2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m guessing but I suspect you are more concerned with the global reach of her message.

 

Beats half a dozen likes on TVF into a basket.

His comment about the video of Thunberg was a way to take a cheap shot masquerading as concern.

Edited September 21, 20196 yr by bristolboy

1 hour ago, chokrai said:

You think she came up with any of this nonsense by herself?  It is just a big virtue signaling stunt by her parents, and of course Liberals swallow it whole as usual. Someone will end up making money off of her of course. 

You do understand that ‘virtue signaling’ has no fixed association with ‘virtue’ and is equally applicable to broadcasting spite, hatred and other such undesirable traits to an audience that shares those traits?!

 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You do understand that ‘virtue signaling’ has no fixed association with ‘virtue’ and is equally applicable to broadcasting spite, hatred and other such undesirable traits to an audience that shares those traits?!

 

Also, he offers absolutely no evidence to support his contention. Odd how it exactly suits his political biases.

4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Also, he offers absolutely no evidence to support his contention. Odd how it exactly suits his political biases.

I don't know why you talk so often about political biases, i think that doesn't apply to many posters in this thread.

One is tempted to think that those political biases are all yours, and not other people's.

 

46 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I don't know why you talk so often about political biases, i think that doesn't apply to many posters in this thread.

One is tempted to think that those political biases are all yours, and not other people's.

 

Of course. Silly of me. Clearly the person who wrote this:

 

"You think she came up with any of this nonsense by herself?  It is just a big virtue signaling stunt by her parents, and of course Liberals swallow it whole as usual. Someone will end up making money off of her of course."

 

has no animus in him against liberals at all. 

 

•  

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Of course. Silly of me. Clearly the person who wrote this:

 

"You think she came up with any of this nonsense by herself?  It is just a big virtue signaling stunt by her parents, and of course Liberals swallow it whole as usual. Someone will end up making money off of her of course."

 

has no animus in him against liberals at all. 

 

•  

Well, that person clearly has some political biases, i can't deny that.

But i think that environmental issues are above political parties or factions, and it's wrong to think that only leftists or liberal are aware of the problem, while conservative parties or factions are in denial.

10 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Well, that person clearly has some political biases, i can't deny that.

But i think that environmental issues are above political parties or factions, and it's wrong to think that only leftists or liberal are aware of the problem, while conservative parties or factions are in denial.

Looking at the countries I know the political situation in, it does seem that the conservative factions care more about direct effects on economy, while the left is more willing to let environment prevail, especially short term.

 

USA, UK, Germany, Netherlands, France, all those countries that is applicable.

Edited September 21, 20196 yr by stevenl

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Looking at the countries I know the political situation in, it does seem that the conservative factions care more about direct effects on economy, while the left is more willing to let environment prevail, especially short term.

Maybe you're right, but for sure both economy and environment affect all of us.

Off-topic posts removed.   I think it is time to get back to the topic and stop with the personal commentary.  

 

9 hours ago, ricklev said:

"The last generation that was educated before the rot of socialism and progressive ideology had corrupted the system."  The system!  The uncorrupted system.  Interesting......

I meant education system, But in reality all of the institutions are now parroting the same tropes.

 

13 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Freighter travel these days. 

 

How about you?

 

https://www.langsamreisen.de/en/

Well, the last people traveling to Asia on a steamer I thought were Robert Mitchum and Clark Gable back in 50s adventure films. But I must admit that the travel link you provided looks, well, interesting. Enough to get the inner Talbot Mundy within me a bit excited at the prospect.

Using children to promote their communist/socialist agenda is child abuse. The leftists and media have young people scared to death. It's all a scam to gain control of people's lives. SCAM

1 hour ago, howbri said:

Using children to promote their communist/socialist agenda is child abuse. The leftists and media have young people scared to death. It's all a scam to gain control of people's lives. SCAM

Oh boy lol

On 9/21/2019 at 5:54 AM, faraday said:

Sounds like she's an opinionated spoilt brat.

Greta Thunberg's opinions are not her own.

 

She is simply reading out words given to her by an array of experienced climate activists pushing a political agenda.

 

They are betting that our current culture is so dumbed down and deranged that it is ripe for being led around by a ring through its nose by a 16-year-old in pigtails.

 

It's beginning to look as if they are right, heaven help us.

23 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

Greta Thunberg's opinions are not her own.

 

She is simply reading out words given to her by an array of experienced climate activists pushing a political agenda.

 

They are betting that our current culture is so dumbed down and deranged that it is ripe for being led around by a ring through its nose by a 16-year-old in pigtails.

 

It's beginning to look as if they are right, heaven help us.

It seems that we are at a crossroads, and any way we choose to go, we are doomed.

Edited September 22, 20196 yr by mauGR1

Just now, RickBradford said:

Greta Thunberg's opinions are not her own.

 

She is simply reading out words given to her by an array of experienced climate activists pushing a political agenda.

 

They are betting that our current culture is so dumbed down and deranged that it is ripe for being led around by a ring through its nose by a 16-year-old in pigtails.

 

It's beginning to look as if they are right, heaven help us.

Welcome to Dystopia. The ministry of plenty has provided you with your accommodations and rations. You are reminded to refrain from switching off the telescreen.

Good for her, so young, autistic but making a difference which is more than the old sacks of lard on their bar stools are doing.

34 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

Greta Thunberg's opinions are not her own.

 

She is simply reading out words given to her by an array of experienced climate activists pushing a political agenda.

 

They are betting that our current culture is so dumbed down and deranged that it is ripe for being led around by a ring through its nose by a 16-year-old in pigtails.

 

It's beginning to look as if they are right, heaven help us.

I would doubt what you were saying given all the evidence of how bright and focused that young woman is, but the contrary evidence you have cited in support of your assertion is remarkably convincing. And I'm guessing that when she answered question in her appearance at the US Congress that  had a receiver plugged into her ear and she was just repeating what she heard from one of her handlers.

1 minute ago, soalbundy said:

Good for her, so young, autistic but making a difference which is more than the old sacks of lard on their bar stools are doing.

She has surely made a difference for herself, but in the big picture of the world environment there is no difference at all.

I guess the "old sacks of lard on the bar stools" is your description of the posters who are commenting on this thread, that's not a very polite thing to say

42 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

Greta Thunberg's opinions are not her own.

 

She is simply reading out words given to her by an array of experienced climate activists pushing a political agenda.

 

They are betting that our current culture is so dumbed down and deranged that it is ripe for being led around by a ring through its nose by a 16-year-old in pigtails.

 

It's beginning to look as if they are right, heaven help us.

Funny, for me dumbed down would be believing a mythological refuge, such as heaven, is of more help than someone basing their vision on scientific fact.  

46 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

Greta Thunberg's opinions are not her own.

 

She is simply reading out words given to her by an array of experienced climate activists pushing a political agenda.

 

They are betting that our current culture is so dumbed down and deranged that it is ripe for being led around by a ring through its nose by a 16-year-old in pigtails.

 

It's beginning to look as if they are right, heaven help us.

Are you a bit peeved your submissions on climate change didnt carry enough weight to overturn the consensus of settled science by UN and Nasa so now taking out frustrations on a child.

3 minutes ago, zydeco said:

This sort of posturing is what is sickening. You people deliberately put someone out to advance a controversial position and then try to make her above criticism. Yes, the kid looks creepy. I'm unaware of any disease she has, because it's not my job in life to investigate her biography. You are simply a moral troll. You do it in one topic after another. And, yes, you're a bore and a boor.

You're the guy who likens her to an Addams family member, and I'm the boor?

And if by now you don't know that she has Aspergers, you must have been going out of your way to avoid reading about her. But somehow you know that "You people deliberately put someone out to advance a controversial position and then try to make her above criticism."

7 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

I would doubt what you were saying given all the evidence of how bright and focused that young woman is, but the contrary evidence you have cited in support of your assertion is remarkably convincing. And I'm guessing that when she answered question in her appearance at the US Congress that  had a receiver plugged into her ear and she was just repeating what she heard from one of her handlers.

It's not that amazing, The world has embraced a propaganda savant and declared her miraculous and inspiring. Lots of kids have incredible capacity for storing and repeating facts and history, or math skills, or are a virtuoso on a specific instrument. Greta has been told the world's in danger and she has a mono obsession with it.

I have an autistic kid, You can't change his mind on anything he thinks is true. Fortunately his obsession is the characters of video games which, although being useless, also won't force the agenda of human enslavement upon us either.

Just now, bristolboy said:

You're the guy who likens her to an Addams family member, and I'm the boor?

And if by now you don't know that she has Aspergers, you must have been going out of your way to avoid reading about her. But somehow you know that "You people deliberately put someone out to advance a controversial position and then try to make her above criticism."

Your responses in virtually every topic you participate in are boorish. No, I don't know about her Aspergers, because I don't pray to Saint Greta. Your position is that of a religion, not public policy.

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Funny, for me dumbed down would be believing a mythological refuge, such as heaven, is of more help than someone basing their vision on scientific fact.  

Basing one's vision on a "scientific fact" seems very rational, but only in theory.

It's also a scientific fact that big corporations are running the show, and they have the best scientists in their pockets.

I prefer to put my faith in mythological refuges, such as heaven, at least they don't stink too much.

Just now, canuckamuck said:

It's not that amazing, The world has embraced a propaganda savant and declared her miraculous and inspiring. Lots of kids have incredible capacity for storing and repeating facts and history, or math skills, or are a virtuoso on a specific instrument. Greta has been told the world's in danger and she has a mono obsession with it.

I have an autistic kid, You can't change his mind on anything he thinks is true. Fortunately his obsession is the characters of video games which, although being useless, also won't force the agenda of human enslavement upon us either.

First off, there is a wide spectrum on the autistic scale. Thunberg has Asperger's. And how do you know that Greta was told this information and passively accepted it? Did someone tell your child that there are video games out there and he has to play them?

8 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Basing one's vision on a "scientific fact" seems very rational, but only in theory.

It's also a scientific fact that big corporations are running the show, and they have the best scientists in their pockets.

I prefer to put my faith in mythological refuges, such as heaven, at least they don't stink too much.

I don’t share your belief that big corporations control the scientists alerting us all to the dangers of climate change or in the existence of mythological places of refuge, whether be Heaven, Valhalla or Xanadu. 

 

We have the opportunity to make the changes that need to be made to clean up the mess we have made of our planet.

 

We don’t need to rely on the old myths, just ourselves. 

Edited September 22, 20196 yr by Bluespunk

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I don’t share your belief that big corporations control the scientists alerting us all to the dangers of climate change or in the existence of mythological places of refuge, whether be Heaven, Valhalla or Xanadu. 

As for corporate control of scientists, the only evidence there is of that is Koch (and fellow traveler's) cash going to fund climate denialists.

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

I don’t share your belief that big corporations control the scientists alerting us all to the dangers of climate change or in the existence of mythological places of refuge, whether be Heaven, Valhalla or Xanadu. 

I would really like to share your faith in Greta, the environmentalists and the ethical principles of science.

Well, it's not about alerting us all, most people are alerted since decades.

It's about feasible solutions to the problem, and sorry, but given the size of the planet, and the political-economical situation, together with people expectations, i don't see any solution in the short term.

Perhaps Bob Marley was right when he sang "Total destruction, the only solution".

The scientists I hob-nob with laugh at this whole notion of "climate change" for the very simple reason that climate has ALWAYS been changing for 4 billion years.