Corbyn 'will do everything necessary' to stop no-deal Brexit

[puipuitom]

16 hours ago, nauseus said:

We won a democratic vote, so we are.

The Brexit referendum got with a lot of cheating, lying and nonsense telling a "Leave" ( without specifying which form of leave) , with just a 51,88%. So, time to ask the people WHICH leave. The Boris no deal, of.. the May deal, or the Norwegian option or... 

Why you Brexiteers are so afraid for the vote of the people WHICH form of leave ? 

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Deflection. 

You might not be interested in my reasons but that wasn't the question was it.

Come on Brexit brigade, 5 good reasons for leaving the EU?

It has been done to death and I for one have no intention of playing games with you. Your post revolve around calling Brexiteers racists, or words of that description. I suspect you may be another poster masquarading as someone else, but whoever you are I personally don't like the tone of your posts.

 

This is just one example of your toxic rhetoric and if this is what you actually believe we certainly don't have anything to say to each other:

Just have the guts to admit the fundamental reason behind most Brexit fans is a pathological and unsubstantiated distrusts of Johnny Foreigner perpetuated by right-wing propaganda that played perfectly to your echo chambers.

 

[sawadee1947]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Brit bashing again. At least you are consistent with your tiresome jealousy.

 

Read ALL my comments in this thread. You can learn a lot. 

[Forethat]

8 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Deflection. 

You might not be interested in my reasons but that wasn't the question was it.

Come on Brexit brigade, 5 good reasons for leaving the EU?

1. Sovereignty

2. EU Law

3. EU Federalist extremism

4. The € disaster

5. Immigration

[sawadee1947]

2 hours ago, transam said:

But I bet you've got bad breath....????

Yeah when I think of bad food, sure. 

But to be honest food is improving 

[Forethat]

2 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

The Brexit referendum got with a lot of cheating, lying and nonsense telling a "Leave" ( without specifying which form of leave) , with just a 51,88%. So, time to ask the people WHICH leave. The Boris no deal, of.. the May deal, or the Norwegian option or... 

Why you Brexiteers are so afraid for the vote of the people WHICH form of leave ? 

Cheating and nonsense?

Are to you referring specifically to the super gonorrhea outbreaks?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

Please do keep trying to delude yourself with your thinly veiled jingoistic nonsense that tries to excuse what is essentially xenophobia masquerading as nationalism but most of us aren't buying it.

We have been a part of Europe for over 45 years so pray tell what part of  historical institutions, Parliament, institutions of trial by jury and the high courts, great schools and universities, the monarchy and The church of England has changed in that time? Last time I checked they were still all there and still very much thriving.

Just have the guts to admit the fundamental reason behind most Brexit fans is a pathological and unsubstantiated distrusts of Johnny Foreigner perpetuated by right-wing propaganda that played perfectly to your echo chambers. You are seeing every major economist warn of the disaster of a no-deal yet you guys just don't care passing it off as 'Project Fear". And when you talk about Britishness becoming 'more and more diluted' what you really mean is those pesky foreigners are diluting your idea of Britishness based upon a long forgotten Empire we steadily (and rightfully) lost over the 20th century. But hey as long as your perceived 'Federalist Superstate' is brought to heel, economic and social disaster is a small price to pay.

 

So save me your pseudo intellectual nonsense and your faux indignation and your musings over the 'British people fear that they are losing their culture, their values and subsequently their place in the world'. It's xenophobia, bigotry and racism plain and simple hiding behind a unconvincing veil of nationalism. And you know it.

 

The remainers quick guide to justification - just slap the racist labels onto leavers in as many places you will think that they will stick - you are wrong and your remarks are not appreciated. 

 

The UK high courts will become even less powerful than they are already, due to increasing primacy of EU law. If we remain in the EU, trial by jury will be one piece of "Britishness" that will go down the plughole in favour of the EU favoured corpus juris, at the expense of habeas corpus. You might favour arbitrary arrest and imprisonment for months without any trial but I don't.

 

The UK great schools and universities are still great but the teaching seems to have become far too politically slanted, which must spoil the teaching and learning process. The monarchy seems to be getting more and more bad press after a slight resurgence in popularity but has also recently been linked to politics, due to Brexit. The C of E has certainly changed, and this Archbishop of Canterbury is now trying involving it in politics unnecessarily too, rather than making a better effort to increase the Christian congregations.

 

All part of the deteriorating British culture. Sad. 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2019 by nauseus

[nauseus]

6 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

The Brexit referendum got with a lot of cheating, lying and nonsense telling a "Leave" ( without specifying which form of leave) , with just a 51,88%. So, time to ask the people WHICH leave. The Boris no deal, of.. the May deal, or the Norwegian option or... 

Why you Brexiteers are so afraid for the vote of the people WHICH form of leave ? 

Nonsense.

[sawadee1947]

1 hour ago, Forethat said:

Why Does Everyone Hate the English?

Must be some truth in it when it comes in TV. 

What about self reflection? 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Forethat said:

1. Sovereignty

2. EU Law

3. EU Federalist extremism

4. The € disaster

5. Immigration

1. The UK remains a sovereign nation with a sovereign Parliament (although Johnson is proposing to replace Parliament with rule by executive).

 

2. All EU laws are subject to parliamentary examination and approval.

 

3. Subjective nonsense.

 

4.... Erm Ed UK does not use the Euro.

 

5. Leaving the EU will not solve immigration.

[puipuitom]

8 hours ago, vogie said:

What would you like the vote to be.

1. Stay in the EU

2. Don't leave the EU

 

Are the British voters not able to choose between more as two options ? 

What do you think of:

- a Leave, whatever the consequences might be = no deal

- a Leave under at least  A DEAL, ( which… there should be a Brit coming on an idea to have an open border with Eire, Maybe the Genius Boris coming 25 days?

- a May Leave

- Common Market 2.0, whatever that might mean, and if the EU would accept it

- an EFTA_EEA plan ( with no other EFTA members left)

- A custom Union ( in whatever form nobody knows)

- The Labour's plan ( if available) 

- The deal the Canadians have

- The Norwegian option

- The Swiss option

- forget a leave completely and stay in (oh .. wait.. THAT's what the Brexiteers want to avoid at all costs) 

 

At the end, the two largest against each other. In MANY countries on this way the president is elected. Maybe any Brit can inform in... Argentina, Peru, 

[3NUMBAS]

millions more labour voters will be deserting the labour party for good ..the idiots dont have a clue about where theyre headed

[nauseus]

21 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Deflection. 

You might not be interested in my reasons but that wasn't the question was it.

Come on Brexit brigade, 5 good reasons for leaving the EU?

1 Full control of our military assets.

2 Full control of our borders.

3 Full control of UK law.

4 Full control of our economy.

5 Full control of our trading arrangements.

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

Countries trade with each other without trade agreements. It's not the be all and end all.

The UK buys vast amounts of products from China (over 45 billion) without any deals in place.

 

Currently, because the UK is a member of the EU, and because the EU doesn’t have a free trade agreement with China, the UK doesn’t have one either.

Beijing has made it clear that it would welcome an FTA with the UK with “open arms” and has stated that it would make a “top notch” deal.

 

I'm sure they would much rather have a great deal with the USA though!

The EU is negociating already some time with China. But of course, Borit the Genious can do this in a few days ( when he does not insult them as he did as minister of Foreign Affairs to the Birmese, despite warnings of his ambassador there... )

[Laughing Gravy]

24 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Read ALL my comments in this thread. You can learn a lot. 

Sadly I have and you Brit bash, as you did with the comment on here about British culture.

[sunnyboy2018]

17 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Yes, the few who believe that a no deal Brexit will be good for the UK against the many who know it will be economic suicide!

 

I'm no fan of Corbyn, but I do support him in his efforts to stop that disaster. Though he'll have more support if he were to forget plans for him to be caretaker PM.

 

At least Corbyn is seeking a democratic way ahead, unlike Johnson and his threats to suspend Parliament.

 

I thought you Brexiteers were big fans of democracy?

Yes we had a democratic vote and won! Three years later cowards, knaves and liars are still trying to thwart democracy. 

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/07/23/brexit-the-great-betrayal/

 

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Are the British voters not able to choose between more as two options ? 

What do you think of:

- a Leave, whatever the consequences might be = no deal

- a Leave under at least  A DEAL, ( which… there should be a Brit coming on an idea to have an open border with Eire, Maybe the Genius Boris coming 25 days?

- a May Leave

- Common Market 2.0, whatever that might mean, and if the EU would accept it

- an EFTA_EEA plan ( with no other EFTA members left)

- A custom Union ( in whatever form nobody knows)

- The Labour's plan ( if available) 

- The deal the Canadians have

- The Norwegian option

- The Swiss option

- forget a leave completely and stay in (oh .. wait.. THAT's what the Brexiteers want to avoid at all costs) 

 

At the end, the two largest against each other. In MANY countries on this way the president is elected. Maybe any Brit can inform in... Argentina, Peru, 

For someone who is trying their damnest to get rid of us, by your self admission you have said you will be glad when we have gone. So you surely can see when you are giving the UK so many options to remain how confusing that would appear to most people.

 

Are the British voters not able to choose between more as two options ? 

 

What you seem to forget is, is that the British voters have already chosen our future, we chose to leave the EU, with a deal or if our MPs and Brussels cannot work out a deal that is satisfactory to both parties, we leave with no deal. We need a clean break, not one hand tied around our back and one leg in the door and the other leg out.

[Laughing Gravy]

15 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

Are the British voters not able to choose between more as two options ? 

Yes they are but unlike the Dutch the Prime Ministers have said they will respect the referendum result.

 

Difficult for many EU countries to understand I know but we call it respecting democracy, not lets vote (or ignore) until we get the result we want.

[sunnyboy2018]

29 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

The Brexit referendum got with a lot of cheating, lying and nonsense telling a "Leave" ( without specifying which form of leave) , with just a 51,88%. So, time to ask the people WHICH leave. The Boris no deal, of.. the May deal, or the Norwegian option or... 

Why you Brexiteers are so afraid for the vote of the people WHICH form of leave ? 

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/07/23/brexit-the-great-betrayal/

[sunnyboy2018]

32 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

The Brexit referendum got with a lot of cheating, lying and nonsense telling a "Leave" ( without specifying which form of leave) , with just a 51,88%. So, time to ask the people WHICH leave. The Boris no deal, of.. the May deal, or the Norwegian option or... 

Why you Brexiteers are so afraid for the vote of the people WHICH form of leave ? 

Because the so called options are variants of remaining. Leave means leave. No mention of these variants were mentioned by the remainers during the campaign. It was a post result tactic to block the democratic vote. With regards to lieing: A judicial review found there was no case to be answered and that lies were told by both sides. Anti Brexit operation fear has generated more lies than any political campaign in history.

[sunnyboy2018]

4 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

Btw what is British culture? 

Bickering

Cherry picking? 

Dreaming of a Great Empire? 

Adoring a royal pet family? 

Living in the past? 

Bad food? 

Bad weather even? 

Enough with your ignorant rants. They contribute nothing.

[transam]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

Go on then. Tell me about the economic benefits of all this? Just give me 5 good reasons that don't include 'controlling our own borders' or immigration for a no-deal Brexit? 

I can certainly give you 5 good reasons for staying in the EU.

Not interested in "your" money interests, I am interested in the UK getting it's self back to being the UK...

[transam]

50 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

The Brexit referendum got with a lot of cheating, lying and nonsense telling a "Leave" ( without specifying which form of leave) , with just a 51,88%. So, time to ask the people WHICH leave. The Boris no deal, of.. the May deal, or the Norwegian option or... 

Why you Brexiteers are so afraid for the vote of the people WHICH form of leave ? 

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaah, I can't believe you wrote that....????

 

PS. How many times do you have to be told that the UK voted to leave the EU. I am very sorry if you are worried about your cash but you must blame your situation on the way the EU has been run and turned out to be a "Lemon"...

[sawadee1947]

28 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Sadly I have and you Brit bash, as you did with the comment on here about British culture.

You should read not guess 

[sawadee1947]

11 minutes ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Enough with your ignorant rants. They contribute nothing.

That hurts, doesn't it? As truth always does ????

[Baerboxer]

18 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Yes, the few who believe that a no deal Brexit will be good for the UK against the many who know it will be economic suicide!

 

I'm no fan of Corbyn, but I do support him in his efforts to stop that disaster. Though he'll have more support if he were to forget plans for him to be caretaker PM.

 

At least Corbyn is seeking a democratic way ahead, unlike Johnson and his threats to suspend Parliament.

 

I thought you Brexiteers were big fans of democracy?

 

Johnson, and his advisers, are now formally asking HMQ to suspend parliament.

 

This is their big gamble. May gambled she could use the Royal Prerogative to push a deal acceptable to herself through and lost. Johnson and his team think they've found a way to by-pass parliament and run the clock down. 

 

Every politician must drag themselves out of the cesspit and vote this small gang of elitist Tory far right brigands out through a no confidence vote. Otherwise a precedent will be set by which any sitting PM could do the same to push through or stop opposition to any legislation or events he/she fancies.

 

This Tory clique is dragging HMQ into politics which may well back-fire on them.

 

As much as I despise Corbyn and his marxist terrorist supporting cronies, we need them to put the countries interests first and not their own agenda.

 

This constitutional crisis is now bigger than Brexit and leaving or remaining. It's a small group trying to thwart British democracy. 

[Baerboxer]

18 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Good man. 

 

Only he really should be doing all he can to ensure the British people are given the opportunity to express their wishes on ALL alternatives again, including remaining with the deal we have; any no deal options and of course no deal for the die hard Brexiters.

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Only he really should be doing all he can to ensure the British people are given the opportunity to express their wishes on ALL alternatives again, including remaining with the deal we have; any no deal options and of course no deal for the die hard Brexiters.

It has to be said BB, 'god loves a trier'. The British have expressed their wishes, we voted to leave, the only people that wants another bite of the cherry is the losers. You know yourself if we had another vote and the leavers won again, that vote also would not be respected/honoured by the remainers.

How would you define the difference between a hard Brexiteer and a soft Brexiteer?

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, Forethat said:

1. Sovereignty

2. EU Law

3. EU Federalist extremism

4. The € disaster

5. Immigration

1. Never lost it. 

2. EU law has done more good for the man on the street than harm. Whether it be the Working Time Directive, women’s rights, environmental law, minimum wages again the myth of EU law being bad just doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. 

3. Right wing made up nonsense. 

4. How is a disaster? It’s held fairly strong against the dollar and anyway the uk doesn’t use it. 

5. The real reason (although I did say 5 reasons without talking about immigration).  

[transam]

30 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Johnson, and his advisers, are now formally asking HMQ to suspend parliament.

 

This is their big gamble. May gambled she could use the Royal Prerogative to push a deal acceptable to herself through and lost. Johnson and his team think they've found a way to by-pass parliament and run the clock down. 

 

Every politician must drag themselves out of the cesspit and vote this small gang of elitist Tory far right brigands out through a no confidence vote. Otherwise a precedent will be set by which any sitting PM could do the same to push through or stop opposition to any legislation or events he/she fancies.

 

This Tory clique is dragging HMQ into politics which may well back-fire on them.

 

As much as I despise Corbyn and his marxist terrorist supporting cronies, we need them to put the countries interests first and not their own agenda.

 

This constitutional crisis is now bigger than Brexit and leaving or remaining. It's a small group trying to thwart British democracy. 

More like a small group trying to implement what the UK voted for eh....

Plus a large group of MP's trying to thwart what the UK voted for..