we then renege on that AGREED deal withholding money as an amateur bargaining chip. The EU don't play ball and the UK get to keep £30b or so - well done UK. But hang on.....

 

Next day the UK calls the EU and says listen lads we've got <deleted> all trade deals of any substance as the US deals are years away and we've walked away from the ones we had with you, oh and you're not getting the £30b we agreed to.

 

Right lets sort out some trade deals together , oh and while we're talking to the US we'd appreciate it if you didn't use your £15trillion GDP advantage over us to undercut us - how do you think that's going to go ?

 

Bojo should be paying that £39b just to grease the wheels of any deals coming down the tracks!

 

Seriously are there ANY brexiteers on here that have even been in business ?

Are you consider this as U.K. blinking ..? E.U. should not accept this as blinking …, just calling it an effort to conclude you go finally pay your "leavers contract breach  bill ".....and then talk about trade

 

Edited August 26, 2019 by david555

[david555]

7 minutes ago, Forethat said:

What are you on about? We haven't agreed to pay a penny. The £39B settlement bill was part of the PROPOSED withdrawal agreement that was rejected by the UK parliament on THREE different occasions. Rejected. 

 

Perhaps you're simply uninformed?

I think you better wake up from that idea , as nothing go move on trade deals with. U.K after Brexit in such case , I am even surprised they took long to react on that treat  , and as you know they are very persistent to follow their announcements  as from Brexit's beginning they never changed their red lines 

[Forethat]

6 minutes ago, david555 said:

I think you better wake up from that idea , as nothing go move on trade deals with. U.K after Brexit in such case , I am even surprised they took long to react on that treat  , and as you know they are very persistent to follow their announcements  as from Brexit's beginning they never changed their red lines 

It appears you miss my point. I'm not commenting on a future negotiating position. My comment aimed to highlight the incorrect claims that UK have agreed to pay EU something. We haven't. We haven't agreed to pay a penny, and we certainly haven't agreed to pay £39B. 

 

Seriously, where do you lot get all of this from? Do you make it up as you go along?

 

Edited August 26, 2019 by Forethat

[david555]

7 minutes ago, Forethat said:

It appears you miss my point. I'm not commenting on a future negotiating position. My comment aimed to highlight the incorrect claims that UK have agreed to pay EU something. We haven't. We haven't agreed to pay a penny, and we certainly haven't agreed to pay £39B. 

 

Seriously, where do you lot get all of this from? Do you make it up as you go along?

 

"Do you make it up as you go along?"

 

Just wait.., don't pay..., and see.., and then remember your question 

No payment no trade deals , you can not read the E.U. message , or you read only selectively what you like to see ?

 

 

Edited August 26, 2019 by david555

[puipuitom]

4 hours ago, Kinnock said:

I'm wasn't a fan of Brexit, but I don't understand what we're paying for in the so-called Divorce deal?

 

Is this like where the ex-wife does not work but still expects to be kept in the style she has become accustomed to?

 

I was strongly Remain and fear for the UK economy - but when I hear demands by the French to continue to fish in our waters, and the threats if we don't pay 39 Billion to enable Italians to take 6 hour lunch breaks, it makes me want the UK to crash out with no deal just for the hell of it.

 

 

Maybe time to do some reading first ?  Google and "UK divorse bill"... starts with… as it is the UK obligations to the budget as agreed… but some time already passed, so less of the budget period left, so .. 39 Bn is already reduced.

Second: where you got the rest of the nonsense from ?  Italians 6 hours lunch break ( google with "working hours per day in Italy" ) … French to continue to fish in UK waters... ( Google with "French fish rights in UK waters after brexit" )  

I know another: British always drunk, cannot behave, always holigans, +

The EU "divorce bill" - Full Fact

https://fullfact.org › europe › eu-divorce-bill

Brexit divorce bill - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Brexit_divorce_bill

Spring naar History of the negotiations - The Brexit financial settlement ('divorce bill') is a sum of money due ... During the 2016 United Kingdom European Union ... decide, it is reasonable that we should make an appropriate contribution.

The EU divorce bill | The Institute for Government

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk › explainers

28 mrt. 2018 - What was under negotiation in the EU divorce bill? ... But it also makes clear that around half consist of payments the UK will make during the ...

Brexit: What would happen if UK decided not to pay the £39bn divorce ...

https://www.independent.co.uk › ... › UK › UK Politics

10 jun. 2019 - The EU says the sum covers commitments already made by the UK at ... of the UK not paying the divorce bill would be to wait for it to be paid.

Brexit: the financial settlement - Commons Library briefing - UK ...

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk › CBP-8039

14 mrt. 2019 - ... 'exit bill' or 'divorce bill' - sets out how the UK and EU will settle their ... the WA's implementation – made up of representatives from the UK ...

Brexit divorce bill: what is it and how does it affect talks? | Politics | The ...

https://www.theguardian.com › politics › jun › brexit-d...

20 jun. 2017 - The precise nature of the bill is dependent on what the relationship ... promises the UK made during its period as a member state are kept, even ...

Brexit: Does the UK owe the EU £39bn? - BBC News

https://www.bbc.co.uk › news › uk-politics-48586677

25 jul. 2019 - He was referring to the UK's "divorce bill" from the European Union (EU). ... EU budget commitments made while the UK was still a member of ...

Brexit divorce bill explained: Why the UK needs to pay the EU to leave ...

https://qz.com › brexit-divorce-bill-explained-why-the-...

21 nov. 2017 - The UK is reportedly thinking of doubling its offer to €40 billion ($47 billion). ... Everything you need to know about the Brexit “divorce bill”.

[Forethat]

25 minutes ago, david555 said:

"Do you make it up as you go along?"

 

Just wait.., don't pay..., and see.., and then remember your question 

No payment no trade deals , you can not read the E.U. message , or you read only selectively what you like to see ?

 

 

I'm sorry mate, but I have NO clue what you're talking about.

You said, quote:

Quote

just calling it an effort to conclude you go finally pay your "leavers contract breach  bill ".

There IS no breach of contract. Your claims are incorrect. You don't don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. No one knows what you're talking about.

 

Just to once again clarify the legal position:

The UK haven't agreed to pay one single penny. The UK are not obliged to pay anything to the EU. There is no breach of contract. There is no agreement.

That's the whole point.

 

 

[david555]

1 minute ago, Forethat said:

I'm sorry mate, but I have NO clue what you're talking about.

You said, quote:

There IS no breach of contract. Your claims are incorrect. You don't don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. No one knows what you're talking about.

 

Just to once again clarify the legal position:

The UK haven't agreed to pay one single penny. The UK are not obliged to pay anything to the EU. There is no breach of contract. There is no agreement.

That's the whole point.

 

 

keep rehearsing that endlessly , but it wont change the fact of that debt existing  ….

Better we stop this as we both are on different opinions and would become endless discussion 

[puipuitom]

3 hours ago, Forethat said:

As unlikely it seems, that is what the stat says. Have you checked with the Guardian for the ultimate truth? 

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Foreign_language_skills_statistics

 

see https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/Foreign_language_skills_statistics

And how many of these 34,6% originate from another country ? And second generation ? I remember, my trading partners in UK, from India, Pakistan etc still learnt (for a big part) the language of their grandparents.

Between 2004 and 2017 the foreign-born population in the UK nearly doubled from 5.3 million to around 9.4 million. In 2017, 39% of the foreign-born population came from EU countries

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_Kingdom  

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/pdfscache/44913.pdf  page 4

https://www.languageonthemove.com/multilingual-europe/

Edited August 26, 2019 by puipuitom

[Forethat]

5 minutes ago, david555 said:

keep rehearsing that endlessly , but it wont change the fact of that debt existing  ….

Better we stop this as we both are on different opinions and would become endless discussion 

It's not opinion. It's a fact. The UK haven't agreed to pay anything. The bill was part of the withdrawal agreement. The EU can, of course, renegotiate the deal and bring the payment into scope, but as long as the agreement is binned, so is the payment.

 

Ever heard of the expression "you can't have your cake and eat it (too)"?

I guess not...

[david555]

15 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

 

 

Maybe time to do some reading first ?  Google and "UK divorse bill"... starts with… as it is the UK obligations to the budget as agreed… but some time already passed, so less of the budget period left, so .. 39 Bn is already reduced.

Second: where you got the rest of the nonsense from ?  Italians 6 hours lunch break ( google with "working hours per day in Italy" ) … French to continue to fish in UK waters... ( Google with "French fish rights in UK waters after brexit" )  

I know another: British always drunk, cannot behave, always holigans, +

 

 

The EU "divorce bill" - Full Fact

 

https://fullfact.org › europe › eu-divorce-bill

Brexit divorce bill - Wikipedia

 

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Brexit_divorce_bill

 

Spring naar History of the negotiations - The Brexit financial settlement ('divorce bill') is a sum of money due ... During the 2016 United Kingdom European Union ... decide, it is reasonable that we should make an appropriate contribution.

 

 

 

The EU divorce bill | The Institute for Government

 

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk › explainers

 

28 mrt. 2018 - What was under negotiation in the EU divorce bill? ... But it also makes clear that around half consist of payments the UK will make during the ...

 

 

 

Brexit: What would happen if UK decided not to pay the £39bn divorce ...

 

https://www.independent.co.uk › ... › UK › UK Politics

 

10 jun. 2019 - The EU says the sum covers commitments already made by the UK at ... of the UK not paying the divorce bill would be to wait for it to be paid.

 

 

 

Brexit: the financial settlement - Commons Library briefing - UK ...

 

https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk › CBP-8039

 

14 mrt. 2019 - ... 'exit bill' or 'divorce bill' - sets out how the UK and EU will settle their ... the WA's implementation – made up of representatives from the UK ...

 

 

 

Brexit divorce bill: what is it and how does it affect talks? | Politics | The ...

 

https://www.theguardian.com › politics › jun › brexit-d...

 

20 jun. 2017 - The precise nature of the bill is dependent on what the relationship ... promises the UK made during its period as a member state are kept, even ...

 

 

 

Brexit: Does the UK owe the EU £39bn? - BBC News

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk › news › uk-politics-48586677

 

25 jul. 2019 - He was referring to the UK's "divorce bill" from the European Union (EU). ... EU budget commitments made while the UK was still a member of ...

 

 

 

Brexit divorce bill explained: Why the UK needs to pay the EU to leave ...

 

https://qz.com › brexit-divorce-bill-explained-why-the-...

 

21 nov. 2017 - The UK is reportedly thinking of doubling its offer to €40 billion ($47 billion). ... Everything you need to know about the Brexit “divorce bill”.

 

I gave op on my opponent, as it is hopeless to see how they see it , finally it is simple, if they believe there is no bill to pay …. let them no pay ….they are happy …, and E.U. not agreed and so don't start ANY trade deal as result …. simple isn't it , both have their way, E.U. don't trade and another stalemate ...End of that story and beginning of other things ...

Edited August 26, 2019 by david555

[zorrow424]

1 hour ago, Handsome Gardener said:

Right so it goes like this :-

 

We AGREE a £39b divorce bill - we then renege on that AGREED deal withholding money as an amateur bargaining chip. The EU don't play ball and the UK get to keep £30b or so - well done UK. But hang on.....

 

Next day the UK calls the EU and says listen lads we've got <deleted> all trade deals of any substance as the US deals are years away and we've walked away from the ones we had with you, oh and you're not getting the £30b we agreed to.

 

Right lets sort out some trade deals together , oh and while we're talking to the US we'd appreciate it if you didn't use your £15trillion GDP advantage over us to undercut us - how do you think that's going to go ?

 

Bojo should be paying that £39b just to grease the wheels of any deals coming down the tracks!

 

Seriously are there ANY brexiteers on here that have even been in business ?

Your nonsense knows no bounds,if this/if that,clueless,keep typing obv it makes you happy ,but is there anyone that takes notice of the never ending <deleted> you pump out

  now a few clues come out at G7,but most importantly 39 billion is in the pocket of Boris,keep it BJ

 Ignorance is supremely bliss is it not?   The UK will piggy back any and all EU trade agreements made previously,  read it in the Guardian

Edited August 26, 2019 by zorrow424

[nontabury]

9 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

How you want to stay friends if you threaten them? 

 

Well that’s exactly what the tin pots in Brussels have been doing for the last 3 yrs. Thankfully it has’t worked, unlike their insistence that the I.R tow the line.

[puipuitom]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Don't know about the other British, but this Brit speaks English, Thai, French, Spanish and German.

I've deliberately forgotten German, now I no longer have to teach it in high school.

I thought I'd managed to forget French as well, but I watched a movie, partly spoken in French last week and sadly could still understand what they were saying.

Many years ago, a London trader told me:

when you speak 2 languages, you are bi-lingual

3 languages: triple-lingual

4 languages.. you are a genuous

1 language.. you are British..

 

bye-the-way: I cannot understand you "forgot" a language. 50 years ago I learnt some Russion, and. a lot I still can read a lot.

Hebrew.. a year later I leant in the plane from Schiphol to Ben Gurion, a 200 words.. still know the most

[david555]

2 minutes ago, Forethat said:

It's not opinion. It's a fact. The UK haven't agreed to pay anything. The bill was part of the withdrawal agreement. The EU can, of course, renegotiate the deal and bring the payment into scope, but as long as the agreement is binned, so is the payment.

 

Ever heard of the expression "you can't have your cake and eat it (too)"?

I guess not...

Whatever you find …. E.U. see different and …. no payment no trade deals …. nothing of all your opinions can change that .

[Handsome Gardener]

1 hour ago, Forethat said:

What are you on about? We haven't agreed to pay a penny. The £39B settlement bill was part of the PROPOSED withdrawal agreement that was rejected by the UK parliament on THREE different occasions. Rejected. 

 

Perhaps you're simply uninformed?

The PROPOSED withdrawal agreement, agreed by the UK democratically elected representative.

 

So answer the question - if its not paid how do you think those future deals are going to go ?

[Forethat]

5 minutes ago, Handsome Gardener said:

The PROPOSED withdrawal agreement, agreed by the UK democratically elected representative.

 

So answer the question - if its not paid how do you think those future deals are going to go ?

Oh, dear me....

No, it wasn't agreed by the UK democratically elected representatives. That's exactly my point. It was rejected. It was in fact all over the news when it happened. As you clearly missed all of this, please find attached a link that should explain things.

https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2019/parliamentary-news-2019/meaningful-vote-on-brexit-resumes-in-the-commons/

 

I'm going to ask one more time; why do you make things up as you go along..?

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[Handsome Gardener]

1 hour ago, Forethat said:

It appears you miss my point. I'm not commenting on a future negotiating position. My comment aimed to highlight the incorrect claims that UK have agreed to pay EU something. We haven't. We haven't agreed to pay a penny, and we certainly haven't agreed to pay £39B. 

 

Seriously, where do you lot get all of this from? Do you make it up as you go along?

 

Its you that's missing the ultimate point (try thinking two steps ahead) - if its not paid there won't be trade deals without a lot of pain - so do you think its better to pay it and get deals worth far in excess of that amount or play the seriously misguided big ex colonial superpower, and tell them to stuff it?

 

Seriously look further than the end of your nose

 

 

[Handsome Gardener]

50 minutes ago, Forethat said:

I'm sorry mate, but I have NO clue what you're talking about.

You said, quote:

There IS no breach of contract. Your claims are incorrect. You don't don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. No one knows what you're talking about.

 

Just to once again clarify the legal position:

The UK haven't agreed to pay one single penny. The UK are not obliged to pay anything to the EU. There is no breach of contract. There is no agreement.

That's the whole point.

 

 

Focus on the 'AGREED BY DAVID CAMERON' bit - verbal contracts are every bit legally enforceable as written. Get it now ?

 

First are the British contributions to the EU budget for 2019 and 2020, payments worth €22bn, which were agreed by David Cameron when he negotiated the EU seven-year funding programme in 2013. 

Edited August 26, 2019 by Handsome Gardener
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