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6 minutes ago, Forethat said:

I can only expect him to have completed his defection by securing something with the LD as BJ surely has no option but to call a snap election - in which Dr Lee won't stand as he'll be thrown out of Tories head first.

I think you’ll falling behind, there won’t be an election without no deal assurances tied to the necessary labour approval.

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19 minutes ago, evadgib said:

When Farages revolution is complete I hope to see automatic bi-elections being automatically triggered by anyone Jumping ship and for them to be suspended (lose the whip) until re elected.

 

What about any MP who defies their party Whips; especially government MPs who repeatedly vote against the government like Rees-Mogg?

 

Surely any such radical change to our Parliamentary system should include them as well?

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33 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

What about my MP, Jonathan Lord, a Brexiteer?

 

His constituency, Woking, voted by 56.2% to 43.8% to remain. 

 

Does he, in your opinion, believe in democracy?

 

Or do you believe that Remain MPs representing Leave constituencies should resign, but Leave MPs representing Remain constituencies can stay?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did your man cross the House ?

 

The combined votes count in a referendum and that result was to leave - that is what your MP should be working towards. If he believes passionately for remain, then he should stand down and put himself forward as a Lib Dem or any other remain party..... Change UK perhaps.

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3 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Did your man cross the House ?

 

The combined votes count in a referendum and that result was to leave - that is what your MP should be working towards. If he believes passionately for remain, then he should stand down and put himself forward as a Lib Dem or any other remain party..... Change UK perhaps.

blah blah blah - welcome to trench warfare with Herr Kommandant Bercow leading us out of the abyss.....

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On 8/29/2019 at 3:44 PM, bannork said:

The electorate were promised a very sweet deal and that's what they voted for, but it's turning out to be a load of nonsense.:

More money for the NHS

Vote Leave’s battle bus said: “We send the EU £350 million a week. Let’s fund our NHS instead”

 

 More money for farmers

“The UK government will continue to give farmers and the environment as much support – or perhaps even more – as they get now.” – George Eustice, Minister for Farming, Food and Marine Environment

 

 More money for scientists

“If we Vote Leave, we will be able to increase funding to science and still save billions” –Vote Leave

 

And no short-term economic disruption

“After we Vote Leave, there won’t be a sudden change that disrupts the economy.” – Boris Johnson, Gisela Stuart and Michael Gove

 

We’ll get brand new trade deals all over the world

“We would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals… which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU” – Chris Grayling

here’ll be no damage to trade with the EU

“There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it… Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave… The idea that our trade will suffer because we stop imposing terrible rules such as the Clinical Trial Directive is silly.” Vote Leave

 

The Leavers promised the earth, not an isolated small country living in the past.

 

 

 

and what happened after the vote? may made a pigs ear of her election campaign[looking back in hindsight she probably did it deliberatly] then spent the next 3 years scratching herself and having a jive to an abba record,before trying to present a scheme,sorry deal that wasn,t worth the paper it was written  on and would have kept us in the eu for ever,boris has done more in 3 weeks than may did in 3 years still thats what happens when you send a woman to do a mans job,margeret thatcher must be turning in her grave.

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tories will fillibusta any attempts at new laws ..oct31 is in law so they cant change anything ..the lords can stop any new laws going thru ..boris is going to sack any remainers so their jobs are gone in next GE and the dole queue awaits them .. all desperate people
Bully-boy tactics not working out so well this evening.

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Did your man cross the House ?
 
The combined votes count in a referendum and that result was to leave - that is what your MP should be working towards. If he believes passionately for remain, then he should stand down and put himself forward as a Lib Dem or any other remain party..... Change UK perhaps.
He wasn't elected on a no-deal platform and nor was anybody else. BTW, how did UKIP do in the election?

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22 hours ago, Jip99 said:
22 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

What about my MP, Jonathan Lord, a Brexiteer?

 

His constituency, Woking, voted by 56.2% to 43.8% to remain. 

 

Does he, in your opinion, believe in democracy?

 

Or do you believe that Remain MPs representing Leave constituencies should resign, but Leave MPs representing Remain constituencies can stay?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Did your man cross the House ?

 

The combined votes count in a referendum and that result was to leave - that is what your MP should be working towards. If he believes passionately for remain, then he should stand down and put himself forward as a Lib Dem or any other remain party..... Change UK perhaps.

 Question dodged; the usual tactic from Brexiteers.

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I think I know the maths- only 37% of the electorate voted for Brexit.
And of that 37%, zero % voted for a No Deal Brexit.
Yes, and less than that percentage of 37% voted to stay.

And the reason zero % voted for a No Deal was because that wasn't on the voting form. It was a straight Leave or Remain. Nothing whatsoever to do with 'leave with a deal'.


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The electorate were promised a very sweet deal and that's what they voted for, but it's turning out to be a load of nonsense.:
More money for the NHS
Vote Leave’s battle bus said: “We send the EU £350 million a week. Let’s fund our NHS instead”
 
 More money for farmers
“The UK government will continue to give farmers and the environment as much support – or perhaps even more – as they get now.” – George Eustice, Minister for Farming, Food and Marine Environment
 
 More money for scientists
“If we Vote Leave, we will be able to increase funding to science and still save billions” –Vote Leave
 
And no short-term economic disruption
“After we Vote Leave, there won’t be a sudden change that disrupts the economy.” – Boris Johnson, Gisela Stuart and Michael Gove
 
We’ll get brand new trade deals all over the world
“We would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals… which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU” – Chris Grayling
here’ll be no damage to trade with the EU
“There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it… Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave… The idea that our trade will suffer because we stop imposing terrible rules such as the Clinical Trial Directive is silly.” Vote Leave
 
The Leavers promised the earth, not an isolated small country living in the past.
 
 
 
What you posted is nothing wha6to do with a deal with the zEU.

Typical Remoaner, always twisting figures in the hope that one might be approaching accuracy one fine day.

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And nobody voted for a No Deal Brexit. They just voted for Leave with lots of promises of how painless it would be.
Now we know how difficult it will be to forge new trading links, and how long these are likely to take, a new referendum is necessary to see if the public are willing to undergo the necessary economic suffering.
You still don't seem to get it.

The words on the form was to either leave the EU or not. Got it yet?

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43 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said:

What you posted is nothing wha6to do with a deal with the zEU.

Typical Remoaner, always twisting figures in the hope that one might be approaching accuracy one fine day.

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41 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said:

You still don't seem to get it.

The words on the form was to either leave the EU or not. Got it yet?

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Dry your eyes and hope that Cummings Boris can earn his keep in the next round.

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44 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said:
On 8/29/2019 at 3:44 PM, bannork said:
The electorate were promised a very sweet deal and that's what they voted for, but it's turning out to be a load of nonsense.:
More money for the NHS
Vote Leave’s battle bus said: “We send the EU £350 million a week. Let’s fund our NHS instead”
 
 More money for farmers
“The UK government will continue to give farmers and the environment as much support – or perhaps even more – as they get now.” – George Eustice, Minister for Farming, Food and Marine Environment
 
 More money for scientists
“If we Vote Leave, we will be able to increase funding to science and still save billions” –Vote Leave
 
And no short-term economic disruption
“After we Vote Leave, there won’t be a sudden change that disrupts the economy.” – Boris Johnson, Gisela Stuart and Michael Gove
 
We’ll get brand new trade deals all over the world
“We would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals… which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU” – Chris Grayling
here’ll be no damage to trade with the EU
“There is a European free trade zone from Iceland to the Russian border and we will be part of it… Britain will have access to the Single Market after we vote leave… The idea that our trade will suffer because we stop imposing terrible rules such as the Clinical Trial Directive is silly.” Vote Leave
 
The Leavers promised the earth, not an isolated small country living in the past.
 
 
 

What you posted is nothing wha6to do with a deal with the zEU.

 But it's what was promised by Leave campaigners during the campaign!

 

44 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said:

Typical Remoaner, always twisting figures in the hope that one might be approaching accuracy one fine day.

No twisting at all; just accurate quotes from prominent Leavers.

 

42 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said:

You still don't seem to get it.

The words on the form was to either leave the EU or not. Got it yet?

Yes, and as has been repeatedly shown, the Leave campaign didn't just refuse to discuss the possibility of a no deal Brexit and it's consequences, they actively denied that it was even a remote possibility.

 

We were conned in 2016, and Cummings is still at it.

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Posted
22 hours ago, bannork said:

 You don't seem to understand how helpless the UK will be if it leaves with no deal.

 

Which is not the point of the OP.  Stick to the point, which is what the referendum voting form said.

 

As for the crystal ball gazing, no-one has the faintest idea what will happen once the UK leaves the EU.  People are only guessing.

Posted
22 hours ago, Slip said:

 

Dry your eyes and hope that Cummings Boris can earn his keep in the next round.

What on earth has that got to do with the wording on the referendum voting form?

Posted
33 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said:

Which is not the point of the OP.  Stick to the point, which is what the referendum voting form said.

 I've just finished reading the OP, three times just to be sure, and can find no reference in it to the referendum ballot paper; or to use your parlance, voting form.

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41 minutes ago, Mister Fixit said:

What on earth has that got to do with the wording on the referendum voting form?

It was in reference to this quote from you:

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My suggestion was that you should stop crying and hope your rabble can do better tomorrow than today.  If you want to apply such a strict on-topic set of rules, then you really should abide by them yourself rather than being deflected in the direction of cheap insults aimed at those you don't agree with.

 

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The Hard Brexiteers don't care. Their priority is English Nationalism and any economic downside is acceptable collateral damage.

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Yep, that’s about it really but we will let the rest of the Union share in the spoils after Brexit. That’s if some of them are still with us, or not if agin’ us.
The imaginary economic downside is only Remainer propaganda. The current currency fluctuations are not a particular problem for the UK, so Remainers wailing about it in Thailand are exactly what you describe - acceptable collateral damage.
Sorry for the Brexiteers who endure with stoicism, but the Remainers can suck it up. If they cause more delays they they will have to just continue in their pain.
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21 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The imaginary economic downside is only Remainer propaganda

 

There the "Project Fear" from some, opposed to the "Over-Optimistic Syndrome" from others. 

 

Time will tell. 

 

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