7 hours ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

Still waiting on an answer from you about which other countries want to leave the EU.............or, are you just making stuff up as you go along (bit like the Brexit campaign itself).

 

At the moment, no other countries, other than the U.K. have voted to leave the E.u. However in many E.u. Countries their is an ever increasing number of people who do wish to escape the clutches of the unelected Bureaucrats in Brussels. Time will tell,and that’s what those same Brussel  Bureaucrats are afraid of.

1 minute ago, nontabury said:

 

But you are in support of M.P’s blocking the Democratic decision of the British people, who took part in the U.K’s largest EVER vote.Likewise many of those same M.P’s who are now threatening our nation, stood at the last G.E. on a manifesto of respecting and implement the people’s vote.

 

 

It was clearly stated the referendum was none binding...

The voters were lied too...

Never at any time were voters told that they may be voting for a no deal brexit...

Nearly 50% of voters voted to remain...

 

The real traitors are the so called government and Prime Minister who are hell bent on overruling the sovereignty of Parliament.

 

There has already been a ruling on this by the Supreme Court which clearly ruled that the government can not ignore the wishes of Parliament.

https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2016-0196-judgment.pdf  

7 minutes ago, Basil B said:

It was clearly stated the referendum was none binding...

The voters were lied too...

Never at any time were voters told that they may be voting for a no deal brexit...

Nearly 50% of voters voted to remain...

 

The real traitors are the so called government and Prime Minister who are hell bent on overruling the sovereignty of Parliament.

 

There has already been a ruling on this by the Supreme Court which clearly ruled that the government can not ignore the wishes of Parliament.

https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2016-0196-judgment.pdf  

Eehh...yes, you are correct: the referendum was not binding. However, when the Parliament voted they did so with a bill in front of them. The bill passed and by parliamentary and democratic proceedings it became law.

 

It's a law. UK must exit from the EU. A law. The Parliament voted. And the ayes got it. A law.

Do you get it?

7 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

When were the British people aware that no deal was a distinct pssibility, let alone a racing certainty, as it is now. Not before the referendum took place. All recent polls have shown only a minority in favour of a no deal Brexit.

 

So what did the British people, think when they voted to leave this so called union.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, aright said:

The Speaker's job is Referee . If he wanted to be a player he should have turned down the Speakership.

Bercow talking about 'constitutional outrage' is priceless.  Coming from someone who is supposed to be impartial who has 'by hook and by crook' dug up every means to stop Brexit is a hypocrite in a powerful position where people have the right to expect impartiality.

Not so long ago the Speaker disregarded precedent to  allow an amendment to a motion previously regarded as non amendable and facilitating back benchers seizing control of the Parliamentary timetable (described at the time as a 'coup without tanks') is palpably undemocratic when used to frustrate the popular will.

 

As a matter of interest how can Boris' plan to suspend Parliament be a constitutional outrage" if the Queen( and her constitutional advisors) have approved it.

there has never been to my knowledge an impartial speaker of the Commons as all have political affiliations, but while many point to John Bercow's preference for remain, what is really upsetting Brexiteers is his stance on the Sovereignty of Parliament being greater than that of the Government or Prime Minister. 

18 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Eehh...yes, you are correct: the referendum was not binding. However, when the Parliament voted they did so with a bill in front of them. The bill passed and by parliamentary and democratic proceedings it became law.

 

It's a law. UK must exit from the EU. A law. The Parliament voted. And the ayes got it. A law.

Do you get it?

and Parliament has a right to change its mind...

16 minutes ago, Basil B said:

and Parliament has a right to change its mind...

But it hasnt. Anyway the title of this thread should be changed. The queen has accepted the request.

11 minutes ago, Basil B said:

and Parliament has a right to change its mind...

They do. I have previously described the process for repealing a law. Here is an overview. Note that the average time to prepare the statutory instruments and get them in front of the committee, the DLC, debated and finally approved in both houses is 6-7 weeks.

 

I bet the POTUS wishes that he could "suspend" the house of Representatives for the remainder of his term!

3 hours ago, sotonowl said:

Makes me wonder why you opened the thread up in the first place and took time to comment on it.

Perhaps because our European friends are worried on two fronts.

1/ Loss Of our charitable contributions.

2/ Other E.U. Countries will follow our example.

 

 

50 minutes ago, Basil B said:

there has never been to my knowledge an impartial speaker of the Commons as all have political affiliations, but while many point to John Bercow's preference for remain, what is really upsetting Brexiteers is his stance on the Sovereignty of Parliament being greater than that of the Government or Prime Minister. 

Are you making this up as you go, it's senseless stuff

So Boris has beaten the Remainers in the trickery stakes for once. Even Piers Morgan says suck it up Remoaners. According to one of his tweeters “Remainers have been plotting their strategy for months. Boris just wakes up one day and wipes them out in a single morning. Legendary.”


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10 hours ago, vogie said:

Many would say ignoring a democratic referendum is not in the best interest of the country, especially when the voters were promised that their vote would be respected, also it would not be in the interest of democracy. The only people that could possibly argue againgst this are people that don't believe in democracy and/or the vote did not go the way they wanted.

IMO Cameron made a grievous error of judgement with formulating the referendum terms. The percentile margin in favour of Brexit was minuscule which has led to three years of spinning wheels, loss of opportunity and fractured politics. Brexit economic damage...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/feb/14/brexit-has-cost-uk-economy-at-least-80bn-since-vote-bank-of-england-rate-setter

13 hours ago, Sticky Wicket said:

It's nothing to do with taking sides

Of course it does. If she agrees to help Boris avoid the democracy of the Parliament, then she is agreeing with Brexit. If she believes in the British democracy, the authority of Parliament, then she says nothing and lets things unfold as they should. Is she on the side of the People and the democratic system of government or is she supporting Brexit?

13 hours ago, Pilotman said:

It's not a case of her taking sides, 'prorogation; is the term and it is for the Government to request it and the Queen, as Constitutional Head of State, to grant it.  It has been done before and although the opposition and the remoaners will no doubt  scream blue murder, it's a wise decision, given that the UK parliament doesn't know its <deleted> from its elbow 

Is she required to grant it? Does she have no choice?

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

More to the point, should she ever be put in the position in which her actions are so necessarily partisan?!

Exactly.

15 minutes ago, GalaxyMan said:

Is she required to grant it? Does she have no choice?

It's just protocol.

The queen acts on the advice of the Privy Council, which is her senior ministers. So in this case, the queen will follow the advice of her prime minister and ministers to prorogue parliament.

 

It's not an absolute monarchy unlike some others!

 

7 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

You know I should be supporting the Brexit fundamentalists.

Scottish independence is guaranteed with a hard Brexit.

But I honestly cannot stand to see my friends and neighbors commit such an act of self harm. And for what? A blue passport that actually looks black and under EU rules could have been any colour you wanted it to be?

Brexit is going to be a disaster. Whether its a soft Brexit or a hard Brexit.

The only people who are going to benefit from Brexit are the very rich because at all costs they want to avoid the anti tax evasion/avoidance legislation the EU want to bring in to curb the use of offshore tax havens.

Brexiteers are going to beggar the country so the rich can avoid tax. Thats it in a nutshell. 

Is that what you really want?   

Unfortunately the average Brexiteer is too blinded by their own jingoism, xenophobia and racism to see what is in plain sight. I have given up on hoping that they will wake up and see what's actually happening before their very eyes. The analogy with Trump's base becomes more of a truism every day. They're a lost cause which will bring about another lost generation in the UK.

2 hours ago, nontabury said:

Perhaps because our European friends are worried on two fronts.

1/ Loss Of our charitable contributions.

2/ Other E.U. Countries will follow our example.

 

 

"2/ Other E.U. Countries will follow our example."

 

2/ That shall stay only a dream for ever after the world see the mess you made out of the U.K. now 5555 lol 

13 hours ago, GalaxyMan said:

Would she really actively take sides like that?

Not at all, you seem to think that the Queen can realistically do anything other than what the current Prime Minister requests.

 

Consider it a rubber stamping operation because that's what it is.

 

It would be the scandal of the millennia if the Queen refused to do what's being asked by the current Prime Minister.

 

We're talking about a Cromwell type Lord Protector scenario, which is why it would simply never happen, ever.

5 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

It's just protocol.

The queen acts on the advice of the Privy Council, which is her senior ministers. So in this case, the queen will follow the advice of her prime minister and ministers to prorogue parliament.

 

It's not an absolute monarchy unlike some others!

 

It's not just protocol. She had a choice. She was well within her rights to refuse to prorogue her parliament. If she had been the people's queen and had any respect for her own parliament, that's what she would have done.

 

However, she decided to side with her own, Reece Mogg, Johnson and the rest of the Eton and Oxford upper class twits, showing her true colours. Not the people's queen, the head of an establishment that ensures that the UK is the most class concious country in the Western World.

 

Post brexit, there will no doubt be an even more vociferous campaign to remove her and her fetid brood from what's left of the UK. They can go back to Germany and live out their days there, no longer a burden on the british treasury.

 

 

5 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

It's not just protocol. She had a choice. She was well within her rights to refuse to prorogue her parliament. If she had been the people's queen and had any respect for her own parliament, that's what she would have done.

 

However, she decided to side with her own, Reece Mogg, Johnson and the rest of the Eton and Oxford upper class twits, showing her true colours. Not the people's queen, the head of an establishment that ensures that the UK is the most class concious country in the Western World.

 

Post brexit, there will no doubt be an even more vociferous campaign to remove her and her fetid brood from what's left of the UK. They can go back to Germany and live out their days there, no longer a burden on the british treasury.

 

 

Pure fantasy , grow up and stop posting such dross. You are embarrassing yourself immensely. You have LOST, we are leaving!

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

It's not just protocol. She had a choice. She was well within her rights to refuse to prorogue her parliament. If she had been the people's queen and had any respect for her own parliament, that's what she would have done.

 

However, she decided to side with her own, Reece Mogg, Johnson and the rest of the Eton and Oxford upper class twits, showing her true colours. Not the people's queen, the head of an establishment that ensures that the UK is the most class concious country in the Western World.

 

Post brexit, there will no doubt be an even more vociferous campaign to remove her and her fetid brood from what's left of the UK. They can go back to Germany and live out their days there, no longer a burden on the british treasury.

 

 

Absolutely clueless regarding Britain's history and the integral role the Royals played in shaping the country. 

How far do you want to go back?

We tried a republic during the last Civil War, it was a disaster and almost ended up with military dictatorship.

 

King Harold and William the Conqueror who fought in 1066 were both Vikings. How about sending her back to Scandinavia 

In Belgium King Baudoin refused to sign the law about abortion, out of conscience (1990). 

He was declared by Parliament in the impossibility to raign for 36 hours. 

The abortion law was implemented in this period, thus without the Kings signature. 

 

The King expressed his opinion, showing He was not a marionette. 

 

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

So Boris has beaten the Remainers in the trickery stakes for once. Even Piers Morgan says suck it up Remoaners. According to one of his tweeters “Remainers have been plotting their strategy for months. Boris just wakes up one day and wipes them out in a single morning. Legendary.”


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You actually believe that Bozo Boris came up with this cunning plan? 555

 

It's entirely the work of Dominic Cummings, without whom there would be no Brexit, no PM Boris and no cunning plan to handcuff parliament. A modern day Machiavelli.

Well, my Queen approved it. Onward we march towards Oct. 31!! God Save The Queen!

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3 hours ago, nontabury said:

 

At the moment, no other countries, other than the U.K. have voted to leave the E.u. However in many E.u. Countries their is an ever increasing number of people who do wish to escape the clutches of the unelected Bureaucrats in Brussels. Time will tell,and that’s what those same Brussel  Bureaucrats are afraid of.

Brexit by example. welcome to join, but you can never leave......

Terrific move on BoJo's part! 

He's making Britain great again! ???? 

 Her Majesty being well respected and untouchable, will Her decision have any impact on the British Remainers? 

There is a possibility that some British Leavers claim that Her Majesty is on their side.